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  • W wizardzz

    What are your views on these? How often do you use or see them and in what cases? Just curious, it's a little debate with my project's Architect. To clarify, I don't mean the preference between the 2, but the use of such loops in production.

    "Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming "Wow! What a Ride!" — Hunter S. Thompson

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    RugbyLeague
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    I use them although not often. I also often add an empty IDisposable to classes in C# because I like to wrap things in "using" :~

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      What are your views on these? How often do you use or see them and in what cases? Just curious, it's a little debate with my project's Architect. To clarify, I don't mean the preference between the 2, but the use of such loops in production.

      "Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming "Wow! What a Ride!" — Hunter S. Thompson

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      Real men use "goto" :p

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        Okay, I can't think of why anyone'd have a while-true (or otherwise infinite) loop that does not have any normal exit conditions. Although you could break out via an exception it just does not seem very clean to me.

        Regards, Nish


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        Luc Pattyn
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        break, return, yield, goto, throw, Application.Exit(), longjmp(), ... can all be justified given the right circumstances. :)

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        • W wizardzz

          What are your views on these? How often do you use or see them and in what cases? Just curious, it's a little debate with my project's Architect. To clarify, I don't mean the preference between the 2, but the use of such loops in production.

          "Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming "Wow! What a Ride!" — Hunter S. Thompson

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          They are both handy from time to time (expression parsing and times when you don't know how many iterations will be needed). I personally prefer while(TRUE) so as not confuse any VB programmer that comes across my code.

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          • W wizardzz

            What are your views on these? How often do you use or see them and in what cases? Just curious, it's a little debate with my project's Architect. To clarify, I don't mean the preference between the 2, but the use of such loops in production.

            "Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming "Wow! What a Ride!" — Hunter S. Thompson

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            Nemanja Trifunovic
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            wizardzz wrote:

            What are your views on these?

            Infinite tail-recursion is much nicer.

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              I use them although not often. I also often add an empty IDisposable to classes in C# because I like to wrap things in "using" :~

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              RugbyLeague wrote:

              IDisposable to classes in C#

              That's silly. It serves no purpose, except obfuscation and misrepresentation, if you don't implement the IDisposable!

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              • W wizardzz

                What are your views on these? How often do you use or see them and in what cases? Just curious, it's a little debate with my project's Architect. To clarify, I don't mean the preference between the 2, but the use of such loops in production.

                "Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming "Wow! What a Ride!" — Hunter S. Thompson

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                Checking my production system, it looks like I've used while (true) in six places... #1: Background thread that continuously monitors a Named Pipe #2: Background thread that periodically checks for application updates #3: Background thread that uploads trades as they're queued #4: Background thread that watches for incoming messages from the server #5: Background thread that sends heartbeats to the server #6: Background thread that handles message routing ON the server Basically, all of them are intended to run throughout the life of the application... They all have a sleep or a wait handle, but otherwise just loop continuously... It's a useful construct. Yes, I suppose I could add a global "Shutting down" condition, but it just hasn't been necessary. They catch the thread abort, clean up in the 'finally', and are designed so as not to damage anything external if the shutdown interrupts them at any point.

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                  Real men use "goto" :p

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                  Beat me to it!

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                  • W wizardzz

                    What are your views on these? How often do you use or see them and in what cases? Just curious, it's a little debate with my project's Architect. To clarify, I don't mean the preference between the 2, but the use of such loops in production.

                    "Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming "Wow! What a Ride!" — Hunter S. Thompson

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                    Chris Losinger
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                    i like em just fine, in things like state machines, where the endpoint is unknown. do{...}while(ok) is ok, too.

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                    • W wizardzz

                      What are your views on these? How often do you use or see them and in what cases? Just curious, it's a little debate with my project's Architect. To clarify, I don't mean the preference between the 2, but the use of such loops in production.

                      "Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming "Wow! What a Ride!" — Hunter S. Thompson

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                      AspDotNetDev
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                      I like to consolidate:

                      for (; ; MessageBox.Show("Hello")) ;

                      :rolleyes: And here's the best I could do in VB.net:

                      For i As Integer = 0 To 0 Step 0
                      Next

                      Like somebody else mentioned, they may have their uses in background threads.

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                      • N Nish Nishant

                        Most compilers (managed and native) will generate the same output code for either construct. So it's more a matter of style and preference. Personally, the while(true) seems more readable and it's more obvious what it's meant to do.

                        Regards, Nish


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                        Christopher Duncan
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                        Nishant Sivakumar wrote:

                        what it's meant to do.

                        Hang the app with an endless loop? :)

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                          Nishant Sivakumar wrote:

                          what it's meant to do.

                          Hang the app with an endless loop? :)

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                          Nish Nishant
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                          Christopher Duncan wrote:

                          Hang the app with an endless loop?

                          Only on a single core machine :-D

                          Regards, Nish


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                            Christopher Duncan wrote:

                            Hang the app with an endless loop?

                            Only on a single core machine :-D

                            Regards, Nish


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                            :laugh:

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                            • W wizardzz

                              What are your views on these? How often do you use or see them and in what cases? Just curious, it's a little debate with my project's Architect. To clarify, I don't mean the preference between the 2, but the use of such loops in production.

                              "Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming "Wow! What a Ride!" — Hunter S. Thompson

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                              I don't find many situations where I must use either. Something like while(!done) gives you a control over whether and when to exit, normal or abnormal.

                              Best, Jun

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                                What are your views on these? How often do you use or see them and in what cases? Just curious, it's a little debate with my project's Architect. To clarify, I don't mean the preference between the 2, but the use of such loops in production.

                                "Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming "Wow! What a Ride!" — Hunter S. Thompson

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                                I use the while(true) consistently...in embedded apps. (AVR)

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                                  I don't find many situations where I must use either. Something like while(!done) gives you a control over whether and when to exit, normal or abnormal.

                                  Best, Jun

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                                  Not always. In C applications, for instance, you may know in the middle of the loop that you've to exit and while you may skip the following statements with an if and then use the condition, I prefer an immediate break.

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                                  • H Henry Minute

                                    I have only used them, or their equivalent in other languages, for testing something. Never in production.

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                                    Same here, useful but risky in the wild.

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                                    • W wizardzz

                                      What are your views on these? How often do you use or see them and in what cases? Just curious, it's a little debate with my project's Architect. To clarify, I don't mean the preference between the 2, but the use of such loops in production.

                                      "Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming "Wow! What a Ride!" — Hunter S. Thompson

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                                      One version I every now and then use is:

                                      while (6 * 9 != 42)

                                      This wouldn't cause an infinite loop since one (particular) day those will be equal :)

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                                        What are your views on these? How often do you use or see them and in what cases? Just curious, it's a little debate with my project's Architect. To clarify, I don't mean the preference between the 2, but the use of such loops in production.

                                        "Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming "Wow! What a Ride!" — Hunter S. Thompson

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                                        I just used while(condition); in a unit test to test an async method for retrieving a business object. I can't imagine a use for them in production code though.


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                                          I just used while(condition); in a unit test to test an async method for retrieving a business object. I can't imagine a use for them in production code though.


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                                          That's not even in the same category.

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