Tariq Aziz Sentenced to Death
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If by vindication you mean revenge, I don't recall revenge being promoted at Sunday services at my church.
Vengeance is mine sayeth the Lord. An Eye for an Eye. Give unto Caeser that which is Ceasers. And of course, as Jesus said, Slaves should obey their masters and should only be beaten if they were disobedient.
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If by vindication you mean revenge, I don't recall revenge being promoted at Sunday services at my church.
2 Kings 2:23-25. God sends two bears to rip apart 42 kids for taking the p*ss out of Elisha's bald head.
The Bible wrote:
2:23 And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head. 2:24 And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.
Having a brother who was a vicar helps!
Well, it helped me to find all the bits where his religion conflicts with itself.
Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together.
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2 Kings 2:23-25. God sends two bears to rip apart 42 kids for taking the p*ss out of Elisha's bald head.
The Bible wrote:
2:23 And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head. 2:24 And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.
Having a brother who was a vicar helps!
Well, it helped me to find all the bits where his religion conflicts with itself.
Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together.
OriginalGriff wrote:
Having a brother who was a vicar helps!
Why, does he kill bears with his bare hands!
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Vengeance is mine sayeth the Lord. An Eye for an Eye. Give unto Caeser that which is Ceasers. And of course, as Jesus said, Slaves should obey their masters and should only be beaten if they were disobedient.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
Vengeance is mine sayeth the Lord.
Where does this preach human revenge? My point was that I don't hear sermons encouraging me to take revenge at my church. This statement would seem to reinforce my point rather than weakening it. :)
Dalek Dave wrote:
An Eye for an Eye.
Turn the other cheek.
Dalek Dave wrote:
Give unto Caeser that which is Ceasers.
A statement indicating that people should obey the laws, specifically tax law in that quote.
Dalek Dave wrote:
Slaves should obey their masters and should only be beaten if they were disobedient.
Another statement of obedience to laws. All that said, pulling individual verses out of context to "prove" ones point is to enter into dangerous territory. I only did so with the "turn the other cheek" with tongue firmly planted in my cheek. I try to ignore the antireligious sentiment I sometimes see here but this morning I failed. I don't denounce people who don't follow Christ (doing so would be wrong) and am saddened when those people feel the need to denounce people like me who have a strong and abiding faith. Anyway, time to get back to work. God bless you and have a great day!
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OriginalGriff wrote:
Having a brother who was a vicar helps!
Why, does he kill bears with his bare hands!
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC League Table Link CCC Link[^]
It's the naked truth!
Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
Vengeance is mine sayeth the Lord.
Where does this preach human revenge? My point was that I don't hear sermons encouraging me to take revenge at my church. This statement would seem to reinforce my point rather than weakening it. :)
Dalek Dave wrote:
An Eye for an Eye.
Turn the other cheek.
Dalek Dave wrote:
Give unto Caeser that which is Ceasers.
A statement indicating that people should obey the laws, specifically tax law in that quote.
Dalek Dave wrote:
Slaves should obey their masters and should only be beaten if they were disobedient.
Another statement of obedience to laws. All that said, pulling individual verses out of context to "prove" ones point is to enter into dangerous territory. I only did so with the "turn the other cheek" with tongue firmly planted in my cheek. I try to ignore the antireligious sentiment I sometimes see here but this morning I failed. I don't denounce people who don't follow Christ (doing so would be wrong) and am saddened when those people feel the need to denounce people like me who have a strong and abiding faith. Anyway, time to get back to work. God bless you and have a great day!
I do not denounce the followers of any religious or spiritual teaching. Until, that is, they attempt to pass judgement on or create laws that will alter my life, life style, beliefs or customs for the sake of what they believe in.
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It's the naked truth!
Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together.
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I do not denounce the followers of any religious or spiritual teaching. Until, that is, they attempt to pass judgement on or create laws that will alter my life, life style, beliefs or customs for the sake of what they believe in.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC League Table Link CCC Link[^]
Believe it or not, I agree with this, at least up to the point where your choices hurt others. For example, I believe you -- well, maybe not you ;) -- should be allowed to drink alcohol (because any harm is to yourself) but that you shouldn't be allowed to drive drunk (because of the potential to kill someone else). Anyway, thanks for the discussion!
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If by vindication you mean revenge, I don't recall revenge being promoted at Sunday services at my church.
Marc A. Brown wrote:
If by vindication you mean revenge, I don't recall revenge being promoted at Sunday services at my church.
If I meant revenge, I would have used that word. I specifically used the word vindication because that is the term typically used by religions to "soften" the verbiage. BTW... What is the point of following your god if all you get out of it in life is persecution and hardship. People never do anything truly out of selflessness, especially the religious. The payoff is that god will punish the sinner eternally and the believer will live in glory eternally. It is pretty blatant that this is vindication by the religious definition, and revenge to the objective observer. BTW... I'm certainly not meaning this as a personal slight to your or your church's beliefs. I'm just venting on what has bothered me for many years of being the child of fundies.
I wasn't, now I am, then I won't be anymore.
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Marc A. Brown wrote:
If by vindication you mean revenge, I don't recall revenge being promoted at Sunday services at my church.
If I meant revenge, I would have used that word. I specifically used the word vindication because that is the term typically used by religions to "soften" the verbiage. BTW... What is the point of following your god if all you get out of it in life is persecution and hardship. People never do anything truly out of selflessness, especially the religious. The payoff is that god will punish the sinner eternally and the believer will live in glory eternally. It is pretty blatant that this is vindication by the religious definition, and revenge to the objective observer. BTW... I'm certainly not meaning this as a personal slight to your or your church's beliefs. I'm just venting on what has bothered me for many years of being the child of fundies.
I wasn't, now I am, then I won't be anymore.
PogoboyKramer wrote:
What is the point of following your god if all you get out of it in life is persecution and hardship.
In this life I (hopefully) get the pleasure of seeing others make their way to the same kind of relationship I have with my God. Even without this, my reward is waiting for me in heaven.
PogoboyKramer wrote:
People never do anything truly out of selflessness, especially the religious. The payoff is that god will punish the sinner eternally and the believer will live in glory eternally.
I respectfully disagree. I'll grant you that there are some people like this, but not all of us. I'd say (though I have nothing but my personal beliefs, my faith in people, and my personal experience to back it up) that the majority of Christians (and please don't throw the "Westboro wingnuts" at me, I -- and every Christian I know personally -- strongly repudiate what those misguided people are doing) want to see everyone "living in glory eternally." Anyway, God bless you and thanks for the conversation!
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Dalek Dave wrote:
Crucifiction
I'm very cross that you made that word up!
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Dalek Dave wrote:
Vengeance is mine sayeth the Lord.
Where does this preach human revenge? My point was that I don't hear sermons encouraging me to take revenge at my church. This statement would seem to reinforce my point rather than weakening it. :)
Dalek Dave wrote:
An Eye for an Eye.
Turn the other cheek.
Dalek Dave wrote:
Give unto Caeser that which is Ceasers.
A statement indicating that people should obey the laws, specifically tax law in that quote.
Dalek Dave wrote:
Slaves should obey their masters and should only be beaten if they were disobedient.
Another statement of obedience to laws. All that said, pulling individual verses out of context to "prove" ones point is to enter into dangerous territory. I only did so with the "turn the other cheek" with tongue firmly planted in my cheek. I try to ignore the antireligious sentiment I sometimes see here but this morning I failed. I don't denounce people who don't follow Christ (doing so would be wrong) and am saddened when those people feel the need to denounce people like me who have a strong and abiding faith. Anyway, time to get back to work. God bless you and have a great day!
I don't see how this entire conversation ended up in religion. Aziz was convited of crimes that deserve death. This has nothing at all to do with religion.
Everything makes sense in someone's mind
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Sure his is. That's an insult to Christ
Everything makes sense in someone's mind
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Sure his is. That's an insult to Christ
Everything makes sense in someone's mind
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Because to say someone is a Christian means that he/she is like Christ, and Tariq Aziz is most certainly NOT like Christ.
Everything makes sense in someone's mind
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I don't see how this entire conversation ended up in religion. Aziz was convited of crimes that deserve death. This has nothing at all to do with religion.
Everything makes sense in someone's mind
Only because a death penalty or any punitive punishment is based on revenge and/or vindication based on your personal definition of the words... and that always seems to end up in religion. :sigh: Sorry, BTW... I know it was me... :sigh:
I wasn't, now I am, then I won't be anymore.
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Only because a death penalty or any punitive punishment is based on revenge and/or vindication based on your personal definition of the words... and that always seems to end up in religion. :sigh: Sorry, BTW... I know it was me... :sigh:
I wasn't, now I am, then I won't be anymore.
PogoboyKramer wrote:
Sorry, BTW
Why apologize? Look around, most conversations in the Lounge wind up hijacked by something or other! :-D And I thought ours was a very respectful conversation even if we don't necessarily agree with one another. Respectful disagreement seems to be a lost art these days, which is a real shame because real issues get lost in shrill, hateful rhetoric. Again, great chatting with you!
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Personally, I think there's been enough killing, and killing one more guy won't help anything.
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Because to say someone is a Christian means that he/she is like Christ, and Tariq Aziz is most certainly NOT like Christ.
Everything makes sense in someone's mind
Kevin Marois wrote:
like Christ
Jewish Does miracles Talks in parables Utters conflicting statements Not met many like that (except for the last one and a few of the first) :-D
Regards David R --------------------------------------------------------------- "Every program eventually becomes rococo, and then rubble." - Alan Perlis The only valid measurement of code quality: WTFs/minute.
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2 Kings 2:23-25. God sends two bears to rip apart 42 kids for taking the p*ss out of Elisha's bald head.
The Bible wrote:
2:23 And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head. 2:24 And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.
Having a brother who was a vicar helps!
Well, it helped me to find all the bits where his religion conflicts with itself.
Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together.
It doesn't say there that it was God who sent the bears to kill the children - Elisha did. God did empower Elisha - whatever he spoke happened. But God didn't always get to have a say in what he did with that power. It's like me blaming the power company because I electrocuted myself by sticking my finger into a power socket or something. We get further evidence of this in the new testament in Luke 9:54-56 when James and John suggested to Jesus that they call fire down from heaven to consume the Samaritans because they did not receive Jesus and Jesus rebuked them (i.e. James and John) saying, "Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of. For the Son of man is not come to destroy lives but to save them". I think this makes God's stand on the issue pretty clear. Elisha was just irresponsible with his power and couldn't rein in his emotions.
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