Words fail me...
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"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
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fat_boy wrote:
go reread your history.
How will that help exactly? Depending on your selected text of choice you could probably support almost any mad theory at all. Furthermore, given that every reader and their subjective perspective affects the information inferred and/or learned from any written material as much as that of the writer, the idea that simply 're-reading' about a subject without some qualitative and quantitative understanding of the position of the author is going to immediately provide an enlightened and altered understanding of it is at best naive and at worst puerile, bordering on infantile. Yes, I'm tired, don't seem to have slept very well, its bloody cold this morning and I'm fed up waiting for the Business to actually get on with the testing that is now holding me up and preventing me doing almost anything useful. ...and relax...
Rhys "With no power comes no responsibility"
Start here: 1860, Opium war. What a glorious example of British benevolence!
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
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Nah, he's just just woken up and is writing that from his bed
Rhys "With no power comes no responsibility"
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Freedom! Surely you mean ecconomic interests? When was the last time the UK fought a war that wasnt solely for ecconomic gain?
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
fat_boy wrote:
When was the last time the UK fought a war that wasnt solely for ecconomic gain?
Yeah, like the huge financial gain of WWII, where no war reparations were placed on Germany, and we were paying off the Lend-Lease program to the USA until 29th December 2006. We all got fat out of that one. Then there was the Falklands conflict. I mean, if you had a little place in the country where some of your kids lived, and the local farmer sent some thugs in with shot guns, wouldn't you send in your thugs in to sort them? While the 1991 Gulf War could be said to be about self interest, have you ever thought what would happen after Kuwait, when Saddam Hussein marched South and took over the Easterm province of Saudi Arabia? Believe me - he would have done it - I met the man, and there was sod all stopping him from doing it. The thought Saddam Hussein controlling three quarters of Arabian Gulf oil is not something worth contemplating for long. I think I should change my user name to BigBillyGoatGruff. :suss:
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fat_boy wrote:
When was the last time the UK fought a war that wasnt solely for ecconomic gain?
Yeah, like the huge financial gain of WWII, where no war reparations were placed on Germany, and we were paying off the Lend-Lease program to the USA until 29th December 2006. We all got fat out of that one. Then there was the Falklands conflict. I mean, if you had a little place in the country where some of your kids lived, and the local farmer sent some thugs in with shot guns, wouldn't you send in your thugs in to sort them? While the 1991 Gulf War could be said to be about self interest, have you ever thought what would happen after Kuwait, when Saddam Hussein marched South and took over the Easterm province of Saudi Arabia? Believe me - he would have done it - I met the man, and there was sod all stopping him from doing it. The thought Saddam Hussein controlling three quarters of Arabian Gulf oil is not something worth contemplating for long. I think I should change my user name to BigBillyGoatGruff. :suss:
Where did I say Britain actually benefitied from war? I said it entered wars for ecconomic reasons. The fact its judgement is consistently wrong is somehting they should have learmn by now but it seems each leader is determined to strut the world in his or her fashion.
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
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Where did I say Britain actually benefitied from war? I said it entered wars for ecconomic reasons. The fact its judgement is consistently wrong is somehting they should have learmn by now but it seems each leader is determined to strut the world in his or her fashion.
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
fat_boy wrote:
but it seems each leader is determined to strut the world in his or her fashion.
Ah - now you must be talking about what I call a 'vanity war', like GWII. Daddy Bush got Baby Bush into the White House because Saddam was still running Iraq when Daddy Bush lost the election. Blair joined in to suck some american d make himself a famous war leader. :suss:
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Start here: 1860, Opium war. What a glorious example of British benevolence!
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
and by your argument please provide a list of wars that wernt (regardless of who was involved) and out of my list Korea - by mandate of the UN Suez - to reclaim private property WW1/2, Falkands to counter agression Northern Ireland - I doubt anybody this century belived that on a ecomonic basis this was a war worth fighting. on the other hand you have 1, the opium wars 2, Boar war 3, rhodesia 4, Ameican war of independence 5, American civil war 6 WW1/2 (from the German/Japanese POV) 7, virtually every war of independance 8, Napolionic etc etc to show that war for economic gain is hardly a just British thing
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start
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Northern Ireland? Falklands? Korea? Cyprus? WW1 & 2? Suez(financial but to retain not gain) And can you please provide evidence that the UK has gained ANY financial gain from either Iraq or Afganistan? as far as I can see it has so far cost a damn site more money that any return.
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start
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Freedom! Surely you mean ecconomic interests? When was the last time the UK fought a war that wasnt solely for ecconomic gain?
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
fat_boy wrote:
Surely you mean ecconomic interests?
Surely this goes for most countries and most wars. I believe the poppies were created to remember those who fought in WWI and later to remember all soldiers who lost their lives so that our way of life could be protected. I don't think it matters even a little bit to the soldiers who died, or to their families, what the war was about. At the end of the day it is simply an incredibly pathetic display for anyone to insult these soldiers by burning the poppies and the muslim community should come out and chastise any of their groups that would support this. And yes, I felt the same way about the idiot in the states who wanted to burn the Qur'an as well.
I wasn't, now I am, then I won't be anymore.
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You are a cop-killer supporter.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
You are a cop-killer supporter.
I'd love to know the 'thought process' that led to that conclusion.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. or "Drink. Get drunk. Fall over." - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre
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fat_boy wrote:
but it seems each leader is determined to strut the world in his or her fashion.
Ah - now you must be talking about what I call a 'vanity war', like GWII. Daddy Bush got Baby Bush into the White House because Saddam was still running Iraq when Daddy Bush lost the election. Blair joined in to suck some american d make himself a famous war leader. :suss:
Ah, like when Dubya sat in the back of a F-14 when it landed on carrier. Now what did he do in the National Air Guard? Oh yes, deserted from a nice cushy US based role playing with F-14s. Twice. And daddy had it covered up. Then called himself a 'war president' because it sounded cool.
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fat_boy wrote:
Surely you mean ecconomic interests?
Surely this goes for most countries and most wars. I believe the poppies were created to remember those who fought in WWI and later to remember all soldiers who lost their lives so that our way of life could be protected. I don't think it matters even a little bit to the soldiers who died, or to their families, what the war was about. At the end of the day it is simply an incredibly pathetic display for anyone to insult these soldiers by burning the poppies and the muslim community should come out and chastise any of their groups that would support this. And yes, I felt the same way about the idiot in the states who wanted to burn the Qur'an as well.
I wasn't, now I am, then I won't be anymore.
PogoboyKramer wrote:
I don't think it matters even a little bit to the soldiers who died, or to their families, what the war was about.
I recall a story about a celebration held in Luton to mark the end of WW1. The invitees numbered local business men and other big wigs. Not one soldier was invited. Dont you think those who died might have wanted to know they died just so those fat cats could keep their business running profitaby?
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
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PogoboyKramer wrote:
I don't think it matters even a little bit to the soldiers who died, or to their families, what the war was about.
I recall a story about a celebration held in Luton to mark the end of WW1. The invitees numbered local business men and other big wigs. Not one soldier was invited. Dont you think those who died might have wanted to know they died just so those fat cats could keep their business running profitaby?
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
That is hardly news Tommy Atkins[^] How ever It may be worth pointing out that those same Fat Cats lost a higher proportion of thier sons than did the populas.
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
You are a cop-killer supporter.
I'd love to know the 'thought process' that led to that conclusion.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. or "Drink. Get drunk. Fall over." - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre
He has no thought process which is why I never bother to respond to his meaningless drivel.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
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That is hardly news Tommy Atkins[^] How ever It may be worth pointing out that those same Fat Cats lost a higher proportion of thier sons than did the populas.
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start
I am sure they couldnt avert the idealism of youth. It always seemed a shame, that this war removed the very nobelest of society, and left the greedy, the weak, the scared.
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
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PogoboyKramer wrote:
I don't think it matters even a little bit to the soldiers who died, or to their families, what the war was about.
I recall a story about a celebration held in Luton to mark the end of WW1. The invitees numbered local business men and other big wigs. Not one soldier was invited. Dont you think those who died might have wanted to know they died just so those fat cats could keep their business running profitaby?
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
But who do YOU remember. Myself, I remember the soldiers. I don't take part in celebrations and such like you mention, and I think the average person needs to remembers that without the soldiers, we wouldn't have lives resembling anything like the ones we have.
I wasn't, now I am, then I won't be anymore.
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PogoboyKramer wrote:
I don't think it matters even a little bit to the soldiers who died, or to their families, what the war was about.
I recall a story about a celebration held in Luton to mark the end of WW1. The invitees numbered local business men and other big wigs. Not one soldier was invited. Dont you think those who died might have wanted to know they died just so those fat cats could keep their business running profitaby?
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
fat_boy wrote:
I recall a story about a celebration held in Luton to mark the end of WW1. The invitees numbered local business men and other big wigs. Not one soldier was invited.
If I throw someone a birthday party, I'm not morally obligated to invite everyone in the country who shares that birthday. If teachers get together for drinks to celebrate the end of a school year, they're not obliged to invite the students that graduated. Now if this was a public celebration organized by the local government and funded with taxpayer dollars (Well, pounds), then you have a point.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
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fat_boy wrote:
I recall a story about a celebration held in Luton to mark the end of WW1. The invitees numbered local business men and other big wigs. Not one soldier was invited.
If I throw someone a birthday party, I'm not morally obligated to invite everyone in the country who shares that birthday. If teachers get together for drinks to celebrate the end of a school year, they're not obliged to invite the students that graduated. Now if this was a public celebration organized by the local government and funded with taxpayer dollars (Well, pounds), then you have a point.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Wow, such an...inteligent response.
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
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But who do YOU remember. Myself, I remember the soldiers. I don't take part in celebrations and such like you mention, and I think the average person needs to remembers that without the soldiers, we wouldn't have lives resembling anything like the ones we have.
I wasn't, now I am, then I won't be anymore.
I feel sorry for them being duped.
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
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I am sure they couldnt avert the idealism of youth. It always seemed a shame, that this war removed the very nobelest of society, and left the greedy, the weak, the scared.
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville