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  • L Lost User

    There's an article in the Times about slaughtering your own Thanksgiving turkey[^]. It addresses the issue of our disassociation from the realities of our food. Don't get me wrong - I eat meat and I have in the past hunted and eaten what I killed. I'm no vegan. That's why I liked this article. I've always thought people who eat meat but rip on hunters were the ultimate hypocrites. I think more people should have a hands-on experience with harvesting their own food; it cuts out a lot of pretentious BS and forces people to have a much more genuine appreciation of life in general. So have any of you ever killed your own Thanksgiving bird?

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    Keith Barrow
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    LunaticFringe wrote:

    So have any of you ever killed your own Thanksgiving bird?

    I've never killed a Christmas Turkey (the closest we'd get in the UK). I have killed and eaten fish of various kinds, and gutted a duck someone shot and gave to me. Where I'm living now it's common to chose a live chicken which they slaughter and clean for you. You also see butchers out in the sticks with [live] sheep parked outside, while one of their erstwhile flockmates are being skinned, having just been slaughted. This is one of the few ways of ensuring the meat remains fresh where the power supply for the fridges isn't reliable and daytime is at ideal bacteria growing temperature. We've just passed Eid here when sheep are slaughtered and distributed to the poor as a form of charity. There were markets all over where you could buy sheep and they'd slaughter them for you, you just had to take away the carcass ( the whole carcass, skin'n'all). Not for the squeemish, but it is the reality of where meat comes from.

    Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]

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    • L Lost User

      There's an article in the Times about slaughtering your own Thanksgiving turkey[^]. It addresses the issue of our disassociation from the realities of our food. Don't get me wrong - I eat meat and I have in the past hunted and eaten what I killed. I'm no vegan. That's why I liked this article. I've always thought people who eat meat but rip on hunters were the ultimate hypocrites. I think more people should have a hands-on experience with harvesting their own food; it cuts out a lot of pretentious BS and forces people to have a much more genuine appreciation of life in general. So have any of you ever killed your own Thanksgiving bird?

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      Tom Deketelaere
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      Thanksgiving bird no, but I'v killed rabbits / pigs / cows / chickens (or is that a thanksgiving bird?). I grew up on a farm so you see / do a lot of this kind of stuff there.

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        LunaticFringe wrote:

        So have any of you ever killed your own Thanksgiving bird?

        Haven't done anything explicitly so for Thanksgiving, but for other occasions and with a diverse set of animals ranging from snakes to pigs. Both my grandmas were experts to dispatch chickens: quick neck twist, seemed pretty fast and merciful on the unfortunate - but delicious - birds. Then there was my grandparents 50th anniversary where a pig was committed, me and my brother & cousins tended to the prep out the pig days before the butcher showed up to do its deed... knife to the heart - that was kind of messy but once the thing was roasted we had already forgotten the early morning scene at the pig pen. And then there were the frequent family gatherings at the ranch where goats, deer, pigs, chickens and turkeys saw their end of days. Bottom line to our nature: we must kill to keep alive, regardless of choice in diet. Vegans kill plants, the things just don't scream, bleed red and are not capable to make a run for it. Blessed be thy bacon :-\ -- RP

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        RogelioP / EX DE,HL wrote:

        Vegans kill plants, the things just don't scream, bleed red and are not capable to make a run for it.

        :laugh: :thumbsup:

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        Blessed be thy bacon

        Gloria Patri, et Filio, et Piggy Sancto. :-D

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          RogelioP / EX DE,HL wrote:

          Vegans kill plants, the things just don't scream, bleed red and are not capable to make a run for it.

          :laugh: :thumbsup:

          RogelioP / EX DE,HL wrote:

          Blessed be thy bacon

          Gloria Patri, et Filio, et Piggy Sancto. :-D

          L u n a t i c F r i n g e

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          LunaticFringe wrote:

          Gloria Patri, et Filio, et Piggy Sancto.

          sicut erat in lardio, et Porc, et perna amen :)

          Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]

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          • L Lost User

            There's an article in the Times about slaughtering your own Thanksgiving turkey[^]. It addresses the issue of our disassociation from the realities of our food. Don't get me wrong - I eat meat and I have in the past hunted and eaten what I killed. I'm no vegan. That's why I liked this article. I've always thought people who eat meat but rip on hunters were the ultimate hypocrites. I think more people should have a hands-on experience with harvesting their own food; it cuts out a lot of pretentious BS and forces people to have a much more genuine appreciation of life in general. So have any of you ever killed your own Thanksgiving bird?

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            I don't like turkey that well so I choose beef or ham. I've helped raise, both and pigs are mean and nasty animals. Cows not so much.

            That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_

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            • W wolfbinary

              I don't like turkey that well so I choose beef or ham. I've helped raise, both and pigs are mean and nasty animals. Cows not so much.

              That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_

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              wolfbinary wrote:

              pigs are mean and nasty animals

              Not surprising, really. Anybody would be pretty p!ssed off if their innards were worshiped as the Great God BACON, but people kept on killing your species to get at it. :laugh:

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              • K Keith Barrow

                LunaticFringe wrote:

                So have any of you ever killed your own Thanksgiving bird?

                I've never killed a Christmas Turkey (the closest we'd get in the UK). I have killed and eaten fish of various kinds, and gutted a duck someone shot and gave to me. Where I'm living now it's common to chose a live chicken which they slaughter and clean for you. You also see butchers out in the sticks with [live] sheep parked outside, while one of their erstwhile flockmates are being skinned, having just been slaughted. This is one of the few ways of ensuring the meat remains fresh where the power supply for the fridges isn't reliable and daytime is at ideal bacteria growing temperature. We've just passed Eid here when sheep are slaughtered and distributed to the poor as a form of charity. There were markets all over where you could buy sheep and they'd slaughter them for you, you just had to take away the carcass ( the whole carcass, skin'n'all). Not for the squeemish, but it is the reality of where meat comes from.

                Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]

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                Lost User
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                I guess, from your reply and others in this thread, that the isolation the article decried really isn't as pervasive as one might think. Which is good. I'd hate to think we're all becoming Asimov's Solarians. :)

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                • T Tom Deketelaere

                  Thanksgiving bird no, but I'v killed rabbits / pigs / cows / chickens (or is that a thanksgiving bird?). I grew up on a farm so you see / do a lot of this kind of stuff there.

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                  Lost User
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                  Good man. It's good to know not everyone here is exclusively a city dweller.

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                  • K Keith Barrow

                    LunaticFringe wrote:

                    Gloria Patri, et Filio, et Piggy Sancto.

                    sicut erat in lardio, et Porc, et perna amen :)

                    Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]

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                    Lost User
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                    Awright, awready. There are limits to my pretensions... ... and to the Google Translator. :-D

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                    • W wolfbinary

                      I don't like turkey that well so I choose beef or ham. I've helped raise, both and pigs are mean and nasty animals. Cows not so much.

                      That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_

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                      Lost User
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                      I have to agree with the preceding response. I don't think I'd be very friendly if I were destined for the stockyard. Of course, I'm not very friendly to begin with. :-D

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                      • L Lost User

                        There's an article in the Times about slaughtering your own Thanksgiving turkey[^]. It addresses the issue of our disassociation from the realities of our food. Don't get me wrong - I eat meat and I have in the past hunted and eaten what I killed. I'm no vegan. That's why I liked this article. I've always thought people who eat meat but rip on hunters were the ultimate hypocrites. I think more people should have a hands-on experience with harvesting their own food; it cuts out a lot of pretentious BS and forces people to have a much more genuine appreciation of life in general. So have any of you ever killed your own Thanksgiving bird?

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                        Andy Brummer
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                        I haven't killed and eaten anything other than fish. After moving away from vegetarianism for health reasons and reading "The Omnivore's delema" I've been considering finding a way to hunt wild hog, as I'm not a huge fan of deer.

                        Curvature of the Mind

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