Back then, when we all believed...
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Surely not another fool?
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
Just giving Simon a thumbs up rather than points as I did not know how many. As I have stated before I believe in climate change but not global warming. When there is record cold throughout the world is a warm winter (last year) I have trouble believing global warming proponents. Note this is solely from one bad causes all to be bad logic which may or may not be true. :)
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Surely you are joking because you cant be that stupid can you?
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
When it comes to listening to an open debate on any subject no I'm not.. but when the debator has a closed view on the subject and isn't open to suggestion or even facts then YES I do get stupid purely for my own amusement Just in case the above statement is aimed at everyone
As barmey as a sack of badgers Dude, if I knew what I was doing in life, I'd be rich, retired, dating a supermodel and laughing at the rest of you from the sidelines.
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Just giving Simon a thumbs up rather than points as I did not know how many. As I have stated before I believe in climate change but not global warming. When there is record cold throughout the world is a warm winter (last year) I have trouble believing global warming proponents. Note this is solely from one bad causes all to be bad logic which may or may not be true. :)
The thing is that the effect of CO2 is supposed to raise the cold temperatures more than the hot, for obvious reasons. SO winters are supposed to become warmer. Yet we will have 4 of the 5 most snow covered winters in NOAAs NH data since 2003.
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
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When it comes to listening to an open debate on any subject no I'm not.. but when the debator has a closed view on the subject and isn't open to suggestion or even facts then YES I do get stupid purely for my own amusement Just in case the above statement is aimed at everyone
As barmey as a sack of badgers Dude, if I knew what I was doing in life, I'd be rich, retired, dating a supermodel and laughing at the rest of you from the sidelines.
Simon_Whale wrote:
when the debator has a closed view on the subject and isn't open to suggestion or even facts then YES
What facts? GISS stating the temperature is getting warmer and warmer while steadily reducing the number of stations used? GISS adjusting for UHI using satellite images at night, and not looking at the stations placement? In addition to recent record cold around the world, these are the facts.
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
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Simon_Whale wrote:
when the debator has a closed view on the subject and isn't open to suggestion or even facts then YES
What facts? GISS stating the temperature is getting warmer and warmer while steadily reducing the number of stations used? GISS adjusting for UHI using satellite images at night, and not looking at the stations placement? In addition to recent record cold around the world, these are the facts.
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
see this proves my point. I made a general statement about debating and you return with "general GW information"
As barmey as a sack of badgers Dude, if I knew what I was doing in life, I'd be rich, retired, dating a supermodel and laughing at the rest of you from the sidelines.
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Collin Jasnoch wrote:
You really don't know what GW is do you...
Surprisingly, I do actually, although those who support it dont seem to since they keep changing its name... :)
Collin Jasnoch wrote:
One should also note that snow does not form well in sub zero temps.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: So it forms much better in above zero temps? You know, having read the rest of your post, it is quite obvious you havent much of an idea how CO2 is supposed to effect temperatures. You also havent any scientific proof at all that storms or bad weather become either worse in intensity, or more frequent because such evidence doesnt exist. The IPCC AR4 report that did state this was based on the initial finding of one scientist who on completion withdrew his statement. Anyway, lets look at the score card: Piers Corbyn, uses solar activity to predict weather and predicted a bitch of a winter: 1 point. The UK MET Office, uses CO2 to predict weather and predictet a milder than average winter: 0 points. Hmm, guess who i'll be going with...
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
fat_boy wrote:
Collin Jasnoch wrote: One should also note that snow does not form well in sub zero temps. So it forms much better in above zero temps?
A small part of research shows that temperature does have an effect on snow fall!! but its "too cold to snow" is a bad interpretation of the below According to METEOROLOGIST JEFF HABY[^] "The ingredients for snow are: (1) a temperature profile that allows snow to reach the surface, (2) saturated air, and (3) enough lifting of that saturated air to allow snow to develop aloft and fall to reach the surface. In a situation when it is said "it is too cold to snow" there is in reality not enough lifting of air that causes snow to reach the surface. The phrase "it is too cold to snow today" probably originated as a misapplication of the relationship between temperature and the maximum amount of water vapor that can be in the air. When temperature decreases, the maximum capacity of water vapor that can be in the air decreases. Therefore, the colder it gets the less water vapor there will be in the air." so interpreting that article the water vapour in the air decreases as the temperature fall thus reducing the chances of snowfall happening!
As barmey as a sack of badgers Dude, if I knew what I was doing in life, I'd be rich, retired, dating a supermodel and laughing at the rest of you from the sidelines.
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see this proves my point. I made a general statement about debating and you return with "general GW information"
As barmey as a sack of badgers Dude, if I knew what I was doing in life, I'd be rich, retired, dating a supermodel and laughing at the rest of you from the sidelines.
A Whale of an answer, Simon...
I wasn't, now I am, then I won't be anymore.
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http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/snowfalls-are-now-just-a-thing-of-the-past-724017.html[^] "According to Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia,within a few years winter snowfall will become "a very rare and exciting event". "Children just aren't going to know what snow is," he said." He got that wrong didnt he! Last year was the second greatest NH snow cover on NOAAs record. This year is exceeding that. No 3 and 4 go to 2008 and 2003 respectively. http://icecap.us/images/uploads/Snow_Season_Off_to_a_Roaring_Start.pdf[^] So hang on, if this winter contiuues the 2nd 3rd 4th and 5th most snow covered winters since the early 1960's, in the NH will be since 2003? And there was me thinking GW was supposed to bring warmer winters...
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
fat_boy wrote:
He got that wrong didnt he!
Yes, Johnny One Note, he did. Have you anything new to add to the subject of AGW, GW, Climate Change? Poor Johnny One Note Sang out with Gusto And just overloaded the place. Poor Johnny One Note Yelled willy-nilly Until he was blue in the face, For holding one note was his ace.
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A Whale of an answer, Simon...
I wasn't, now I am, then I won't be anymore.
it nearly turned blue but then I thought I'd go for the killer approach :-D
As barmey as a sack of badgers Dude, if I knew what I was doing in life, I'd be rich, retired, dating a supermodel and laughing at the rest of you from the sidelines.
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it nearly turned blue but then I thought I'd go for the killer approach :-D
As barmey as a sack of badgers Dude, if I knew what I was doing in life, I'd be rich, retired, dating a supermodel and laughing at the rest of you from the sidelines.
I bow m'head before your sharp tongue. You really showed the humpback. :)
"I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by." (DNA)
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Surely not another fool?
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
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fat_boy wrote:
And there was me thinking GW was supposed to bring warmer winters...
You really don't know what GW is do you... The planet is on average getting warmer. One should also note that snow does not form well in sub zero temps. The true point of global warming is the impact of quick mean temp changes. It cause extreme storms and weather. For example, you will not necessarily see more hurricanes, tornadoes, blizzards (yes cold a$$ blizzards), etc. or less even. You will however see the strength increase. If you do not understand why this is start studying meteorology and you will realize weather is nasty when large differences colide. Well what the heck do you think happens when you increase the average temp of the planet by a couple degrees???
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.
Collin Jasnoch wrote:
You really don't know what GW is do you...
ROFL It is really hard to keep up with the definitions since every time one is shown to be wrong, another takes its place. As I understand it the latest theory is that Global Warming is like to bring a great deal of Global Cooling. Did I get it right?
"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth. I have observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer." ~ Benj Franklin
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:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Yeah, sure, 4 of the five snowiest NH winters are since 2003 and you say I dont recognise an average? Idiot.
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
fat_boy wrote:
Idiot.
:thumbsup:
"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth. I have observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer." ~ Benj Franklin
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fat_boy wrote:
He got that wrong didnt he!
Yes, Johnny One Note, he did. Have you anything new to add to the subject of AGW, GW, Climate Change? Poor Johnny One Note Sang out with Gusto And just overloaded the place. Poor Johnny One Note Yelled willy-nilly Until he was blue in the face, For holding one note was his ace.
ict558 wrote:
Have you anything new to add to the subject of AGW, GW, Climate Change?
You obviously didn't.
"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth. I have observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer." ~ Benj Franklin
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ict558 wrote:
Have you anything new to add to the subject of AGW, GW, Climate Change?
You obviously didn't.
"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth. I have observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer." ~ Benj Franklin
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Oakman wrote:
You obviously didn't.
No, I didn't. But had fat_boy been posting his 150,000th moan on the iniquities of penalty shoot-outs in Soccer, I would probably have posted the Johnny One Note comment.
ict558 wrote:
But had fat_boy been posting his 150,000th moan on the iniquities of penalty shoot-outs in Soccer, I would probably have posted the Johnny One Note comment.
In other words, even though what he wrote was true, and even though it is an issue on which a lot of misguided politicians are spending money, and even though, by your own admission, you have no opinion or facts worth posting, you felt it necessary to do what you could to shut him up?
"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth. I have observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer." ~ Benj Franklin
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ict558 wrote:
But had fat_boy been posting his 150,000th moan on the iniquities of penalty shoot-outs in Soccer, I would probably have posted the Johnny One Note comment.
In other words, even though what he wrote was true, and even though it is an issue on which a lot of misguided politicians are spending money, and even though, by your own admission, you have no opinion or facts worth posting, you felt it necessary to do what you could to shut him up?
"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth. I have observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer." ~ Benj Franklin
Oakman wrote:
even though what he wrote was true
But had fat_boy been posting his 150,000th moan on the iniquities of penalty shoot-outs in Soccer, and had each post been 100% accurate in every detail, I would probably have posted the Johnny One Note comment.
Oakman wrote:
even though it is an issue on which a lot of misguided politicians are spending money
Which I take up directly with said politicians, as I doubt if any read the Code Project forums.
Oakman wrote:
and even though, by your own admission, you have no opinion or facts worth posting
So having nothing new to add to the subject of AGW, GW, or Climate Change, equates to having no opinion or facts worth posting? An interesting distortion.
Oakman wrote:
you felt it necessary to do what you could to shut him up
I felt it necessary to inform him that I now find his climate posts repetitive and tedious (as have others). There is no danger that anything I post could shut him up.
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see this proves my point. I made a general statement about debating and you return with "general GW information"
As barmey as a sack of badgers Dude, if I knew what I was doing in life, I'd be rich, retired, dating a supermodel and laughing at the rest of you from the sidelines.
Simon_Whale wrote:
I made a general statement about debating
No, you told me I ignore the facts. I just pointed out the facts to you of which I am perfectly aware, yet which about a third of the populace seem happy to ignore.
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
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fat_boy wrote:
Collin Jasnoch wrote: One should also note that snow does not form well in sub zero temps. So it forms much better in above zero temps?
A small part of research shows that temperature does have an effect on snow fall!! but its "too cold to snow" is a bad interpretation of the below According to METEOROLOGIST JEFF HABY[^] "The ingredients for snow are: (1) a temperature profile that allows snow to reach the surface, (2) saturated air, and (3) enough lifting of that saturated air to allow snow to develop aloft and fall to reach the surface. In a situation when it is said "it is too cold to snow" there is in reality not enough lifting of air that causes snow to reach the surface. The phrase "it is too cold to snow today" probably originated as a misapplication of the relationship between temperature and the maximum amount of water vapor that can be in the air. When temperature decreases, the maximum capacity of water vapor that can be in the air decreases. Therefore, the colder it gets the less water vapor there will be in the air." so interpreting that article the water vapour in the air decreases as the temperature fall thus reducing the chances of snowfall happening!
As barmey as a sack of badgers Dude, if I knew what I was doing in life, I'd be rich, retired, dating a supermodel and laughing at the rest of you from the sidelines.
Yes, snow is always heaviest close to zero, but to use increased snow cover as evidence that it has got warmer, whihch is what the origial respondee stated, is clearly bonkers. Yes, in areas that are already cold increased snow thikness will suggest higher humidity and hence temperature. Increased sno cover indicates that a larger area than previously is experiencing colder temperatures. BBut this kiind if illogical thinking is common of AGW proponents. My favourite is the resuloution of lack of tropospheric warming problem (this shows that GH gas warming is not ocuring at present). To resolve this some scientists used wind as proxy for temperature, and came up with the desired warming.
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
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Collin Jasnoch wrote:
You really don't know what GW is do you...
ROFL It is really hard to keep up with the definitions since every time one is shown to be wrong, another takes its place. As I understand it the latest theory is that Global Warming is like to bring a great deal of Global Cooling. Did I get it right?
"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth. I have observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer." ~ Benj Franklin
No, thats the old terminology. THe latest is, wait for it... GLOBAL CLIMATE DISRUPTION! Ye hee, bellsm and whistles, drun roll please! THis is the new daddy of alarmist propaganda. And what a peach it is. Just the right dose of fear, a soupscon of science and there you have it!
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct from natural variation." Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville