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Who to blame for frequent PC crashes?

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  • S SimulationofSai

    Did you check for overheating? The most common culprit for freezes in high end machines, which are ventilated poorly is overheating. Install a mother board monitor and log the CPU, GPU, Chipset and mother board temperature when you do your usual work. As simple as dust clogging the ventilation shafts will cause the chips to shut down. Isn't it weird that the PC freezes when it overheats. :rolleyes:

    SG Aham Brahmasmi!

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    Vagif Abilov
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    "Isn't it weird that the PC freezes when it overheats." Hehe :) Thanks for the suggestion. Will check this out!

    Вагиф Абилов MCPD (Enterprise Application Development) Oslo, Norway If you're in a war, instead of throwing a hand grenade at the enemy, throw one of those small pumpkins. Maybe it'll make everyone think how stupid war is, and while they are thinking, you can throw a real grenade at them. Jack Handey.

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      Did you check for overheating? The most common culprit for freezes in high end machines, which are ventilated poorly is overheating. Install a mother board monitor and log the CPU, GPU, Chipset and mother board temperature when you do your usual work. As simple as dust clogging the ventilation shafts will cause the chips to shut down. Isn't it weird that the PC freezes when it overheats. :rolleyes:

      SG Aham Brahmasmi!

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      Vagif Abilov
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      Btw, can you recommend any mobo monitor that can log temperature?

      Вагиф Абилов MCPD (Enterprise Application Development) Oslo, Norway If you're in a war, instead of throwing a hand grenade at the enemy, throw one of those small pumpkins. Maybe it'll make everyone think how stupid war is, and while they are thinking, you can throw a real grenade at them. Jack Handey.

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      • V Vagif Abilov

        Btw, can you recommend any mobo monitor that can log temperature?

        Вагиф Абилов MCPD (Enterprise Application Development) Oslo, Norway If you're in a war, instead of throwing a hand grenade at the enemy, throw one of those small pumpkins. Maybe it'll make everyone think how stupid war is, and while they are thinking, you can throw a real grenade at them. Jack Handey.

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        SimulationofSai
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        CPUId[^] is a great tool, but I don't know if it can record stuff. I've used this http://majorgeeks.com/Motherboard_Monitor_d311.html[^] before, but that was a long time back.

        SG Aham Brahmasmi!

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        • S SimulationofSai

          CPUId[^] is a great tool, but I don't know if it can record stuff. I've used this http://majorgeeks.com/Motherboard_Monitor_d311.html[^] before, but that was a long time back.

          SG Aham Brahmasmi!

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          Vagif Abilov
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          Thanks!

          Вагиф Абилов MCPD (Enterprise Application Development) Oslo, Norway If you're in a war, instead of throwing a hand grenade at the enemy, throw one of those small pumpkins. Maybe it'll make everyone think how stupid war is, and while they are thinking, you can throw a real grenade at them. Jack Handey.

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          • V Vagif Abilov

            I recently bought a new notebook, and I chose for price and performance reasons Fujitsu Celsius H700. When equipped with SSD disk and 8 GB RAM it is really fast. I also liked it's modular bay concept, so I can hot-swap DVD (who needs DVD all the time?) with a second non-SSD hard disk. So everything is fine except one thing that is unfortunately quite serious. The system freezes fairly often, sometimes twice a day. I checked even log and found 29 critical events since 15.09 with the following content: "The system has rebooted without cleanly shutting down first. This error could be caused if the system stopped responding, crashed, or lost power unexpectedly." What happens has no connection with what I do. The whole thing stops, freezes completely. The only resolution is to reboot (luckily it reboots fast from SSD). And yes, I am using latest drivers and updated notebook's BIOS. I know in such situations it's quite difficult to find a guilty party because every vendor tends to blame the others. Notebook manufacturer may say it's a problem with 64-bit Win7 since this is what freezes, the shop where I bought it may say they don't know what I installed (and being a developer I installed a lot). I can even be blamed for using Intel SSD because Fujitsu has their own SSD as an option (that costs nearly double). And it's very difficult to figure out how this can be resolved since there is no obvious source of the problem. I tried to google for similar problems with the same notebook brand, but didn't find anything. This makes it even stranger. So if you have experience with how this kinds of problems can be approached, please let me know. I am also interested in what can be a typical cause of such strange behavior: bad memory? Buggy driver? Windows event log does not help, looks like the whole thing freezes without a chance to log anything. Thanks in advance.

            Вагиф Абилов MCPD (Enterprise Application Development) Oslo, Norway If you're in a war, instead of throwing a hand grenade at the enemy, throw one of those small pumpkins. Maybe it'll make everyone think how stupid war is, and while they are thinking, you can throw a real grenade at them. Jack Handey.

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            leppie
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            IIRC it is all to do with DPC latency. Google for that to get more info. I demanded a full refund for an Acer laptop I purchased. Never again!

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            • V Vagif Abilov

              I recently bought a new notebook, and I chose for price and performance reasons Fujitsu Celsius H700. When equipped with SSD disk and 8 GB RAM it is really fast. I also liked it's modular bay concept, so I can hot-swap DVD (who needs DVD all the time?) with a second non-SSD hard disk. So everything is fine except one thing that is unfortunately quite serious. The system freezes fairly often, sometimes twice a day. I checked even log and found 29 critical events since 15.09 with the following content: "The system has rebooted without cleanly shutting down first. This error could be caused if the system stopped responding, crashed, or lost power unexpectedly." What happens has no connection with what I do. The whole thing stops, freezes completely. The only resolution is to reboot (luckily it reboots fast from SSD). And yes, I am using latest drivers and updated notebook's BIOS. I know in such situations it's quite difficult to find a guilty party because every vendor tends to blame the others. Notebook manufacturer may say it's a problem with 64-bit Win7 since this is what freezes, the shop where I bought it may say they don't know what I installed (and being a developer I installed a lot). I can even be blamed for using Intel SSD because Fujitsu has their own SSD as an option (that costs nearly double). And it's very difficult to figure out how this can be resolved since there is no obvious source of the problem. I tried to google for similar problems with the same notebook brand, but didn't find anything. This makes it even stranger. So if you have experience with how this kinds of problems can be approached, please let me know. I am also interested in what can be a typical cause of such strange behavior: bad memory? Buggy driver? Windows event log does not help, looks like the whole thing freezes without a chance to log anything. Thanks in advance.

              Вагиф Абилов MCPD (Enterprise Application Development) Oslo, Norway If you're in a war, instead of throwing a hand grenade at the enemy, throw one of those small pumpkins. Maybe it'll make everyone think how stupid war is, and while they are thinking, you can throw a real grenade at them. Jack Handey.

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              Check out Who crashed[^], it'll tell you which driver was responsible for the BSOD (note needs to run as an admin). It's not guaranteed to help but can be useful. IF you've got a bunch of crashes and it's not giving anything particularly helpful post the log here. I've done enough overclocking to recognise the randomish errors that normally mean a faltering CPU/etc. Also use memtest 86[^] and prime95[^] to stresstest your ram and CPU. I'd recommend overnight for memtest and 24 hours on each of the three stresstesting modes in p95. Any errors in either mean a failing/overheating component.

              3x12=36 2x12=24 1x12=12 0x12=18

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                Check out Who crashed[^], it'll tell you which driver was responsible for the BSOD (note needs to run as an admin). It's not guaranteed to help but can be useful. IF you've got a bunch of crashes and it's not giving anything particularly helpful post the log here. I've done enough overclocking to recognise the randomish errors that normally mean a faltering CPU/etc. Also use memtest 86[^] and prime95[^] to stresstest your ram and CPU. I'd recommend overnight for memtest and 24 hours on each of the three stresstesting modes in p95. Any errors in either mean a failing/overheating component.

                3x12=36 2x12=24 1x12=12 0x12=18

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                Thanks a lot! I will inspect the machine using memtest and check WhoCrashed.

                Вагиф Абилов MCPD (Enterprise Application Development) Oslo, Norway If you're in a war, instead of throwing a hand grenade at the enemy, throw one of those small pumpkins. Maybe it'll make everyone think how stupid war is, and while they are thinking, you can throw a real grenade at them. Jack Handey.

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                • D Dan Neely

                  Check out Who crashed[^], it'll tell you which driver was responsible for the BSOD (note needs to run as an admin). It's not guaranteed to help but can be useful. IF you've got a bunch of crashes and it's not giving anything particularly helpful post the log here. I've done enough overclocking to recognise the randomish errors that normally mean a faltering CPU/etc. Also use memtest 86[^] and prime95[^] to stresstest your ram and CPU. I'd recommend overnight for memtest and 24 hours on each of the three stresstesting modes in p95. Any errors in either mean a failing/overheating component.

                  3x12=36 2x12=24 1x12=12 0x12=18

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                  • L leppie

                    IIRC it is all to do with DPC latency. Google for that to get more info. I demanded a full refund for an Acer laptop I purchased. Never again!

                    xacc.ide
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                    ((λ (x) `(,x ',x)) '(λ (x) `(,x ',x))) The Scheme Programming Language – Fourth Edition

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                    Thanks. I downloaded DPC latency checker. Will inspect the system.

                    Вагиф Абилов MCPD (Enterprise Application Development) Oslo, Norway If you're in a war, instead of throwing a hand grenade at the enemy, throw one of those small pumpkins. Maybe it'll make everyone think how stupid war is, and while they are thinking, you can throw a real grenade at them. Jack Handey.

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                    • S SimulationofSai

                      CPUId[^] is a great tool, but I don't know if it can record stuff. I've used this http://majorgeeks.com/Motherboard_Monitor_d311.html[^] before, but that was a long time back.

                      SG Aham Brahmasmi!

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                      Found CoreTemp. It logs the recordings and even has Windows 7 widget.

                      Вагиф Абилов MCPD (Enterprise Application Development) Oslo, Norway If you're in a war, instead of throwing a hand grenade at the enemy, throw one of those small pumpkins. Maybe it'll make everyone think how stupid war is, and while they are thinking, you can throw a real grenade at them. Jack Handey.

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