Who's not a moron?
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Stan Shannon wrote: the only reason that Bush is called a moron is because so many people around the world want to be ruled by a benevolent dictator say what? http://www.columbiacentral.com/dubya/[^] "The reason we start a war is to fight a war, win a war, thereby causing no more war" - GWB -c
There's one easy way to prove the effectiveness of 'letting the market decide' when it comes to environmental protection. It's spelt 'S-U-V'. --Holgate, from Plastic
"I did not have sex with that woman!" William Jefferson Clinton If a quote is all it takes to label a person, I'd like to see you admit Clinton was a liar. Mike Mullikin :beer:
Well, I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation. - David St. Hubbins, Spinal Tap
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Great leaders are made, not born. Even an average guy can become a great leader by successfully managing the great issues of the day. If there are no great issues than there can be no great leaders. If Bush, who is at best a man of average ability, is successful at managing the issue of Islamic fundamentalist terrorism than he will most certainly be considered "great" by history. No other leader (except Saddam and Osama) is in a position to do much about it so will never have the opportunity to become great regardless of their true abilities. The sad thing to me is that the only reason that Bush is called a moron is because so many people around the world want to be ruled by a benevolent dictator. A benevolent dictator, by definition, must be of enormous intellectual capacity and personal charisma. Bush, being conservative, does not promote the concept of benevolent dictatorship such as Bill Clinton (and his ilk) does. So Bush is dispised by the world and loved by Americans, and Clinton is loved by the world and dispised by Americans. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle
Stan Shannon wrote: Even an average guy can become a great leader by successfully managing the great issues of the day. He's not an average guy anymore then. Stan Shannon wrote: No other leader (except Saddam and Osama) is in a position to do much about it so will never have the opportunity to become great regardless of their true abilities. Maybe not with this issue, but every nation has its share of issues that need to addresses, whether they are economic, medicinal, educational, racial, administrative, whatever... Every current leader is in the position to make positive changes in their own nation towards any and all of these goals. (if they aren't then they aren't really the nations leaders) I don't think you need a great world crisis to be considered "great". You can be a great leader by dealing successfully with the issues at hand, and carving a path of continued success for your nation. Granted it will usually take some time to see if a leaders decision were indeed wise enough to call them great, but you can get a feel for someone who is heading down that road, before he's deemed "a great leader". BW "I'm coming with you! I got you fired, it's the least I can do. Well, the least I could do is absolutely nothing, but I'll go you one better and come along!" - Homer J. Simpson
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"I did not have sex with that woman!" William Jefferson Clinton If a quote is all it takes to label a person, I'd like to see you admit Clinton was a liar. Mike Mullikin :beer:
Well, I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation. - David St. Hubbins, Spinal Tap
here's a crazy idea: try to defend GWB on his own merits. see if you can complete a positive thought about GWB without using the word "Clinton". give it a try. -c
There's one easy way to prove the effectiveness of 'letting the market decide' when it comes to environmental protection. It's spelt 'S-U-V'. --Holgate, from Plastic
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here's a crazy idea: try to defend GWB on his own merits. see if you can complete a positive thought about GWB without using the word "Clinton". give it a try. -c
There's one easy way to prove the effectiveness of 'letting the market decide' when it comes to environmental protection. It's spelt 'S-U-V'. --Holgate, from Plastic
He got UN inspectors back into Iraq. BW "I'm coming with you! I got you fired, it's the least I can do. Well, the least I could do is absolutely nothing, but I'll go you one better and come along!" - Homer J. Simpson
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OK, since Bush has been labeled a "moron", I was curious to know if there are any great leaders in the world today? It's easy to poke, and its funny and all, but I'd seriously like to know who is a great political leader right now. Cretien? Blair? Schroeder? Hussein? Putin? Mbeki? Jiang? Howard? BW "I'm coming with you! I got you fired, it's the least I can do. Well, the least I could do is absolutely nothing, but I'll go you one better and come along!" - Homer J. Simpson
(Sorry, french) http://www.cyberpresse.ca/droit/editorial/[^] :laugh::laugh::laugh: Michel It is a lovely language, but it takes a very long time to say anything in it, because we do not say anything in it, unless it is worth taking a very long time to say, and to listen to.
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He got UN inspectors back into Iraq. BW "I'm coming with you! I got you fired, it's the least I can do. Well, the least I could do is absolutely nothing, but I'll go you one better and come along!" - Homer J. Simpson
that's true. i'm willing to give him that point. -c
There's one easy way to prove the effectiveness of 'letting the market decide' when it comes to environmental protection. It's spelt 'S-U-V'. --Holgate, from Plastic
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Stan Shannon wrote: the only reason that Bush is called a moron is because so many people around the world want to be ruled by a benevolent dictator say what? http://www.columbiacentral.com/dubya/[^] "The reason we start a war is to fight a war, win a war, thereby causing no more war" - GWB -c
There's one easy way to prove the effectiveness of 'letting the market decide' when it comes to environmental protection. It's spelt 'S-U-V'. --Holgate, from Plastic
"You don't need to be smart to be president" --Republican Congressman J.C. Watts - said at a February campaign appearance on Bush's behalf. Washington Post, 6/11/00 And J.C. is absolutely correct. I really don't care whether Bush is intelligent or not. The government of my country is organized well enough that it can be managed by people of ordinary intellect. That is the way I like it. If other countries have such poorly designed political systems that they need geniuses running them, that is their problem, not mine. Frankly, I do not believe most of the comments attributed to Bush are actual quotes. I listen to the man speak every chance I get, and I have never heard him say anything I considered unintelligent. A slip of the tounge occassionally, but no more than I recall Clinton or Gore suffering from. I don't really like Bush, but I think he is doing an adequate job all things considered. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle
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I never really considered that much... Why do you think that so many people in the world seem to be perfectly fine ruled by a dictator? Is it simply easier to allow your life to be run by someone who controls every facet of your existence? Are they just politically or personally lazy to not want to have a personal direction to their own lives? Paul Watson wrote: At the end of the day it is what you produce that counts, not how many doctorates you have on the wall.
Ray Cassick wrote: Is it simply easier to allow your life to be run by someone who controls every facet of your existence? It think that is generally true. Everyone wants to be free until they find out how much personal responsibility is involved in being trully free, than they want "big daddy government" there to help them out. That is why liberals hate conservatives - they think we are tyring to kill their daddy, and we are. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle
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"You don't need to be smart to be president" --Republican Congressman J.C. Watts - said at a February campaign appearance on Bush's behalf. Washington Post, 6/11/00 And J.C. is absolutely correct. I really don't care whether Bush is intelligent or not. The government of my country is organized well enough that it can be managed by people of ordinary intellect. That is the way I like it. If other countries have such poorly designed political systems that they need geniuses running them, that is their problem, not mine. Frankly, I do not believe most of the comments attributed to Bush are actual quotes. I listen to the man speak every chance I get, and I have never heard him say anything I considered unintelligent. A slip of the tounge occassionally, but no more than I recall Clinton or Gore suffering from. I don't really like Bush, but I think he is doing an adequate job all things considered. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle
Stan Shannon wrote: I really don't care whether Bush is intelligent or not. i do. the president in general, and bush in particular via his cabinet's liberal interpretation of the constitution, has such a lot of power (such as invading countries without congressionial approval) that i expect (demand?) that the person who sits in the seat should be able to make the best decisions possible. this is the president of the friggin homeowner's association. this guy has his finger on The Button, for fuck's sake. -c
There's one easy way to prove the effectiveness of 'letting the market decide' when it comes to environmental protection. It's spelt 'S-U-V'. --Holgate, from Plastic
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Stan Shannon wrote: the only reason that Bush is called a moron is because so many people around the world want to be ruled by a benevolent dictator say what? http://www.columbiacentral.com/dubya/[^] "The reason we start a war is to fight a war, win a war, thereby causing no more war" - GWB -c
There's one easy way to prove the effectiveness of 'letting the market decide' when it comes to environmental protection. It's spelt 'S-U-V'. --Holgate, from Plastic
That depends on what is is Willie
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(Sorry, french) http://www.cyberpresse.ca/droit/editorial/[^] :laugh::laugh::laugh: Michel It is a lovely language, but it takes a very long time to say anything in it, because we do not say anything in it, unless it is worth taking a very long time to say, and to listen to.
- TreeBeardNice, but the arrow should be pointing upwards...
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"You don't need to be smart to be president" --Republican Congressman J.C. Watts - said at a February campaign appearance on Bush's behalf. Washington Post, 6/11/00 And J.C. is absolutely correct. I really don't care whether Bush is intelligent or not. The government of my country is organized well enough that it can be managed by people of ordinary intellect. That is the way I like it. If other countries have such poorly designed political systems that they need geniuses running them, that is their problem, not mine. Frankly, I do not believe most of the comments attributed to Bush are actual quotes. I listen to the man speak every chance I get, and I have never heard him say anything I considered unintelligent. A slip of the tounge occassionally, but no more than I recall Clinton or Gore suffering from. I don't really like Bush, but I think he is doing an adequate job all things considered. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle
I think a leader such as the US President, has to be intelligent enough to select the right people to be advisers and the right advice to listen to. The US Presidency might be embodied in one individual, but I suspect it is really a very large team, where the President is really just the chief spokesperson for the team. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.
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OK, since Bush has been labeled a "moron", I was curious to know if there are any great leaders in the world today? It's easy to poke, and its funny and all, but I'd seriously like to know who is a great political leader right now. Cretien? Blair? Schroeder? Hussein? Putin? Mbeki? Jiang? Howard? BW "I'm coming with you! I got you fired, it's the least I can do. Well, the least I could do is absolutely nothing, but I'll go you one better and come along!" - Homer J. Simpson
The last one I knew of here was Robert Muldoon. PM for 10+ yrs and President of the World Bank simultaneously. He was extrely well read and could hold an advanced conversation on virtually any topic. A friend of mine was a guide for him when he visited an oil exploration rig. He had read a couple of papers on oil exploration technology the night before apparently and was up to date with the tech talk on board. I disliked him though. He ended up going a bit crazy when he was dumped as leader and became a normal politician. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.
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OK, since Bush has been labeled a "moron", I was curious to know if there are any great leaders in the world today? It's easy to poke, and its funny and all, but I'd seriously like to know who is a great political leader right now. Cretien? Blair? Schroeder? Hussein? Putin? Mbeki? Jiang? Howard? BW "I'm coming with you! I got you fired, it's the least I can do. Well, the least I could do is absolutely nothing, but I'll go you one better and come along!" - Homer J. Simpson
Why? well: Yale and Harvard do not sell degrees, I believe you actually have to pass exams. His perspective is correct, Americans before trees, caribou, fish. Is leading the strongest nation in the history of the world, in trying times. As is typical of a good leader he has surrounded himself with intelligent and hard working individuals, without regard to the color or gender of those individuals. Strengths: Family. Belief in America and Americans first. Ability to: listen to, evaluate, and act on advice. Weaknesses: Belief in an open arms approach to the US borders (should pull troops from Europe and put them on our borders). Belief in the basic "goodness" of people and the inability to see the inherent evil of the Kennedy's and Dashles of the country. Belief in the inherent "goodness" of all religions. I firmly believe he'll ultimately cure these weaknesses. Mike
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Nice, but the arrow should be pointing upwards...
hmmmmm I'm not sure. Maybe there should be 2 arrows, one for each Michel It is a lovely language, but it takes a very long time to say anything in it, because we do not say anything in it, unless it is worth taking a very long time to say, and to listen to.
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Why? well: Yale and Harvard do not sell degrees, I believe you actually have to pass exams. His perspective is correct, Americans before trees, caribou, fish. Is leading the strongest nation in the history of the world, in trying times. As is typical of a good leader he has surrounded himself with intelligent and hard working individuals, without regard to the color or gender of those individuals. Strengths: Family. Belief in America and Americans first. Ability to: listen to, evaluate, and act on advice. Weaknesses: Belief in an open arms approach to the US borders (should pull troops from Europe and put them on our borders). Belief in the basic "goodness" of people and the inability to see the inherent evil of the Kennedy's and Dashles of the country. Belief in the inherent "goodness" of all religions. I firmly believe he'll ultimately cure these weaknesses. Mike
Mike Gaskey wrote: Weaknesses: Belief in an open arms approach to the US borders (should pull troops from Europe and put them on our borders). I'm actually a little torn on this one. There is the obvious hole in security here, however how can we close it without building a virtual wall around the caountry? I'm not convinced few thousand soldiers surrounding our border is the best soultion. Also, I'm under the impression that our population growth, if not already negative, is steadily heading in that direction chart[^]. If this is true and remains that way, then who is going to do all the work, and pay taxes, maintain our current dependence on Social Security, etc...?? We need bodies. I'd rather they did everything legally, but %-wise how many of these immigrants are causing any trouble. BW "I'm coming with you! I got you fired, it's the least I can do. Well, the least I could do is absolutely nothing, but I'll go you one better and come along!" - Homer J. Simpson
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here's a crazy idea: try to defend GWB on his own merits. see if you can complete a positive thought about GWB without using the word "Clinton". give it a try. -c
There's one easy way to prove the effectiveness of 'letting the market decide' when it comes to environmental protection. It's spelt 'S-U-V'. --Holgate, from Plastic
My point was that you want to label GW an idiot because he twists a phrase or two but you won't hold your heros to the same standard. That makes you hypocritical IMHO. This is not a defense of Bush, but rather an insult of you. My question still stands - Are you willing to admit that Clinton is a liar? Mike Mullikin :beer:
Well, I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation. - David St. Hubbins, Spinal Tap
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Mike Gaskey wrote: Weaknesses: Belief in an open arms approach to the US borders (should pull troops from Europe and put them on our borders). I'm actually a little torn on this one. There is the obvious hole in security here, however how can we close it without building a virtual wall around the caountry? I'm not convinced few thousand soldiers surrounding our border is the best soultion. Also, I'm under the impression that our population growth, if not already negative, is steadily heading in that direction chart[^]. If this is true and remains that way, then who is going to do all the work, and pay taxes, maintain our current dependence on Social Security, etc...?? We need bodies. I'd rather they did everything legally, but %-wise how many of these immigrants are causing any trouble. BW "I'm coming with you! I got you fired, it's the least I can do. Well, the least I could do is absolutely nothing, but I'll go you one better and come along!" - Homer J. Simpson
brianwelsch wrote: this is true and remains that way, then who is going to do all the work, and pay taxes, maintain our current dependence on Social Security, etc...?? We need bodies. Good insight, thanks. By way of reply, I would personally love to see the govenment get smaller, not larger - except in the area of defense. A smaller tax base might force that to happen. As to Social Security, I have believed for years that this will not be there when I need it. At 57 1/2 it looks like my prediction is wrong, but not by much. This really needs reconstructing (ok, privatized) such that some contributions can be self-directed, then 30 years from now it won't' be an issue for the current 18 - 40 year olds. brianwelsch wrote: I'm not convinced few thousand soldiers surrounding our border is the best soultion. Yes, this is tough - but I think they would do more good for our defense here than in Germany and their salaries would go back into our economy instead of Europe's. brianwelsch wrote: I'd rather they did everything legally, but %-wise how many of these immigrants are causing any trouble. There are really 2 issues: The first is security. I don't believe Hispanics coming in from the south are a danger, but I doubt that is all that is coming across that particular border. From the north, you can't tell what might come down since their borders are as lax as our own - Mexico at least has their own military on their southern border which prevents a worse element from entering ours, except for the terrorist element that can buy their way across our southern border. The second is the drain on the local economies. Once these folks come in they have access to schools, free (via emeregency rooms, if nothing else) health care. Mike
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My point was that you want to label GW an idiot because he twists a phrase or two but you won't hold your heros to the same standard. That makes you hypocritical IMHO. This is not a defense of Bush, but rather an insult of you. My question still stands - Are you willing to admit that Clinton is a liar? Mike Mullikin :beer:
Well, I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation. - David St. Hubbins, Spinal Tap
and who, exactly, are my "heros" ??? be careful now - be sure you have a reference to back up whoever it is you say. Mike Mullikin wrote: Are you willing to admit that Clinton is a liar? of course. are you willing to admit that this topic is not about Clinton and that you only brought him up to try to prop up GWB? -c
There's one easy way to prove the effectiveness of 'letting the market decide' when it comes to environmental protection. It's spelt 'S-U-V'. --Holgate, from Plastic
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and who, exactly, are my "heros" ??? be careful now - be sure you have a reference to back up whoever it is you say. Mike Mullikin wrote: Are you willing to admit that Clinton is a liar? of course. are you willing to admit that this topic is not about Clinton and that you only brought him up to try to prop up GWB? -c
There's one easy way to prove the effectiveness of 'letting the market decide' when it comes to environmental protection. It's spelt 'S-U-V'. --Holgate, from Plastic
Chris Losinger wrote: are you willing to admit that this topic is not about Clinton and that you only brought him up to try to prop up GWB? This is absurd. Show me where EXACTLY in this thread I have defended Bush in any way. I simply questioned your credibility because until now (after being pushed) you have not held others to the same standard you hold Bush. Chris Losinger wrote: and who, exactly, are my "heros" ??? be careful now - be sure you have a reference to back up whoever it is you say. Give me a break. This is the soapbox, opinions rule and facts only get in the way. ;P Mike Mullikin :beer:
Well, I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation. - David St. Hubbins, Spinal Tap