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Piracy: are we being conned?

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    Chris Maunder
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    Piracy: are we being conned?[^] Is piracy really sending the entertainment industry broke or are the claimed hundreds of millions of dollars in annual losses and thousands of job cuts just a load of hogwash?

    cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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      Piracy: are we being conned?[^] Is piracy really sending the entertainment industry broke or are the claimed hundreds of millions of dollars in annual losses and thousands of job cuts just a load of hogwash?

      cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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      Excellent article... We've been discussing this issue here for a while - it's been apparent to me that the music industry in particular has a problem in that they're locked in to a broken business model, which they are unwilling / unable to fix... Loved the quote about all Aussies being immoral criminals - that kinda hit the nail on the head for me....the main reason the average Joe (or should that be Bruce) pirates is because a legitimate alternative isn't (or hasn't been) available. If someone wants a "gigical" copy and all you have is a CD, then it's hardly surprising that other avenues are persued. Just for clarity however, I don't pirate music - I have a Spotify Premium account, and to those artists that refuse to appear on that or similar (I'm looking at you Metallica!) I have one simple sentance: "Fine - you don't want to make your music available in a way that I want to listen to it, then you know what - I won't listen to it!"

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        Piracy: are we being conned?[^] Is piracy really sending the entertainment industry broke or are the claimed hundreds of millions of dollars in annual losses and thousands of job cuts just a load of hogwash?

        cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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        I followed a couple of links and found this study[^] commissioned and published by our very own government. The most interesting statistic for me was that in Canada, among the group of people who file share, this group buys more CDs than among the group of people who do not file share. Which is evidence for the often heard point that file sharing actually promotes more buying because people end up discovering and listening to music that they normally wouldn't. I do agree with the economic point that the money not spent on CDs because of file sharing is spent elsewhere and so the overall effect to the economy is zero. A bigger contention to me is separation of piracy into different components. For example, while someone file sharing may not be costing the industry any money, the individual who duplicates and then sells the physical goods in an unauthorized manner is most certainly costing the industry and the economy revenue and jobs. Stop in a some flea markets and look at the booths setup to "distribute" CDs and DVDs. A lot of those are completely illegal and should be investigated and charged. :)

        Chris Meech I am Canadian. [heard in a local bar] In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is. [Yogi Berra] posting about Crystal Reports here is like discussing gay marriage on a catholic church’s website.[Nishant Sivakumar]

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          Piracy: are we being conned?[^] Is piracy really sending the entertainment industry broke or are the claimed hundreds of millions of dollars in annual losses and thousands of job cuts just a load of hogwash?

          cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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          I remember in the 70's/80's the music/film industries lobbying for a levy to be placed on blank audio and video tapes, which would then be paid to them to compensate them for all of the illegal copying going on. That "home taping is killing ..." skull & crossbones logo was everywhere, and they were predicting the bankruptiong of the whole industry sector. It didn't happen then and it won't happen now! Methinks they are crying wolf[^]!

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            I remember in the 70's/80's the music/film industries lobbying for a levy to be placed on blank audio and video tapes, which would then be paid to them to compensate them for all of the illegal copying going on. That "home taping is killing ..." skull & crossbones logo was everywhere, and they were predicting the bankruptiong of the whole industry sector. It didn't happen then and it won't happen now! Methinks they are crying wolf[^]!

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            Home video made Billions for the film industry, they just had their heads in the sand at the time and didn't see the opportunities.

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              Piracy: are we being conned?[^] Is piracy really sending the entertainment industry broke or are the claimed hundreds of millions of dollars in annual losses and thousands of job cuts just a load of hogwash?

              cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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              Who cares. The internet drove travel agencies out of business, it will do the same for entertainment distribution (The TV channels havent been hit hard yet, but just wait, they are finished, its a matter of when). Music itself will survive, but the greedy strngle hold the record producers have over it wil be gone, and that will be better for the artists and listeners alike.

              "If climate has not "tipped" in over 4 billion years it's not going to tip now due to mankind." Richard S. Lindzen, Atmospheric Physicist, IPCC "It does not matter who you are, or how smart you are, or what title you have, or how many of you here are, and certainly not how many papers your side has published, if your prediction is wrong then your hypothesis is wrong. Period." Professor Richard Feynman

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                Who cares. The internet drove travel agencies out of business, it will do the same for entertainment distribution (The TV channels havent been hit hard yet, but just wait, they are finished, its a matter of when). Music itself will survive, but the greedy strngle hold the record producers have over it wil be gone, and that will be better for the artists and listeners alike.

                "If climate has not "tipped" in over 4 billion years it's not going to tip now due to mankind." Richard S. Lindzen, Atmospheric Physicist, IPCC "It does not matter who you are, or how smart you are, or what title you have, or how many of you here are, and certainly not how many papers your side has published, if your prediction is wrong then your hypothesis is wrong. Period." Professor Richard Feynman

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                fat_boy wrote:

                Music itself will survive, but the greedy strngle hold the record producers have over it wil be gone, and that will be better for the artists and listeners alike.

                Very well said. I couldn't agree with you more on this.:thumbsup:

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                  Who cares. The internet drove travel agencies out of business, it will do the same for entertainment distribution (The TV channels havent been hit hard yet, but just wait, they are finished, its a matter of when). Music itself will survive, but the greedy strngle hold the record producers have over it wil be gone, and that will be better for the artists and listeners alike.

                  "If climate has not "tipped" in over 4 billion years it's not going to tip now due to mankind." Richard S. Lindzen, Atmospheric Physicist, IPCC "It does not matter who you are, or how smart you are, or what title you have, or how many of you here are, and certainly not how many papers your side has published, if your prediction is wrong then your hypothesis is wrong. Period." Professor Richard Feynman

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                  fat_boy wrote:

                  Music itself will survive, but the greedy strngle hold the record producers have over it wil be gone, and that will be better for the artists and listeners alike.

                  First person I thought of was John Fogerty and his long history with record companies.

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                    Piracy: are we being conned?[^] Is piracy really sending the entertainment industry broke or are the claimed hundreds of millions of dollars in annual losses and thousands of job cuts just a load of hogwash?

                    cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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                    Essentially, piracy is a reallocation of income, not a loss to the larger national economy. Jacobs also noted that the content industry was mostly based in the US so revenue was largely flowing offshore. He pointed to a research report from Holland that found piracy was actually beneficial to the Dutch economy (a Canadian study has come to a similar conclusion). Other studios have found that illegal downloaders actually spent the most on music and that pirated copies served to market the legitimate versions. Yup. What I've believed for a long time. Pirates pirate because they don't have (or won't spend) the money to buy the product. But do have (or are willing to spend) the money on other things. In addition, the so-called pirating is just to get a demo so they know if they want to buy it or not. "This whole operation from the start has just been a monumental stuff-up by MIPI," said barrister Doug Potter, who represented the defence in this matter but has 18 years' experience with Victoria Police and has previously helped MIPI with its prosecutions. "This bloke's got a legitimate licence to be selling material and they've tried to characterise him as the greatest pirate in Australia. If their assessment is right they don't have a piracy problem, it's as simple as that." Yup. End-of-story.

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