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I have some doubts... Whether it is legal to do below things via your web application/Program 1. Track Location/Zipcode from IP address. 2. Read emails from Users Mailbox who registers to your website. I do not have much information about legal things, doing so can lead to any problem. Cause we the developers are believe in things like 'do the work given to you without any second thought'!! So I am curious about this. Anyone has faced this ever before or have done something like this. Note : I think it as non programming question So had posted here as it belongs to users privacy not with programming!!
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I have some doubts... Whether it is legal to do below things via your web application/Program 1. Track Location/Zipcode from IP address. 2. Read emails from Users Mailbox who registers to your website. I do not have much information about legal things, doing so can lead to any problem. Cause we the developers are believe in things like 'do the work given to you without any second thought'!! So I am curious about this. Anyone has faced this ever before or have done something like this. Note : I think it as non programming question So had posted here as it belongs to users privacy not with programming!!
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Do you think it's legal? I'd say it was so far out you'd need to hire Rumpole as your defence.
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Do you think it's legal? I'd say it was so far out you'd need to hire Rumpole as your defence.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. or "Drink. Get drunk. Fall over." - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre
Nagy Vilmos wrote:
Do you think it's legal?
That is what I am confuse about and even if you have any firm knowledge then please give some light on it, as I am looking for it. :~ Thanks.
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I have some doubts... Whether it is legal to do below things via your web application/Program 1. Track Location/Zipcode from IP address. 2. Read emails from Users Mailbox who registers to your website. I do not have much information about legal things, doing so can lead to any problem. Cause we the developers are believe in things like 'do the work given to you without any second thought'!! So I am curious about this. Anyone has faced this ever before or have done something like this. Note : I think it as non programming question So had posted here as it belongs to users privacy not with programming!!
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1. Most web sites do this anyway as part of the reporting statistics but generally only to the country level not the state or county as you really only end up tracking the ISP that the person uses. 2. If you're providing an online email service most people would expect some level of automated scanning to detect SPAM and viruses if it is to go further such as scanning for potentially illegal actions so long as it is in the terms and conditions of service it shouldn't be a problem but some people will claim invasion of privacy. But it would be better to get a lawyer to answer this question.
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1. Most web sites do this anyway as part of the reporting statistics but generally only to the country level not the state or county as you really only end up tracking the ISP that the person uses. 2. If you're providing an online email service most people would expect some level of automated scanning to detect SPAM and viruses if it is to go further such as scanning for potentially illegal actions so long as it is in the terms and conditions of service it shouldn't be a problem but some people will claim invasion of privacy. But it would be better to get a lawyer to answer this question.
People are more violently opposed to fur than leather because it's safer to harass rich women than motorcycle gangs
Rod Kemp wrote:
1. Most web sites do this anyway as part of the reporting statistics but generally only to the country level
Yes, that is what exactly I thought, however it is regarding to the users own privacy it should be illegal to track zipcode level. I must insist/invoke this issue to my PM as I think he is not aware of this kind of issues.
Rod Kemp wrote:
2. If you're providing an online email service
Yeah we can say so, As automated emails sent to the user on occurrence of something related to that user and all the same to detect spam or junk. And I think it will be safer to mentioned something related to the privacy policy at time of registration.
Rod Kemp wrote:
But it would be better to get a lawyer to answer this question.
We have one however I doubt he does have any knowledge about internet technology. Would have to look for other option.
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Rod Kemp wrote:
1. Most web sites do this anyway as part of the reporting statistics but generally only to the country level
Yes, that is what exactly I thought, however it is regarding to the users own privacy it should be illegal to track zipcode level. I must insist/invoke this issue to my PM as I think he is not aware of this kind of issues.
Rod Kemp wrote:
2. If you're providing an online email service
Yeah we can say so, As automated emails sent to the user on occurrence of something related to that user and all the same to detect spam or junk. And I think it will be safer to mentioned something related to the privacy policy at time of registration.
Rod Kemp wrote:
But it would be better to get a lawyer to answer this question.
We have one however I doubt he does have any knowledge about internet technology. Would have to look for other option.
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Gandalf - The White wrote:
regarding to the users own privacy it should be illegal to track zipcode level.
Tracking of IP addresses isn't an issue as the closest you will get is the ISP the IP is assigned to you will not get the exact zipcode of the individual user. What you need to look at is WHY do they want to track it. If they are wanting to link a user with an IP address this has problems as some people still have dynamic IP addresses so it will change over time making recording it pointless or do they want to provide location based services or is it based on security such as this person logged in from this IP address at this time. There are uses to tracking IP addresses.
People are more violently opposed to fur than leather because it's safer to harass rich women than motorcycle gangs
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I have some doubts... Whether it is legal to do below things via your web application/Program 1. Track Location/Zipcode from IP address. 2. Read emails from Users Mailbox who registers to your website. I do not have much information about legal things, doing so can lead to any problem. Cause we the developers are believe in things like 'do the work given to you without any second thought'!! So I am curious about this. Anyone has faced this ever before or have done something like this. Note : I think it as non programming question So had posted here as it belongs to users privacy not with programming!!
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I explained to you last week http://www.codeproject.com/Questions/136755/Get-zipcode-from-the-relative-ip-address.aspx[^] that Postcode tracking from IP address doesn't work. The facts haven't changed since then. In all probability, reading a users email without their prior knowledge and consent will be illegal in most if not all western countries. If I knew (or found out) that my email was being read by any outside agency, I would take steps immediately, even if my email is a dull bunch of cr@p, generally. Employers can (sometimes) get away with doing it to their employees, but normally such a policy causes such resentment that the practice stops pretty quickly. Most people consider it tantamount to phone call tapping.
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I explained to you last week http://www.codeproject.com/Questions/136755/Get-zipcode-from-the-relative-ip-address.aspx[^] that Postcode tracking from IP address doesn't work. The facts haven't changed since then. In all probability, reading a users email without their prior knowledge and consent will be illegal in most if not all western countries. If I knew (or found out) that my email was being read by any outside agency, I would take steps immediately, even if my email is a dull bunch of cr@p, generally. Employers can (sometimes) get away with doing it to their employees, but normally such a policy causes such resentment that the practice stops pretty quickly. Most people consider it tantamount to phone call tapping.
Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together.
Thanks griff!! I am aware of your solution and It was appropriate for the particular question. Though here I have little different doubt in mind where this things are mentioned in Cyber Low or not. And what about the Privacy policy contents at the time of registration if they have mentioned about this things then what one can do in this matter.
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Gandalf - The White wrote:
regarding to the users own privacy it should be illegal to track zipcode level.
Tracking of IP addresses isn't an issue as the closest you will get is the ISP the IP is assigned to you will not get the exact zipcode of the individual user. What you need to look at is WHY do they want to track it. If they are wanting to link a user with an IP address this has problems as some people still have dynamic IP addresses so it will change over time making recording it pointless or do they want to provide location based services or is it based on security such as this person logged in from this IP address at this time. There are uses to tracking IP addresses.
People are more violently opposed to fur than leather because it's safer to harass rich women than motorcycle gangs
Its fine with the IP address there is no issue in tracking the IP address however It is one level more - track the zipcode from the tracked IP address. In that I was referring to the tracking zipcode of the user from the tracked IP. As we consider the dynamic ip the zipcode is no more going to remain same if person has changed the location however it(zip) should remain same regardless of dynamic ip if the location is same.
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Thanks griff!! I am aware of your solution and It was appropriate for the particular question. Though here I have little different doubt in mind where this things are mentioned in Cyber Low or not. And what about the Privacy policy contents at the time of registration if they have mentioned about this things then what one can do in this matter.
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Gandalf - The White wrote:
I have little different doubt in mind where this things are mentioned in Cyber Low or not
You know something else that's not mentioned in Cyber Low (Law?)? They don't bother mentioning pinning fairies to gorillas backsides either. The reason is, of course, that gorillas simply wouldn't put up with it, just as identifying zip codes from IP addresses is just not on. If, however, you are talking about Geolocation[^] (which is possible), then you should learn to use the correct terminology.
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”
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I have some doubts... Whether it is legal to do below things via your web application/Program 1. Track Location/Zipcode from IP address. 2. Read emails from Users Mailbox who registers to your website. I do not have much information about legal things, doing so can lead to any problem. Cause we the developers are believe in things like 'do the work given to you without any second thought'!! So I am curious about this. Anyone has faced this ever before or have done something like this. Note : I think it as non programming question So had posted here as it belongs to users privacy not with programming!!
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Sounds more like the action of Saruman the White.
Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
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Its fine with the IP address there is no issue in tracking the IP address however It is one level more - track the zipcode from the tracked IP address. In that I was referring to the tracking zipcode of the user from the tracked IP. As we consider the dynamic ip the zipcode is no more going to remain same if person has changed the location however it(zip) should remain same regardless of dynamic ip if the location is same.
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You're missing the point here, which is, you can't get the location of the USER from an IP address you can only get the location of the ISP and these are not necessarily going to be the same.
People are more violently opposed to fur than leather because it's safer to harass rich women than motorcycle gangs
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Gandalf - The White wrote:
I have little different doubt in mind where this things are mentioned in Cyber Low or not
You know something else that's not mentioned in Cyber Low (Law?)? They don't bother mentioning pinning fairies to gorillas backsides either. The reason is, of course, that gorillas simply wouldn't put up with it, just as identifying zip codes from IP addresses is just not on. If, however, you are talking about Geolocation[^] (which is possible), then you should learn to use the correct terminology.
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”
Henry Minute wrote:
If, however, you are talking about Geolocation[^] (which is possible), then you should learn to use the correct terminology.
Thank you for your advise However it is Zicode. I am aware of the Geolocation in which MAC addresses are used. However here we have to find Zipcode and I got my answer from the Guidelines provided by the cpians.
Henry Minute wrote:
They don't bother mentioning pinning fairies to gorillas backsides either.
True, but I want to be on safer side so have to confirm it at anyhow.
Henry Minute wrote:
Cyber Low (Law?)?
And yeah that was my mistake. :doh: I was referring LAW. You caught the correct one and thanks for that :)
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Sounds more like the action of Saruman the White.
Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
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A Dead ringer for Kate Winslett[^]Keith Barrow wrote:
action of Saruman the White
:laugh: And Frodo needs some guidelines and for that he has ask help from the white wizard.
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You're missing the point here, which is, you can't get the location of the USER from an IP address you can only get the location of the ISP and these are not necessarily going to be the same.
People are more violently opposed to fur than leather because it's safer to harass rich women than motorcycle gangs
Rod Kemp wrote:
you can't get the location of the USER from an IP add
Yes I got you, It will post to the ISP every-time. and it will be not related to anywhere near to the user's zipcode.
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Henry Minute wrote:
If, however, you are talking about Geolocation[^] (which is possible), then you should learn to use the correct terminology.
Thank you for your advise However it is Zicode. I am aware of the Geolocation in which MAC addresses are used. However here we have to find Zipcode and I got my answer from the Guidelines provided by the cpians.
Henry Minute wrote:
They don't bother mentioning pinning fairies to gorillas backsides either.
True, but I want to be on safer side so have to confirm it at anyhow.
Henry Minute wrote:
Cyber Low (Law?)?
And yeah that was my mistake. :doh: I was referring LAW. You caught the correct one and thanks for that :)
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Gandalf - The White wrote:
However it is Zicode. I am aware of the Geolocation in which MAC addresses are used. However here we have to find Zipcode and I got my answer from the Guidelines provided by the cpians.
Geolocation, the use of which is more often related to 'mobile' devices, can get down to ZipCode level, or pretty close, by using cell triangulation amongst other techniques. As others have told you this is currently not possible using the 'fixed' internet infrastructure.
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”
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I have some doubts... Whether it is legal to do below things via your web application/Program 1. Track Location/Zipcode from IP address. 2. Read emails from Users Mailbox who registers to your website. I do not have much information about legal things, doing so can lead to any problem. Cause we the developers are believe in things like 'do the work given to you without any second thought'!! So I am curious about this. Anyone has faced this ever before or have done something like this. Note : I think it as non programming question So had posted here as it belongs to users privacy not with programming!!
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As others have told you, it is not possible to relate an IP address to a Zip Code. At least not reliably... As for reading email, I don't believe that case law has dealt with this issue yet, so it's a gray area. It is against Federal law to tamper with the US mail, including opening another's mailbox and reading mail addressed to another person, but that doesn't extend to electronic communications. In fact, this may be an issue which may take a long time to settle. For instance, in accordance with the WARC conference and treaty of 1939, it is against international law, and by extension US law, to block any electronic transmission. For this reason, cities and police departments who try to prevent the use of scanners by the public find themselves in deep doodoo with the Feds. It is permissible to scramble a communication, but not to forbid listening to it. It is also illegal to rebroadcast overheard transmissions, and by extension, it would be illegal for you to read someone else's email and tell a third party what you read. But I doubt if the law is all that clear about whether you commit a crime by reading it yourself. In the US, at least, the 'Right to Privacy' is a fiction - there is no such legal right in the Constitution. But it is a strong taboo here that any person or company would be wise to observe. If your employer is asking you to snoop, it's probably not against the law, but it is certainly unethical, and your customers will leave you in droves if they find out about it. And they will...
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