Wikileaks: Turning the Tables
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Laws tend to not be important when the people enforcing them are the ones breaking them. If people were so interested in following the just laws we'd have bankers indited for all the crap they've done. The only real apology this guy was giving was "Oops the camera was on?".
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
Good reply!
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Since people on Facebook are probably getting tired of me, I thought I'd harass you* friendly bunch by posting this. It is an open letter informing those who say Julian Assange should be assassinated that they may be committing a crime, and could themselves face prison time. Haven't heard from everybody, but one guy has already apologized. There is so much more going on with Wikileaks right now, but I'll try to keep my deluging to a minimum (by spamming others). ;P *Please don't take out a restraining order on me. :rolleyes:
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Laws tend to not be important when the people enforcing them are the ones breaking them. If people were so interested in following the just laws we'd have bankers indited for all the crap they've done. The only real apology this guy was giving was "Oops the camera was on?".
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
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Since people on Facebook are probably getting tired of me, I thought I'd harass you* friendly bunch by posting this. It is an open letter informing those who say Julian Assange should be assassinated that they may be committing a crime, and could themselves face prison time. Haven't heard from everybody, but one guy has already apologized. There is so much more going on with Wikileaks right now, but I'll try to keep my deluging to a minimum (by spamming others). ;P *Please don't take out a restraining order on me. :rolleyes:
So what is a fitting punishment for rape? Castration?
"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth. I have observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer." ~ Benj Franklin
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So what is a fitting punishment for rape? Castration?
"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth. I have observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer." ~ Benj Franklin
What does my OP have to do with rape?
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What does my OP have to do with rape?
That's what Assange is accused of, isn't it?
"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth. I have observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer." ~ Benj Franklin
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That's what Assange is accused of, isn't it?
"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth. I have observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer." ~ Benj Franklin
That's one of the things people say he has done, but that's not why people were saying he should be assassinated.
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That's one of the things people say he has done, but that's not why people were saying he should be assassinated.
aspdotnetdev wrote:
That's one of the things people say he has done
I thought he'd been indicted. You make it sound like it is just idle gossip.
aspdotnetdev wrote:
that's not why people were saying he should be assassinated.
Assassination is an extra-legal way of removing opponents, usually political opponents. It is often frowned upon if committed by a countryman - far less so when committed by an agent of a foreign power. It is, after all, what James Bond fictionally does for a living and he's called a hero for doing it. It's a time-honored practice with biblical approbation (see the story of Judith.) Would you have disapproved of the assassination of Hitler? Pol Pot? It's certainly not against the law of the land, though the right to pick targets in the U.S.A. is reserved, I believe, for President Obama, who is widely rumored to have put Anwar al-Awlaki on the hit list. So why exactly are you going around trying to silence people who suggest he should add Assange to the list? By the way, I don't think Assange should be assassinated and don't think he did anything illegal in the Wiki-Leaks affair - though he appears to be a jackass with no moral or ethical respect for human life (We'd probably solve the over population of many countries if that were sufficient grounds to be put on a hit list.) On the other hand, I like listening to what people say who disagree with me. Sometimes, if I listen carefully instead of trying to shut them up, I learn something. Am I correct in thinking you prefer to hear the opinions only of those you agree with? edit clears up confusion about what I believe regarding Assange's legal activities were
"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth. I have observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer." ~ Benj Franklin
modified on Friday, December 31, 2010 11:34 PM
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aspdotnetdev wrote:
That's one of the things people say he has done
I thought he'd been indicted. You make it sound like it is just idle gossip.
aspdotnetdev wrote:
that's not why people were saying he should be assassinated.
Assassination is an extra-legal way of removing opponents, usually political opponents. It is often frowned upon if committed by a countryman - far less so when committed by an agent of a foreign power. It is, after all, what James Bond fictionally does for a living and he's called a hero for doing it. It's a time-honored practice with biblical approbation (see the story of Judith.) Would you have disapproved of the assassination of Hitler? Pol Pot? It's certainly not against the law of the land, though the right to pick targets in the U.S.A. is reserved, I believe, for President Obama, who is widely rumored to have put Anwar al-Awlaki on the hit list. So why exactly are you going around trying to silence people who suggest he should add Assange to the list? By the way, I don't think Assange should be assassinated and don't think he did anything illegal in the Wiki-Leaks affair - though he appears to be a jackass with no moral or ethical respect for human life (We'd probably solve the over population of many countries if that were sufficient grounds to be put on a hit list.) On the other hand, I like listening to what people say who disagree with me. Sometimes, if I listen carefully instead of trying to shut them up, I learn something. Am I correct in thinking you prefer to hear the opinions only of those you agree with? edit clears up confusion about what I believe regarding Assange's legal activities were
"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth. I have observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer." ~ Benj Franklin
modified on Friday, December 31, 2010 11:34 PM
Sorry for the late response, been busy with new years and and my computers either BSODing or being virus ridden and annoying to use.
Oakman wrote:
I thought he'd been indicted. You make it sound like it is just idle gossip.
I mean that people are throwing a lot of accusations around. And I'm not entirely clear on what point in the legal process he is in. Apparently, however, his current legal defense is that the request for him to be extradited to Sweden is for the purpose of questioning, not to go to trial. And that apparently is not a valid reason to be extradited. My guess is they are trying to get him extradited for questioning because they want to avoid formally charging him with anything (which could serve various purposes, such as avoiding giving him a reason to run or because they don't have a solid case and can't charge him with anything).
Oakman wrote:
Assassination is an extra-legal way of removing opponents, usually political opponents. It is often frowned upon if committed by a countryman - far less so when committed by an agent of a foreign power. It is, after all, what James Bond fictionally does for a living and he's called a hero for doing it. It's a time-honored practice with biblical approbation (see the story of Judith.) Would you have disapproved of the assassination of Hitler? Pol Pot? It's certainly not against the law of the land, though the right to pick targets in the U.S.A. is reserved, I believe, for President Obama, who is widely rumored to have put Anwar al-Awlaki on the hit list. So why exactly are you going around trying to silence people who suggest he should add Assange to the list?
The rules for assassination are a bit murky. Assange didn't kill millions of people like Hitler. We're not talking about Obama requesting a hit on the down low. Officials are publicly stating they want Assange killed, and they have stated it in a variety of ways (some specifically stating that he should be killed illegally if there is no legal way to do it). I believe in the majority of what Assange is doing, so I don't want to see people trying to kill him or trying to get others to kill him. He's not some war criminal and he's not doing anything illegal (at least not with regard to Wikileaks).
Oak
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Sorry for the late response, been busy with new years and and my computers either BSODing or being virus ridden and annoying to use.
Oakman wrote:
I thought he'd been indicted. You make it sound like it is just idle gossip.
I mean that people are throwing a lot of accusations around. And I'm not entirely clear on what point in the legal process he is in. Apparently, however, his current legal defense is that the request for him to be extradited to Sweden is for the purpose of questioning, not to go to trial. And that apparently is not a valid reason to be extradited. My guess is they are trying to get him extradited for questioning because they want to avoid formally charging him with anything (which could serve various purposes, such as avoiding giving him a reason to run or because they don't have a solid case and can't charge him with anything).
Oakman wrote:
Assassination is an extra-legal way of removing opponents, usually political opponents. It is often frowned upon if committed by a countryman - far less so when committed by an agent of a foreign power. It is, after all, what James Bond fictionally does for a living and he's called a hero for doing it. It's a time-honored practice with biblical approbation (see the story of Judith.) Would you have disapproved of the assassination of Hitler? Pol Pot? It's certainly not against the law of the land, though the right to pick targets in the U.S.A. is reserved, I believe, for President Obama, who is widely rumored to have put Anwar al-Awlaki on the hit list. So why exactly are you going around trying to silence people who suggest he should add Assange to the list?
The rules for assassination are a bit murky. Assange didn't kill millions of people like Hitler. We're not talking about Obama requesting a hit on the down low. Officials are publicly stating they want Assange killed, and they have stated it in a variety of ways (some specifically stating that he should be killed illegally if there is no legal way to do it). I believe in the majority of what Assange is doing, so I don't want to see people trying to kill him or trying to get others to kill him. He's not some war criminal and he's not doing anything illegal (at least not with regard to Wikileaks).
Oak
aspdotnetdev wrote:
And I'm not entirely clear on what point in the legal process he is in.
He has been indicted on charges of "rape." (as defined in Sweden
aspdotnetdev wrote:
Officials are publicly stating they want Assange killed
I have heard some people shoot their mouth off, too. However, if Assange is assassinated by the U.S., it will be done at the express order of Obama. And I would imagine that if that is the plan, they would be encouraging London and Stockholm to let him go. It would be far easier to take him out once he is not in custody, and, unless he wants to live in pretty primitive conditions, there aren't too many places for him to hide. If a private citizen takes him out it is probably more likely going to be someone from a 3rd world country who has been revealed as in the employ of the U.S. by Assange. I'm not sure he realizes that he's made many more enemies in the rest of the world than in Europe. It's probably a good thing that Brown isn't still P.M. or he might have ordered MI5 to blow the jerk away for revealing the truth about Lockerbie.
aspdotnetdev wrote:
I believe in the majority of what Assange is doing
As I think I said, I think he is a jackass, but if we make that a capital crime, we will solve the population problem. So I wouldn't want to see him killed even though I think he's acting immorally.
aspdotnetdev wrote:
I encourage you to speak your mind.
I've never needed any encouragement. It's part of my basic charm ;) No need to respond. This thread has, methinks, been done to death.
“The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.” ~ H.L. Mencken