Electronics recycling in the 3rd world
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You're confused (:-)) - morality and business do not mix: it is up to governments to look after the interests of their people: business is there to do whatever it can to make money.
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digital man wrote:
You're confused (Smile ) - morality and business do not mix: it is up to governments to look after the interests of their people:
I'm fully aware of what business does to both it's workforce, the environment, and anyone else I left out as a category. But since a business is considered a person under law you get a contradiction of government looking after the interests of business and every day people or rather mostly the former.
digital man wrote:
business is there to do whatever it can to make money.
Isn't that inherently a form of "survival of the fittest"?
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
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They do by blowing up buildings with planes, piracy and terrorism. Our response to them of course is to send our military over there some other violent act. When I say way of life I'm talking about standard of living, not things like freedom of speech, etc. I understand what's being practiced and what I'm saying is the practice is bad. Thinking that your way of life is more important than another's is arrogant. This is why people in other countries call us arrogant. We're telling them "We're worth more than you."
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
It's actually different countries and for different reasons that do that.. the 3rd world isn't just 1 place :)
wolfbinary wrote:
We're telling them "We're worth more than you."
Well aren't we? In practice anyway? Sure, it's arrogant.. but it's also the truth. Like I said, they should do something about it. India is a good example of a country that is doing something about it, but they still have a long way to go. Ghana isn't doing shït about its shït, unless becoming a giant landfill is a clever plot to first gain some of our money and later ask for our 'sympathy' (i.e. more money)
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digital man wrote:
You're confused (Smile ) - morality and business do not mix: it is up to governments to look after the interests of their people:
I'm fully aware of what business does to both it's workforce, the environment, and anyone else I left out as a category. But since a business is considered a person under law you get a contradiction of government looking after the interests of business and every day people or rather mostly the former.
digital man wrote:
business is there to do whatever it can to make money.
Isn't that inherently a form of "survival of the fittest"?
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
wolfbinary wrote:
But since a business is considered a person under law you get a contradiction of government looking after the interests of business and every day people or rather mostly the former.
Yes, it's funny how flesh and blood citizens are expected to uphold certain standards of good citizenship and it's perfectly natural for the government to pass laws to enforce some of it. However, the corporate citizens are only expected to service the greed of their owners. Corporations, in democracies anyhow, exist at the sufferance of the citizens. At least that's how I'm going to interpret the US Constitution with the Of the people, by the people, and for the people statement in the preamble. There's absolutely no mention of corporations in the Consitution of the US so they exist by other laws that have been passed by duly elected officials. Presumably, the flesh and blood citizens should expect something in return for granting corporations the right to exist and profit. What we usually get is a few fat cats getting filthy rich, exploitation of the workers, rape of the environment, and finally offshoring of the jobs AND the profits so they don't even contribute taxes. Tell me again how this free market thing polices itself. :laugh:
Once you agree to clans, tribes, governments...you've opted for socialism. The rest is just details.
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wolfbinary wrote:
But since a business is considered a person under law you get a contradiction of government looking after the interests of business and every day people or rather mostly the former.
Yes, it's funny how flesh and blood citizens are expected to uphold certain standards of good citizenship and it's perfectly natural for the government to pass laws to enforce some of it. However, the corporate citizens are only expected to service the greed of their owners. Corporations, in democracies anyhow, exist at the sufferance of the citizens. At least that's how I'm going to interpret the US Constitution with the Of the people, by the people, and for the people statement in the preamble. There's absolutely no mention of corporations in the Consitution of the US so they exist by other laws that have been passed by duly elected officials. Presumably, the flesh and blood citizens should expect something in return for granting corporations the right to exist and profit. What we usually get is a few fat cats getting filthy rich, exploitation of the workers, rape of the environment, and finally offshoring of the jobs AND the profits so they don't even contribute taxes. Tell me again how this free market thing polices itself. :laugh:
Once you agree to clans, tribes, governments...you've opted for socialism. The rest is just details.
Tim Craig wrote:
There's absolutely no mention of corporations in the Consitution of the US so they exist by other laws that have been passed by duly elected officials.
I'm pulling this from a typically inaccurate hole, but I believe corporate personhood was defined through a supreme court case rather than legislation.
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Tim Craig wrote:
There's absolutely no mention of corporations in the Consitution of the US so they exist by other laws that have been passed by duly elected officials.
I'm pulling this from a typically inaccurate hole, but I believe corporate personhood was defined through a supreme court case rather than legislation.
Well, my remembrance was that corporations in the US incorporate in a particular state and this article[^] agrees with that. Delaware leads the way with low fees and easy compliance. Ok, it's Wikipedia but since this isn't a politically or religiously charged topic, they're probably not that far off the mark. It talks about a history of legislation dealing with incorporation of busnesses. Of course, business incorporation long predates the US as a country. Are you thinking of the recent Supreme Court decision making it perfectly legal for corporations to use their ill gotten gains to buy more elected officials by making unlimited contributions to their campaigns for office? :mad:
Once you agree to clans, tribes, governments...you've opted for socialism. The rest is just details.
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Maybe a law should be passed to not allow any of our trash to be shipped overseas. http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2010/08/04/magazine/20100815-dump.html[^] This isn't the first time I've seen an article written about the fake recycling that goes on via our industries.
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
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Well, my remembrance was that corporations in the US incorporate in a particular state and this article[^] agrees with that. Delaware leads the way with low fees and easy compliance. Ok, it's Wikipedia but since this isn't a politically or religiously charged topic, they're probably not that far off the mark. It talks about a history of legislation dealing with incorporation of busnesses. Of course, business incorporation long predates the US as a country. Are you thinking of the recent Supreme Court decision making it perfectly legal for corporations to use their ill gotten gains to buy more elected officials by making unlimited contributions to their campaigns for office? :mad:
Once you agree to clans, tribes, governments...you've opted for socialism. The rest is just details.
Tim Craig wrote:
Are you thinking of the recent Supreme Court decision making it perfectly legal for corporations to use their ill gotten gains to buy more elected officials by making unlimited contributions to their campaigns for office?
Well, the ability to incorporate is definitely defined through legislation, but I was mostly referring to considering a corporate entity an actual human being(which strikes me as throughly asinine, just make it the damn legal shelter it really is and stop giving it rights that only the humans as part of it should have). Which focuses mostly on the rights of a corporation. Another wiki link[^]
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Tim Craig wrote:
Are you thinking of the recent Supreme Court decision making it perfectly legal for corporations to use their ill gotten gains to buy more elected officials by making unlimited contributions to their campaigns for office?
Well, the ability to incorporate is definitely defined through legislation, but I was mostly referring to considering a corporate entity an actual human being(which strikes me as throughly asinine, just make it the damn legal shelter it really is and stop giving it rights that only the humans as part of it should have). Which focuses mostly on the rights of a corporation. Another wiki link[^]
Interesting link. I agree that the personhood rights of corporations should be curtailed considerably from what they currently are. If it was true, why not let them vote in elections, too? X| It should be easier to bring meaningful criminal prosecutions against the officers and board of directors since ultimately some person is giving direction. Make a few examples and things would probably improve quickly. No more hiring ex erotic film stars as marketing consultants. :laugh:
Once you agree to clans, tribes, governments...you've opted for socialism. The rest is just details.