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    wolfbinary
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    Maybe a law should be passed to not allow any of our trash to be shipped overseas. http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2010/08/04/magazine/20100815-dump.html[^] This isn't the first time I've seen an article written about the fake recycling that goes on via our industries.

    That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_

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      Maybe a law should be passed to not allow any of our trash to be shipped overseas. http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2010/08/04/magazine/20100815-dump.html[^] This isn't the first time I've seen an article written about the fake recycling that goes on via our industries.

      That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_

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      Chris Meech
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      It's not trash. It's a gift. :omg: :omg: And those industries probably get to write off the asset value as an expense, since they are giving it away. :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: In a bizarre way though, there is recycling happening. The copper, aluminum and other simple metals are recovered and sold (at least according to the article). Unfortunately there are a lot of other materials that should be recycled that are not. :(

      Chris Meech I am Canadian. [heard in a local bar] In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is. [Yogi Berra]

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        It's not trash. It's a gift. :omg: :omg: And those industries probably get to write off the asset value as an expense, since they are giving it away. :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: In a bizarre way though, there is recycling happening. The copper, aluminum and other simple metals are recovered and sold (at least according to the article). Unfortunately there are a lot of other materials that should be recycled that are not. :(

        Chris Meech I am Canadian. [heard in a local bar] In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is. [Yogi Berra]

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        wolfbinary
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        The pollution part of it is what I was getting at anyway.

        That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_

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          Maybe a law should be passed to not allow any of our trash to be shipped overseas. http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2010/08/04/magazine/20100815-dump.html[^] This isn't the first time I've seen an article written about the fake recycling that goes on via our industries.

          That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_

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          That law, if passed, would just move such pollution "here". "Here" being your backyard or close enough to it. Is that really what you want?

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            That law, if passed, would just move such pollution "here". "Here" being your backyard or close enough to it. Is that really what you want?

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            CaptainSeeSharp
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            He wants a global carbon tax so only the rich can afford electronics.

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              Maybe a law should be passed to not allow any of our trash to be shipped overseas. http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2010/08/04/magazine/20100815-dump.html[^] This isn't the first time I've seen an article written about the fake recycling that goes on via our industries.

              That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_

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              I've got a better idea, lets pass laws and spend billions of dollars on farting around with CO2 instead!

              Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription

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                Maybe a law should be passed to not allow any of our trash to be shipped overseas. http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2010/08/04/magazine/20100815-dump.html[^] This isn't the first time I've seen an article written about the fake recycling that goes on via our industries.

                That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_

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                R Giskard Reventlov
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                You're assigning blame in the wrong place: you need to be blaming the governments of the country that accepts the rubbish: if they were acting in the interests of their people they would refuse the rubbish or strike better deals that didn't cream off so much for bribery, etc. I'm assuming that bribery and corruption is involved or this wouldn't be happening.

                "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me

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                  You're assigning blame in the wrong place: you need to be blaming the governments of the country that accepts the rubbish: if they were acting in the interests of their people they would refuse the rubbish or strike better deals that didn't cream off so much for bribery, etc. I'm assuming that bribery and corruption is involved or this wouldn't be happening.

                  "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me

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                  Yeah, after all the west has no duty whatsoever to ensure that any contracts it engages is come up to European standards in terms of labour conditions, toxicity, pollution, and so on. Other wise me might be accused of selective morality.

                  Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription

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                    Yeah, after all the west has no duty whatsoever to ensure that any contracts it engages is come up to European standards in terms of labour conditions, toxicity, pollution, and so on. Other wise me might be accused of selective morality.

                    Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription

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                    R Giskard Reventlov
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                    You're confused (:-)) - morality and business do not mix: it is up to governments to look after the interests of their people: business is there to do whatever it can to make money.

                    "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me

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                      You're confused (:-)) - morality and business do not mix: it is up to governments to look after the interests of their people: business is there to do whatever it can to make money.

                      "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me

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                      Yep, when it comes to cash, fuck everyone!

                      Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription

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                        Maybe a law should be passed to not allow any of our trash to be shipped overseas. http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2010/08/04/magazine/20100815-dump.html[^] This isn't the first time I've seen an article written about the fake recycling that goes on via our industries.

                        That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_

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                        Corporal Agarn
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                        We need to go back to the stone age where there is no energy needed other than the fire to heat with. We could all be vegetarians and not need to cook. By the way laws that are designed to make a company do something will always cost the consumer. Tax a company and the consumer pays not the company. It would be nice if we could only make products that are recyclable. If we could come up with a "renewable" power source. (Hey, even the sun is dying.)

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                          Yep, when it comes to cash, fuck everyone!

                          Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription

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                          Well you can't eat your morals.. although it would probably be healthy, they contain a lot of fiber :)

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                            Yep, when it comes to cash, fuck everyone!

                            Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription

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                            You can eat your money, it contains a lot of fiber as well :)

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                              I've got a better idea, lets pass laws and spend billions of dollars on farting around with CO2 instead!

                              Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription

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                              That's a greenhouse gas as well.

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                                That's a greenhouse gas as well.

                                Join the cool kids - Come fold with us[^]

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                                Trollslayer wrote:

                                That's a greenhouse gas as well.

                                Where have you been the last 5 years?

                                Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription

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                                  That law, if passed, would just move such pollution "here". "Here" being your backyard or close enough to it. Is that really what you want?

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                                  Yes. We have safe ways of dealing with it and have, but seem to be unwilling to accept our own lifestyle has a price to it. Waste management has been doing this kind of recycling for years now and has no problem dealing with all of it. Passing pollution to other countries doesn't change the problem or solve our consumption issues. One person's way of life isn't any less valuable than another's. Trashing someone else's backyard and then wondering why they hate us is like shitting on the kitchen table and then asking what's for dinner. :doh: Both of which are incredibly short-sided.

                                  That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_

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                                    You're assigning blame in the wrong place: you need to be blaming the governments of the country that accepts the rubbish: if they were acting in the interests of their people they would refuse the rubbish or strike better deals that didn't cream off so much for bribery, etc. I'm assuming that bribery and corruption is involved or this wouldn't be happening.

                                    "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me

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                                    wolfbinary
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                                    These countries have exactly the kind of problems you speak of, but in short we're sending valuable minerals and resources to other countries that would be better served here. In the city I live in they don't recycle glass, but used to. Why don't they anymore, because they changed contractors and they're supposedly cheaper, except they do less work and are more incompetent. This isn't too surprising. Societies and people should be able to clean up after themselves instead of passing the buck to someone else, but since it's easier and lazier not to we don't. Do you think that the world can sustain a western style lifestyle for everyone using the current ways of consumption?

                                    That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_

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                                      Yes. We have safe ways of dealing with it and have, but seem to be unwilling to accept our own lifestyle has a price to it. Waste management has been doing this kind of recycling for years now and has no problem dealing with all of it. Passing pollution to other countries doesn't change the problem or solve our consumption issues. One person's way of life isn't any less valuable than another's. Trashing someone else's backyard and then wondering why they hate us is like shitting on the kitchen table and then asking what's for dinner. :doh: Both of which are incredibly short-sided.

                                      That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_

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                                      wolfbinary wrote:

                                      One person's way of life isn't any less valuable than another's.

                                      I have to disagree with that.. In (your) theory that might be so, but in practice it certainly isn't, and "in practice" is what matters because it is reality. Also, if they hate it so much, they should do something about it.

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                                        We need to go back to the stone age where there is no energy needed other than the fire to heat with. We could all be vegetarians and not need to cook. By the way laws that are designed to make a company do something will always cost the consumer. Tax a company and the consumer pays not the company. It would be nice if we could only make products that are recyclable. If we could come up with a "renewable" power source. (Hey, even the sun is dying.)

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                                        djj55 wrote:

                                        We need to go back to the stone age where there is no energy needed other than the fire to heat with. We could all be vegetarians and not need to cook.

                                        false, unhelpful to any conversation to attack the author and not discuss the subject. Common back here.

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                                        By the way laws that are designed to make a company do something will always cost the consumer. Tax a company and the consumer pays not the company.

                                        The price of something doesn't just come in dollars and cents and consumers should pay for the entire life cycle of what they buy.

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                                        It would be nice if we could only make products that are recyclable.

                                        Everything is recyclable or nearly with the technology I've seen Waste Management use to take apart things. Naturalistic fallacy.

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                                        If we could come up with a "renewable" power source. (Hey, even the sun is dying.)

                                        We can, we won't, unless money drives it.

                                        That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_

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                                          wolfbinary wrote:

                                          One person's way of life isn't any less valuable than another's.

                                          I have to disagree with that.. In (your) theory that might be so, but in practice it certainly isn't, and "in practice" is what matters because it is reality. Also, if they hate it so much, they should do something about it.

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                                          They do by blowing up buildings with planes, piracy and terrorism. Our response to them of course is to send our military over there some other violent act. When I say way of life I'm talking about standard of living, not things like freedom of speech, etc. I understand what's being practiced and what I'm saying is the practice is bad. Thinking that your way of life is more important than another's is arrogant. This is why people in other countries call us arrogant. We're telling them "We're worth more than you."

                                          That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_

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