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  • D Dan Neely

    Lloyd Atkinson wrote:

    harold aptroot wrote: I hope (and expect) someone will hack it. Me too!

    I don't. Allowing microcode modifications outside the factory is begging for a rootkit on the CPU itself (and thus below the level of any hypervisor/etc). If it can be modified by one 3rd party for an arguably harmless reason there's nothing preventing 3rd parties from being able to do it for malicious reasons. I'm dubious that it'll be possible, but a completely hackproof intel update mechanism is the only way we have to prevent the cpu's from getting rooted. The more I think about this, the more I'm convinced my initial reaction was wrong and it's a major blunder from a technological perspective.

    3x12=36 2x12=24 1x12=12 0x12=18

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    Lost User
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    If it gets hacked, Intel may be "forced" to stop this nonsense. And even if they don't, free upgrades for all.. It doesn't sound particularly hard to me to make this interface in a way that it does not let you do anything other than unlocking the extra power, but I'm not a hardware engineer.

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      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11379089[^] What kind of a half arsed idea is this?!:mad: I'm actually pretty annoyed, it means you would have to buy an upgrade for something it can already do! The money grabbing fools!:thumbsdown:


      The unofficial awesome history of Code Project's Bob! "People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid."

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      Intel and AMD both release chips that have functionally on the chip that is intentionally disabled so that they can have many different models for consumers to choose from and many price levels. They have been doing this for over 20 years. It's actually too costly to make more than a few steppings.

      John

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      • M Mladen Jankovic

        aspdotnetdev wrote:

        Until AMD adopts a similar model.

        Then comeback here, where you will be told to switch to ARM/SPARC/MIPS/PowerPC/Alpha/whatever.

        aspdotnetdev wrote:

        AMD might just pick up the idea

        At which point it becomes standard business practice, so you'll have following options: a) switch to another architecture b) start your own company that will manufacture processors c) leave the industry altogether

        [Genetic Algorithm Library] [Wowd]

        modified on Tuesday, September 21, 2010 1:56 PM

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        Mladen Jankovic wrote:

        Alpha

        Thank you! I actually have a MicroVAX on the way (I hope). It'll join my two Alphas. (Alphata? :confused: )

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        • A AspDotNetDev

          AND, when you buy 3GHz chip to upgrade a 2GHz, you are effectively repurchasing that 2GHz in addition to the extra 1GHz. This method reduces that waste by allowing the user to effectively only pay for the extra 1GHz.

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          Buuuut... Who knows what technological gains will be made after purchasing the crippled chip? You may wind up buying a new chip rather than upgrading the existing one anyway.

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            Buuuut... Who knows what technological gains will be made after purchasing the crippled chip? You may wind up buying a new chip rather than upgrading the existing one anyway.

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            Indeed. Though that problem already exists. However, I could see that driving up the base cost of chips, since some people will never upgrade.

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              Mladen Jankovic wrote:

              Alpha

              Thank you! I actually have a MicroVAX on the way (I hope). It'll join my two Alphas. (Alphata? :confused: )

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              Mladen Jankovic
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              Too bad they killed it, it was a real masterpiece and perfect response when somebody tries to drag you into lame Intel vs. AMD discussion.

              [Genetic Algorithm Library] [Wowd]

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              • M Mladen Jankovic

                Too bad they killed it, it was a real masterpiece and perfect response when somebody tries to drag you into lame Intel vs. AMD discussion.

                [Genetic Algorithm Library] [Wowd]

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                You mean "Intel vs. lame AMD" discussion. :cool:

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