audio CD copying--what's the big fuss
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Marc Clifton wrote: I don't really understand the issue here. because the US congress (being the group of corporate whores they are) is trying to pass legislation to prohibit anyone from selling hardware that would let you do the two sound card trick. if the media companies get their way (and they have a long history of getting their way) you won't be able to buy hardware or software that would allow you to copy sound/video/data without permission. see google "Hollings DRM" for more info. -c
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Yeah, but until amplifiers go totally digital, that seems impossible. Analog audio doesn't encode anything, unlike analog video which has various timing marks and blanking periods where you can encode data or screw around with the sync pulses. And unless you make portable CD players that "register" your usage of the damn thing, how can you protect even the digital image? Of course, that's probably going to happen. God, I hate this industry sometimes. You can do the most wonderful things with technology, and you can do the most timewasting, stupid, inane things also. I know, why doesn't the music industry just go back to 78's??? Marc Obviously it is not all Muslims. Just like all VB programmers are not bad...both groups tend to cause trouble, get excited and do stupid things. -- Paul Watson
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This was prompted by the post below. I don't really understand the issue here. What is to prevent me from taking the audio output from my sound card, feeding it into the audio input of another sound card (or probably even the same card, or even directly), and recording each track? Then, what is to prevent me from taking these tracks and programming my own CD? Yes, there's a loss in quality going between the D/A and A/D, but I've seen sound cards that have digital I/O, and anyways, is the degradation that noticeable??? I doubt it. So, what's the big fuss? So what if you can't read the audio directory? I guess I just don't get it. Marc Obviously it is not all Muslims. Just like all VB programmers are not bad...both groups tend to cause trouble, get excited and do stupid things. -- Paul Watson
Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.Technically any unauthorized reproduction, in whole or in part, is illegal, isn't it? That would mean you can't even make yourself a compilation with the songs you want on it. [rant] That also means the recording industry better get back to making entire CDs of quality music, instead of just 1 or 2 hits and 10 other tracks of absolute crap! Then they wonder why people just download the 1 or 2 songs they like. [/rant]
"I'm not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?" -xterm
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Yeah, but until amplifiers go totally digital, that seems impossible. Analog audio doesn't encode anything, unlike analog video which has various timing marks and blanking periods where you can encode data or screw around with the sync pulses. And unless you make portable CD players that "register" your usage of the damn thing, how can you protect even the digital image? Of course, that's probably going to happen. God, I hate this industry sometimes. You can do the most wonderful things with technology, and you can do the most timewasting, stupid, inane things also. I know, why doesn't the music industry just go back to 78's??? Marc Obviously it is not all Muslims. Just like all VB programmers are not bad...both groups tend to cause trouble, get excited and do stupid things. -- Paul Watson
Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.Marc Clifton wrote: Yeah, but until amplifiers go totally digital, that seems impossible here's the trick: if something's illegal, the fact that it's possible doesn't matter so much. -c
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This was prompted by the post below. I don't really understand the issue here. What is to prevent me from taking the audio output from my sound card, feeding it into the audio input of another sound card (or probably even the same card, or even directly), and recording each track? Then, what is to prevent me from taking these tracks and programming my own CD? Yes, there's a loss in quality going between the D/A and A/D, but I've seen sound cards that have digital I/O, and anyways, is the degradation that noticeable??? I doubt it. So, what's the big fuss? So what if you can't read the audio directory? I guess I just don't get it. Marc Obviously it is not all Muslims. Just like all VB programmers are not bad...both groups tend to cause trouble, get excited and do stupid things. -- Paul Watson
Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.Copy protection forces you to take this route, and it's arguable there will be quality loss. But I agree - it all just proves that copying cannot be stopped so long as we can hear it, so the record companies would do better to make us feel they care about us at all, instead of attacking us with this stuff. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 During last 10 years, with invention of VB and similar programming environments, every ill-educated moron became able to develop software. - Alex E. - 12-Sept-2002
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This was prompted by the post below. I don't really understand the issue here. What is to prevent me from taking the audio output from my sound card, feeding it into the audio input of another sound card (or probably even the same card, or even directly), and recording each track? Then, what is to prevent me from taking these tracks and programming my own CD? Yes, there's a loss in quality going between the D/A and A/D, but I've seen sound cards that have digital I/O, and anyways, is the degradation that noticeable??? I doubt it. So, what's the big fuss? So what if you can't read the audio directory? I guess I just don't get it. Marc Obviously it is not all Muslims. Just like all VB programmers are not bad...both groups tend to cause trouble, get excited and do stupid things. -- Paul Watson
Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.The trouble is the protection is supposed to stop playback on a computer where you could rip the audio. So it would never get to you audio card in the first place as the cdrom won't play the cd. :( I suppose if you have CD player with a digital out and a sound card with a digital in, then any copy protection on the CD is a moot point. :-D Regards Barry
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Marc Clifton wrote: Yeah, but until amplifiers go totally digital, that seems impossible here's the trick: if something's illegal, the fact that it's possible doesn't matter so much. -c
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Chris Losinger wrote: here's the trick: if something's illegal, the fact that it's possible doesn't matter so much. Here's where it enters the fun in 3rd world: if something's possible, the fact that it's illegal doesn't matter so much. Your incessant rantings indicate you have a brain the size of a pea, and the mental capacity of a bag of hammers. - John Simmons
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Chris Losinger wrote: here's the trick: if something's illegal, the fact that it's possible doesn't matter so much. Here's where it enters the fun in 3rd world: if something's possible, the fact that it's illegal doesn't matter so much. Your incessant rantings indicate you have a brain the size of a pea, and the mental capacity of a bag of hammers. - John Simmons
Daniel Turini wrote: Here's where it enters the fun in 3rd world note that it's currently illegal to import, sell or purchase devices capable of circumventing copy protection in the US (and other countries) (see the Digital Millennium Copyright Act). the 3rd world can pirate all it wants, but the rest of us won't be able to (legally) buy what it is they're selling. this law has already been used to stop the import of devices capable of copying video game cartridges. -c
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I don't recall the name, but someone created an audio driver that acts like a "proxy" to your real audio driver and lets you capture to disk anything that goes through it. Your incessant rantings indicate you have a brain the size of a pea, and the mental capacity of a bag of hammers. - John Simmons
Daniel Turini wrote: I don't recall the name, But I do: it's Total Recorder[^] Regards Thomas Sonork id: 100.10453 Thömmi
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Daniel Turini wrote: Here's where it enters the fun in 3rd world note that it's currently illegal to import, sell or purchase devices capable of circumventing copy protection in the US (and other countries) (see the Digital Millennium Copyright Act). the 3rd world can pirate all it wants, but the rest of us won't be able to (legally) buy what it is they're selling. this law has already been used to stop the import of devices capable of copying video game cartridges. -c
A conclusion is simply the place where someone got tired of thinking.
Chris Losinger wrote: the 3rd world can pirate all it wants We used to call this the "Copyright Law": you have the right to copy. ;P That's why I ramble so much. If you're short and quotable, there's a much greater danger of ending up in a sig. [Christopher Duncan on how to prevent yourself from ending up in a sig]
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Chris Losinger wrote: the 3rd world can pirate all it wants We used to call this the "Copyright Law": you have the right to copy. ;P That's why I ramble so much. If you're short and quotable, there's a much greater danger of ending up in a sig. [Christopher Duncan on how to prevent yourself from ending up in a sig]
Atlantys wrote: you have the right to copy you still have the right. you just don't have the right to buy, sell or distribute anything that makes it possible. i bet jefferson is spinning in his grave. -c
A conclusion is simply the place where someone got tired of thinking.
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This was prompted by the post below. I don't really understand the issue here. What is to prevent me from taking the audio output from my sound card, feeding it into the audio input of another sound card (or probably even the same card, or even directly), and recording each track? Then, what is to prevent me from taking these tracks and programming my own CD? Yes, there's a loss in quality going between the D/A and A/D, but I've seen sound cards that have digital I/O, and anyways, is the degradation that noticeable??? I doubt it. So, what's the big fuss? So what if you can't read the audio directory? I guess I just don't get it. Marc Obviously it is not all Muslims. Just like all VB programmers are not bad...both groups tend to cause trouble, get excited and do stupid things. -- Paul Watson
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Technically any unauthorized reproduction, in whole or in part, is illegal, isn't it? That would mean you can't even make yourself a compilation with the songs you want on it. [rant] That also means the recording industry better get back to making entire CDs of quality music, instead of just 1 or 2 hits and 10 other tracks of absolute crap! Then they wonder why people just download the 1 or 2 songs they like. [/rant]
"I'm not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?" -xterm
No, some copying & distribution is legal. After the VCR fiasco of the 1980's I beleive (and correct me if my memory is wrong) the U.S. Congress stepped in and passed the "Home Recording Act of 1992", which made it 100% legal to copy certain stuff for private, non-commercial use. I believe this is the law that allows you to actually record stuff, including that copy of "Murder She Wrote" you sent to your grandmother, without yourself being considered a pirate. Although I may be mistaken as to the exact law, the purpose is the same. It is all being undone though, and I'm sure if not already, will be completely undone shortly.
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This was prompted by the post below. I don't really understand the issue here. What is to prevent me from taking the audio output from my sound card, feeding it into the audio input of another sound card (or probably even the same card, or even directly), and recording each track? Then, what is to prevent me from taking these tracks and programming my own CD? Yes, there's a loss in quality going between the D/A and A/D, but I've seen sound cards that have digital I/O, and anyways, is the degradation that noticeable??? I doubt it. So, what's the big fuss? So what if you can't read the audio directory? I guess I just don't get it. Marc Obviously it is not all Muslims. Just like all VB programmers are not bad...both groups tend to cause trouble, get excited and do stupid things. -- Paul Watson
Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.A lot of these CDs wont play on computer hardware, that's the problem. So you'd need to purchase an expensive hi fi system, sound card, etc, just to get it on your PC's playlist.
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
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The only way they will ever do it is like brain implants :P. If you can hear it, you can record it... the waves are in the air. Anyway, i took the easiest path.. no more music for me, and i'm not missing it
I threw out the TV years ago! Marc Obviously it is not all Muslims. Just like all VB programmers are not bad...both groups tend to cause trouble, get excited and do stupid things. -- Paul Watson
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