The Government's New Right to Track Your Every Move With GPS
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LunaticFringe wrote:
What's really surprising about that is that it was the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals, which in general has a reputation as being extremely liberal.
:confused: How is that surprising? It is being extremely liberal.
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We're apparently using different definitions of the word. I mean they have a rep for stepping on the government's toes when defending individual rights.
L u n a t i c F r i n g e
I think I can get the technicalities they're hinging this on though. They aren't entering your car, they aren't entering any private building, and unless you have a no trespassing sign it's rare to actually get someone on being in your driveway, even less likely on a street or parking lot. I also doubt any existing wire tapping law covers ground vehicles. So they're pretty much claiming the right to do so because no one has said they can't. Technically speaking we have a right against search and seizure, unless we get GPS tracking qualified under search they're pretty much just dropping something on your car and watching where it goes. Legally speaking I'm not sure they can't, as blatant of an abuse as it appears to be.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/08599201315000[^] Government agents can sneak onto your property in the middle of the night, put a GPS device on the bottom of your car and keep track of everywhere you go. This doesn't violate your Fourth Amendment rights, because you do not have any reasonable expectation of privacy in your own driveway - and no reasonable expectation that the government isn't tracking your movements. :mad::mad::mad: This just makes me so mad. I suspect things are going to become extremely nightmarish pretty soon. The government is pure evil, no doubt about it.
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Didn't all this tracking and invasion of your privacy, tapping your phone, etc etc started with this republican guy, what was his name... oh yeah, George W. Bush?? I think it was called the Patriot Act or something like that... this is what you wanted 8 or 9 years ago, this is what you have... so don't come here complaining about it, I'm pretty sure you were a big supporter of W during his presidency
I want to die like my grandfather- asleep, not like the passengers in his car, screaming!
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What's really surprising about that is that it was the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals, which in general has a reputation as being extremely liberal.
L u n a t i c F r i n g e
I thought "Chief Judge Alex Kozinski, who dissented from this month's decision refusing to reconsider the case, pointed out whose homes are not open to strangers: rich people's. The court's ruling, he said, means that people who protect their homes with electric gates, fences and security booths have a large protected zone of privacy around their homes. People who cannot afford such barriers have to put up with the government sneaking around at night." was very telling. A Reagan appointee apparently.
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/08599201315000[^] Government agents can sneak onto your property in the middle of the night, put a GPS device on the bottom of your car and keep track of everywhere you go. This doesn't violate your Fourth Amendment rights, because you do not have any reasonable expectation of privacy in your own driveway - and no reasonable expectation that the government isn't tracking your movements. :mad::mad::mad: This just makes me so mad. I suspect things are going to become extremely nightmarish pretty soon. The government is pure evil, no doubt about it.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
The government is pure evil, no doubt about it.
You are slightly mistaken here. Your government may be misguided, it might be making choices you don't agree with, but it is not evil. People who rationalise the murder of millions by industrialised genocide are evil.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. or "Drink. Get drunk. Fall over." - P O'H
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/08599201315000[^] Government agents can sneak onto your property in the middle of the night, put a GPS device on the bottom of your car and keep track of everywhere you go. This doesn't violate your Fourth Amendment rights, because you do not have any reasonable expectation of privacy in your own driveway - and no reasonable expectation that the government isn't tracking your movements. :mad::mad::mad: This just makes me so mad. I suspect things are going to become extremely nightmarish pretty soon. The government is pure evil, no doubt about it.
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I think it's about time that people stop blaming "the other side" of this issue and realize this is what governments do when the Constitution is no longer recognized. I'll be talking about this on the show. Damned straight.
Josh Davis
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I think I can get the technicalities they're hinging this on though. They aren't entering your car, they aren't entering any private building, and unless you have a no trespassing sign it's rare to actually get someone on being in your driveway, even less likely on a street or parking lot. I also doubt any existing wire tapping law covers ground vehicles. So they're pretty much claiming the right to do so because no one has said they can't. Technically speaking we have a right against search and seizure, unless we get GPS tracking qualified under search they're pretty much just dropping something on your car and watching where it goes. Legally speaking I'm not sure they can't, as blatant of an abuse as it appears to be.
Distind wrote:
unless you have a no trespassing sign it's rare to actually get someone on being in your driveway, even less likely on a street or parking lot.
The dissenting opinion addressed this pretty directly, and accuses the majority of being elitist jackoffs since they can all probably afford to live in gated communities where this couldn't happen, whereas the it's the average Joe whose rights are undermined. It's good stuff; I expect this isn't the last we'll hear on the issue.
L u n a t i c F r i n g e
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/08599201315000[^] Government agents can sneak onto your property in the middle of the night, put a GPS device on the bottom of your car and keep track of everywhere you go. This doesn't violate your Fourth Amendment rights, because you do not have any reasonable expectation of privacy in your own driveway - and no reasonable expectation that the government isn't tracking your movements. :mad::mad::mad: This just makes me so mad. I suspect things are going to become extremely nightmarish pretty soon. The government is pure evil, no doubt about it.
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Is anyone else surprised that CSS actually posted a legitimate news story without a ridiculous amount of anti-government spin, huge exaggerations, or--
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
The government is pure evil, no doubt about it.
Oh well... He came close. Good try, CSS. This is still a huge improvement over your usual InfoWars crap. This does look like a serious issue, and though it currently only affects eight states, sets a dangerous precedent for the rest. Only solution I see is to get the federal or state legislatures to draft a law to cover this scenario, and make sure that's brought under the umbrella of wiretapping (Or SOMETHING that would require a warrant). The only argument against that is that it's the same as having a police car "tail" you. The difference, though, is that this could be left on and monitored indefinitely for minimal cost, while a "tail" requires an actual use of manpower, so is only done when the police are actively building a case. So, start writing your congressman and senator, CSS... You actually have a valid argument this time. Just try not to curse at them... They tend to ignore that sort of drivel.
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liberal: not bound by authoritarianism, orthodoxy, or traditional forms. You are using "liberal" in the perverted way that "conservative", "left", "right", "socialist", "fascist", et al, are used in political discussions in the USA.
Bob Emmett "Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?" -Charles Babbage, Passages from the Life of a Philosopher
In other words, not bound by law and moral codes.
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Didn't all this tracking and invasion of your privacy, tapping your phone, etc etc started with this republican guy, what was his name... oh yeah, George W. Bush?? I think it was called the Patriot Act or something like that... this is what you wanted 8 or 9 years ago, this is what you have... so don't come here complaining about it, I'm pretty sure you were a big supporter of W during his presidency
I want to die like my grandfather- asleep, not like the passengers in his car, screaming!
I am absolutely against the patriot act, and Bush was Obama lite. You are an idiot, this isn't about who has a R or a D next to their name, its about liberty vs tyranny. Fucking moron. Obama renewed the patriot act, what do you think about that?
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Is anyone else surprised that CSS actually posted a legitimate news story without a ridiculous amount of anti-government spin, huge exaggerations, or--
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
The government is pure evil, no doubt about it.
Oh well... He came close. Good try, CSS. This is still a huge improvement over your usual InfoWars crap. This does look like a serious issue, and though it currently only affects eight states, sets a dangerous precedent for the rest. Only solution I see is to get the federal or state legislatures to draft a law to cover this scenario, and make sure that's brought under the umbrella of wiretapping (Or SOMETHING that would require a warrant). The only argument against that is that it's the same as having a police car "tail" you. The difference, though, is that this could be left on and monitored indefinitely for minimal cost, while a "tail" requires an actual use of manpower, so is only done when the police are actively building a case. So, start writing your congressman and senator, CSS... You actually have a valid argument this time. Just try not to curse at them... They tend to ignore that sort of drivel.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)It is a matter of property rights number one, and a matter of privacy number two.
Ian Shlasko wrote:
Just try not to curse at them... They tend to ignore that sort of drivel.
They ignore everything else too, including the law, most importantly the highest law of the land (the constitution).
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
The government is pure evil, no doubt about it.
You are slightly mistaken here. Your government may be misguided, it might be making choices you don't agree with, but it is not evil. People who rationalise the murder of millions by industrialised genocide are evil.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. or "Drink. Get drunk. Fall over." - P O'H
Perhaps you don't understand illegitimate power, and what it can do to people. The government is evil. It is a sickly kind of evil.
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It is a matter of property rights number one, and a matter of privacy number two.
Ian Shlasko wrote:
Just try not to curse at them... They tend to ignore that sort of drivel.
They ignore everything else too, including the law, most importantly the highest law of the land (the constitution).
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
They ignore everything else too, including the law, most importantly the highest law of the land (the constitution).
Now you're just changing the subject. Are you going to write your congressmen, or just complain on a forum that no politicians care about?
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
They ignore everything else too, including the law, most importantly the highest law of the land (the constitution).
Now you're just changing the subject. Are you going to write your congressmen, or just complain on a forum that no politicians care about?
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Ian Shlasko wrote:
Are you going to write your congressmen,
No, I'm going to vote his ass out.
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
Are you going to write your congressmen,
No, I'm going to vote his ass out.
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So you'll write the next guy? You know whoever comes after him will be pretty much the same... They all are. Like you said, The "D" and "R" are pretty much meaningless. A politician is a politician.
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I am absolutely against the patriot act, and Bush was Obama lite. You are an idiot, this isn't about who has a R or a D next to their name, its about liberty vs tyranny. Fucking moron. Obama renewed the patriot act, what do you think about that?
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Perhaps you don't understand illegitimate power, and what it can do to people. The government is evil. It is a sickly kind of evil.
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Come back when you've lived in a country with NO choices. Where the government is unelected. You have no idea what so ever what evil is. Go back to cooking socks.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. or "Drink. Get drunk. Fall over." - P O'H
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Come back when you've lived in a country with NO choices. Where the government is unelected. You have no idea what so ever what evil is. Go back to cooking socks.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. or "Drink. Get drunk. Fall over." - P O'H
Hell, it is not too far off in the future for America.
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Hell, it is not too far off in the future for America.
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In other words, not bound by law and moral codes.
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