Prince Charles and Camilla get attacked by mob of students:
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Jealous? :laugh:
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Of course he is - your partners don't need a repair kit and a session with the foot pump... ...or maybe they do! Either way, I don't want to know. ;)
Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together.
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Of course he is - your partners don't need a repair kit and a session with the foot pump... ...or maybe they do! Either way, I don't want to know. ;)
Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together.
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ict558 wrote:
Would you have taken that course had you to pay, say, £4,500 p.a.?
One of my mates at the time owned his own house. His mortgage was £10k so would I have even considered the idea of £13.500 for college? No.
ict558 wrote:
But it is not just about potential earnings, to some attaining a degree in, say, the History of Art (not known for its wealth enhancing prospects), is well worth saddling themselves with the debt.
And my first degree was in Contemporary English Literature another subject not known for it's massive earning or even job getting potential. It's swings and round abouts, true some will do degrees and pay a tax level that barely if ever covers the cost of that degree, others will do degrees and go on to pay bakc their degree costs through taxes alone many times over. The fact reamins that some people are really interested in and have a passion for the history of arts, if things work our for them they will get a job with it if it doesnt they will have to do something else. But it is narrow and short sighted to say we only want engineers because they give us good payback. Actually if I understand things correctly there is nothing in the current UK measures preventing someone going to college getting a history of arts degree and then never even applying for a job. Or an engineering degree for that matter, and no doubt some will.
ict558 wrote:
Good heavens! Where did you live? Blaenau Ffestiniog?
Crewe, it's a factory town up and to the right of Blaenau.
ict558 wrote:
Which degree subject? Electronic Engineering? Astrophysics? Women's Studies? All degrees are equal, but some ...
You do realise that Women's Studies was a really bad one to choose? You know what with the fact that if you want to look at it purely from a business angle then bringing women into the everyday workforce alone doubled the available labour force. That whole industries have been developed especially to cater to women's tastes and needs that at one time simply weren't there until women through things like womens studies started demanding equal rights, pay, opportunities and treatment. On the purely academic front their focus on women in history has changed the way we view many historical events, for example it was women studying women in history that first bothered to pa
pseudonym67 wrote:
His mortgage was £10k so would I have even considered the idea of £13.500 for college? No.
But would you now consider £27,000 with property prices well over £20k (even in Crewe :) )?
pseudonym67 wrote:
my first degree was in Contemporary English Literature another subject not known for it's massive earning or even job getting potential.
Possibly. But you say that it gave you a leg up on the job ladder - you avoided the minimum wage.
pseudonym67 wrote:
The fact reamins that some people are really interested in and have a passion for the history of arts, if things work our for them they will get a job with it if it doesnt they will have to do something else.
Hey, I am not knocking History of Art, Contemporary English Literature, or Women's Studies (although I believe that should be taken as graduate study, following a first degree in one of the social sciences). I am merely saying that if one really wants to do it, the debt just has to be accepted.
pseudonym67 wrote:
But it is narrow and short sighted to say we only want engineers because they give us good payback.
Well, I did not mean to imply that. (Given the source, the original author probably meant 'invest in your future' in financial terms, but it is possible for your investment to be 'repaid' in personal satisfaction. (Why else would over 70s invest their limited time and money in attaining a degree?)
pseudonym67 wrote:
Crewe, it's a factory town up and to the right of Blaenau.
Changed trains there many times, to and from North Wales. (Never visited, though.)
pseudonym67 wrote:
You do realise that Women's Studies was a really bad one to choose?
No, I am not aware of that.
pseudonym67 wrote:
to look at it purely from a business angle then bringing women into the everyday workforce alone doubled the available labour force.
True. Originally, women were welcomed into the workforce because they cost less than men, nothing very women's lib about that. Possibly, their presence has caused a downward pressure on men's pay.
pseudonym67 wrote:
it was women studying women in histo
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pseudonym67 wrote:
His mortgage was £10k so would I have even considered the idea of £13.500 for college? No.
But would you now consider £27,000 with property prices well over £20k (even in Crewe :) )?
pseudonym67 wrote:
my first degree was in Contemporary English Literature another subject not known for it's massive earning or even job getting potential.
Possibly. But you say that it gave you a leg up on the job ladder - you avoided the minimum wage.
pseudonym67 wrote:
The fact reamins that some people are really interested in and have a passion for the history of arts, if things work our for them they will get a job with it if it doesnt they will have to do something else.
Hey, I am not knocking History of Art, Contemporary English Literature, or Women's Studies (although I believe that should be taken as graduate study, following a first degree in one of the social sciences). I am merely saying that if one really wants to do it, the debt just has to be accepted.
pseudonym67 wrote:
But it is narrow and short sighted to say we only want engineers because they give us good payback.
Well, I did not mean to imply that. (Given the source, the original author probably meant 'invest in your future' in financial terms, but it is possible for your investment to be 'repaid' in personal satisfaction. (Why else would over 70s invest their limited time and money in attaining a degree?)
pseudonym67 wrote:
Crewe, it's a factory town up and to the right of Blaenau.
Changed trains there many times, to and from North Wales. (Never visited, though.)
pseudonym67 wrote:
You do realise that Women's Studies was a really bad one to choose?
No, I am not aware of that.
pseudonym67 wrote:
to look at it purely from a business angle then bringing women into the everyday workforce alone doubled the available labour force.
True. Originally, women were welcomed into the workforce because they cost less than men, nothing very women's lib about that. Possibly, their presence has caused a downward pressure on men's pay.
pseudonym67 wrote:
it was women studying women in histo
What I mean is that the suffragettes and people like Virginia Woolf campaigning for better education and admittance to university all fed into and became part of womens studies and what they do. Business became interested in what women wanted because of the success of women campaigners and women getting jobs which provided more research for womens studies and information for business, therefore more things to sell that working women could afford to buy. From an intellectual point of view things such as womens studies have led to huge change and diversity. In many ways breaking down conceptual boundaries, allowing subjects such as history, english etc to become more muliti-disciplinary. From a history point of view this has led to the idea now known as historicism which understands the principal that all history is interpreted from the known events of the time and that the interpretations of what happened is actually dependant on the society that is doing the interpreting. From an studying English point of view it has led to the understanding that the western interpretation of piece of literature or even of history is not the only interpretation and that other cultures and other perspectives will arrive at different conclusions. A simple example of this is Charlotte Brontes Jane Eyre. Read or watch it and pay attention to how it portrays foriegn women. To put it simply they are all portrayed as whores which is not something that gets a lot of attention in school readings.
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What I mean is that the suffragettes and people like Virginia Woolf campaigning for better education and admittance to university all fed into and became part of womens studies and what they do. Business became interested in what women wanted because of the success of women campaigners and women getting jobs which provided more research for womens studies and information for business, therefore more things to sell that working women could afford to buy. From an intellectual point of view things such as womens studies have led to huge change and diversity. In many ways breaking down conceptual boundaries, allowing subjects such as history, english etc to become more muliti-disciplinary. From a history point of view this has led to the idea now known as historicism which understands the principal that all history is interpreted from the known events of the time and that the interpretations of what happened is actually dependant on the society that is doing the interpreting. From an studying English point of view it has led to the understanding that the western interpretation of piece of literature or even of history is not the only interpretation and that other cultures and other perspectives will arrive at different conclusions. A simple example of this is Charlotte Brontes Jane Eyre. Read or watch it and pay attention to how it portrays foriegn women. To put it simply they are all portrayed as whores which is not something that gets a lot of attention in school readings.
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pseudonym67 wrote:
... which provided more research for womens studies and information for business, therefore more things to sell that working women could afford to buy.
O.K. Gotcha. Concur.
pseudonym67 wrote:
... which understands the principal that all history is interpreted from the known events of the time and that the interpretations of what happened is actually dependant on the society that is doing the interpreting.
Total agreement.
pseudonym67 wrote:
From an studying English point of view it has led to the understanding that the western interpretation of piece of literature or even of history is not the only interpretation and that other cultures and other perspectives will arrive at different conclusions.
I have heard that the French found 'Brief Encounter' hilarious.
pseudonym67 wrote:
Read or watch it and pay attention to how it portrays foriegn women.
I shall. (But I am more of a Trollope fancier.) BTW: Jane Eyre, Contemporary English Literature, you have worn well.
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Yeah, English cunts! I should know, I was born there. DOnt live in the shit hole though, thank fuck.
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
a sentiment shared by all of here, we all are thankfull you dont live here too.
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start
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fat_boy wrote:
So, second hand German inbreds do it for you?
I would have thought an old man with big ears for handles and a tampon fetish was right up your alley ;P
You really do believe everything you read?
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
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You really do believe everything you read?
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
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fat_boy wrote:
You really do believe everything you read?
About him wanting to be the tampon? I thought there was an audio tape?
No, stuff I write.
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
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Yeah, English cunts! I should know, I was born there. DOnt live in the shit hole though, thank fuck.
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
well stop moaning about the country then!
As barmey as a sack of badgers Dude, if I knew what I was doing in life, I'd be rich, retired, dating a supermodel and laughing at the rest of you from the sidelines.
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No, stuff I write.
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
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My lies are deeper than my conscience...
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
