Who's not a moron?
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Mike Gaskey wrote: I would personally love to see the govenment get smaller, not larger - except in the area of defense. I definitely agree with you here. Governments role has continued to grow, and things have continued to get more convoluted, and inefficient. I hope they do start to privatize SS or get rid of it. Mike Gaskey wrote: but I think they would do more good for our defense here than in Germany and their salaries would go back into our economy instead of Europe's. You're right here. Unfortunately politics won't allow this. Also, a handful of terrorist will get in regardless of the border patrol. In Minnesota, journalists are flying at will between the US/Canadian border, no questions. I've also seen reports that people are sneaking weapons through airport security with no trouble. I think it would be easy enough for someone to get in without a hassle, by methods circumventing border patrol. Mike Gaskey wrote: the drain on the local economies This is true, but those places will continue to get the money needed from federal grants, etc.. BTW, have you read Michelle Markins, Invasion? I saw her twice on The Factor, and just haven't gotten around to buying it yet. BW "I'm coming with you! I got you fired, it's the least I can do. Well, the least I could do is absolutely nothing, but I'll go you one better and come along!" - Homer J. Simpson
brianwelsch wrote: BTW, have you read Michelle Markins, Invasion? Not yet, but it is on my list. I've caught her several time on both the Factor and on Hannity. She's also been on a talk show here in Indy. She's really got a handle on the problem. Suspect what I read will have me firing off more emails to Lugar and Bayh (senators). Mike
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Chris Losinger wrote: are you willing to admit that this topic is not about Clinton and that you only brought him up to try to prop up GWB? This is absurd. Show me where EXACTLY in this thread I have defended Bush in any way. I simply questioned your credibility because until now (after being pushed) you have not held others to the same standard you hold Bush. Chris Losinger wrote: and who, exactly, are my "heros" ??? be careful now - be sure you have a reference to back up whoever it is you say. Give me a break. This is the soapbox, opinions rule and facts only get in the way. ;P Mike Mullikin :beer:
Well, I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation. - David St. Hubbins, Spinal Tap
Mike Mullikin wrote: you have not held others to the same standard you hold Bush where did i do that? -c
There's one easy way to prove the effectiveness of 'letting the market decide' when it comes to environmental protection. It's spelt 'S-U-V'. --Holgate, from Plastic
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Chris Losinger wrote: this guy has his finger on The Button, for f***'s sake. I'll let you worry about that one. I can't think of anyone I would trust with that responsibility. Unfortunantly, it just goes with the job. Chris Losinger wrote: liberal interpretation of the constitution Please, we have not been a constitutional republic sense the days of FDR. The gutting of the constitution cannot be blamed on a right-wing conspiracy. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle
Stan Shannon wrote: The gutting of the constitution cannot be blamed on a right-wing conspiracy. sorry. the replublicans are in charge now. the current continuation of said gutting most certainly can be blamed on them. -c
There's one easy way to prove the effectiveness of 'letting the market decide' when it comes to environmental protection. It's spelt 'S-U-V'. --Holgate, from Plastic
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I think a leader such as the US President, has to be intelligent enough to select the right people to be advisers and the right advice to listen to. The US Presidency might be embodied in one individual, but I suspect it is really a very large team, where the President is really just the chief spokesperson for the team. Regardz Colin J Davies
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You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.
Well said. That is the mark of a good leader in any country. "I will find a new sig someday."
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Stan Shannon wrote: The gutting of the constitution cannot be blamed on a right-wing conspiracy. sorry. the replublicans are in charge now. the current continuation of said gutting most certainly can be blamed on them. -c
There's one easy way to prove the effectiveness of 'letting the market decide' when it comes to environmental protection. It's spelt 'S-U-V'. --Holgate, from Plastic
So, we are only supposed to worry about abuse to the consitution when it occurs to help defend our security (because we don't have the balls to go clean out a nest of terrorists from the middle east), but not when it is abused to secure a leftest social agenda? If we are not willing to see your government militarily eliminate the terrorist threat of the middle east, and if we must get the U.N.'s permission to defend ourselves, than I would think our only other option is to defend ourselves from it by further gutting of the constitution. Is Bush simply supposed to do nothing at all? Is that the intelligent option? "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle
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The last one I knew of here was Robert Muldoon. PM for 10+ yrs and President of the World Bank simultaneously. He was extrely well read and could hold an advanced conversation on virtually any topic. A friend of mine was a guide for him when he visited an oil exploration rig. He had read a couple of papers on oil exploration technology the night before apparently and was up to date with the tech talk on board. I disliked him though. He ended up going a bit crazy when he was dumped as leader and became a normal politician. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.
Sounds like a smart fellow. And knighted, I see. With the exeption of a much debated Bush, no one named a single leader who is currently in office. pretty scary stuff. BW "I'm coming with you! I got you fired, it's the least I can do. Well, the least I could do is absolutely nothing, but I'll go you one better and come along!" - Homer J. Simpson
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So, we are only supposed to worry about abuse to the consitution when it occurs to help defend our security (because we don't have the balls to go clean out a nest of terrorists from the middle east), but not when it is abused to secure a leftest social agenda? If we are not willing to see your government militarily eliminate the terrorist threat of the middle east, and if we must get the U.N.'s permission to defend ourselves, than I would think our only other option is to defend ourselves from it by further gutting of the constitution. Is Bush simply supposed to do nothing at all? Is that the intelligent option? "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle
Stan Shannon wrote: but not when it is abused to secure a leftest social agenda? err.. WTF are you talking about? the 4th amendment is now a "leftist social agenda" ? Stan Shannon wrote: If we are not willing to see your government militarily eliminate the terrorist threat of the middle east i'll say it again: israel, russia, UK. have their militaries stopped the "terrorist threat"? they've been at it a lot longer than the US has. -c
There's one easy way to prove the effectiveness of 'letting the market decide' when it comes to environmental protection. It's spelt 'S-U-V'. --Holgate, from Plastic
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Exactly. And I am reasonably confident that Bush is intelligent enough to do that. At least the guy is smart enough to realize that socialism does not work. That demonstrates more intelligence than any Canadian can claim to have. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle
I find it hard to believe that a country as complex as the US will ever have One person who can be the total leader. Similar you find in large Companies Like GM, MS etc, the CEO has a large support network before even the divisional heads level. First a US president must be electable through the local then primary then secondary Presidential system. While most americans probably think they are electing a leader, they are probably electing and individual who holds the charisma of the team who he'll be spokesperson for. The job is too complex for any one person, which is why you have cabinet heads, and even they need a lot of support staff. Anyone who expects a US president to be a genius needs their own heads checking. And I guess because GW isn't a genius he then gets labelled as a moron or idiot, which is utter overkill. It still bugs me that the US doesn't see the light and invade Canada, and put the Canadians on reservations out of harms way. Canada's soverignty is the cause of too much political and judicial instability in North America. :-) Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.
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OK, since Bush has been labeled a "moron", I was curious to know if there are any great leaders in the world today? It's easy to poke, and its funny and all, but I'd seriously like to know who is a great political leader right now. Cretien? Blair? Schroeder? Hussein? Putin? Mbeki? Jiang? Howard? BW "I'm coming with you! I got you fired, it's the least I can do. Well, the least I could do is absolutely nothing, but I'll go you one better and come along!" - Homer J. Simpson
Howard is smart as a fox. So is Hussein. A shame really, that this parallel exists. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
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Well said. That is the mark of a good leader in any country. "I will find a new sig someday."
Michael A. Barnhart wrote: Well said. Thanks Michael. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.
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Stan Shannon wrote: the only reason that Bush is called a moron is because so many people around the world want to be ruled by a benevolent dictator say what? http://www.columbiacentral.com/dubya/[^] "The reason we start a war is to fight a war, win a war, thereby causing no more war" - GWB -c
There's one easy way to prove the effectiveness of 'letting the market decide' when it comes to environmental protection. It's spelt 'S-U-V'. --Holgate, from Plastic
The inability to speak in public does not make you moron. Heck, the man may be brilliant when you sit and talk with him.
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OK, since Bush has been labeled a "moron", I was curious to know if there are any great leaders in the world today? It's easy to poke, and its funny and all, but I'd seriously like to know who is a great political leader right now. Cretien? Blair? Schroeder? Hussein? Putin? Mbeki? Jiang? Howard? BW "I'm coming with you! I got you fired, it's the least I can do. Well, the least I could do is absolutely nothing, but I'll go you one better and come along!" - Homer J. Simpson
You're always a moron for somebody else :)
Ohé Partisans, Ouvriers et Paysans C'est l'alarme! Le Chant des Partisans
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hmmmmm I'm not sure. Maybe there should be 2 arrows, one for each Michel It is a lovely language, but it takes a very long time to say anything in it, because we do not say anything in it, unless it is worth taking a very long time to say, and to listen to.
- TreeBeardMichel Prévost wrote: Maybe there should be 2 arrows, one for each It would have been the funniest :-D
Ohé Partisans, Ouvriers et Paysans C'est l'alarme! Le Chant des Partisans
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The inability to speak in public does not make you moron. Heck, the man may be brilliant when you sit and talk with him.
Jason Henderson
start page ; articles henderson is coming henderson is an opponent's worst nightmare * googlism *Jason Henderson wrote: The inability to speak in public does not make you moron. true. but it certainly doesn't make you look like a brilliant intellect, either. my posting of that link was in reply to Stan's assertion that the world thinks GWB's a moron because "so many people around the world want to be ruled by a benevolent dictator". i merely presented what i feel is a much more compelling reason to think he's a moron a few quarts low. -c
There's one easy way to prove the effectiveness of 'letting the market decide' when it comes to environmental protection. It's spelt 'S-U-V'. --Holgate, from Plastic
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Sounds like a smart fellow. And knighted, I see. With the exeption of a much debated Bush, no one named a single leader who is currently in office. pretty scary stuff. BW "I'm coming with you! I got you fired, it's the least I can do. Well, the least I could do is absolutely nothing, but I'll go you one better and come along!" - Homer J. Simpson
brianwelsch wrote: With the exeption of a much debated Bush, no one named a single leader who is currently in office. pretty scary stuff Whilst I never like Muldoon, ( He looked like a goblin ) I really only realized how smart he was after he was replaced and the following collection of politicians displayed symptoms of being wombats suffering from dehydration. Possibly only on reflection will we see how a leader was truly smart. Tricky Dick Nixon from all accounts was very smart when not suffering from delusions. To have the charisma to become a leader and to be smart as well seems to be really rare. Possibly in the past when the media was more "pliable" some leaders faults were easily covered. Nowdays we can put leaders under a lot of scrutiny. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.
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Mike Mullikin wrote: you have not held others to the same standard you hold Bush where did i do that? -c
There's one easy way to prove the effectiveness of 'letting the market decide' when it comes to environmental protection. It's spelt 'S-U-V'. --Holgate, from Plastic
Chris Losinger wrote: where did i do that? OK, fair enough. Poor choice of words on my part. IMO you hold GW Bush to an impossibly high standard and I don't remember you holding any other world leader (especially liberal ones) to the same standard. Mike Mullikin :beer:
Well, I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation. - David St. Hubbins, Spinal Tap
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Chris Losinger wrote: where did i do that? OK, fair enough. Poor choice of words on my part. IMO you hold GW Bush to an impossibly high standard and I don't remember you holding any other world leader (especially liberal ones) to the same standard. Mike Mullikin :beer:
Well, I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation. - David St. Hubbins, Spinal Tap
Mike Mullikin wrote: IMO you hold GW Bush to an impossibly high standard the highest possible. he is in charge of the world's strongest military, the world's strongest economy and the country where i live. Mike Mullikin wrote: I don't remember you holding any other world leader (especially liberal ones) to the same standard as soon as i get the chance, i will. :beer: -c
There's one easy way to prove the effectiveness of 'letting the market decide' when it comes to environmental protection. It's spelt 'S-U-V'. --Holgate, from Plastic
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Stan Shannon wrote: but not when it is abused to secure a leftest social agenda? err.. WTF are you talking about? the 4th amendment is now a "leftist social agenda" ? Stan Shannon wrote: If we are not willing to see your government militarily eliminate the terrorist threat of the middle east i'll say it again: israel, russia, UK. have their militaries stopped the "terrorist threat"? they've been at it a lot longer than the US has. -c
There's one easy way to prove the effectiveness of 'letting the market decide' when it comes to environmental protection. It's spelt 'S-U-V'. --Holgate, from Plastic
Chris Losinger wrote: err.. WTF are you talking about? the 4th amendment is now a "leftist social agenda" ? No, but the 14th certainly has become that. I am as concerned about the Bush administration's behavior as anyone, but criticism from the left on that score is absurd. Any group that could swallow the constitutional travesty of Roe V Wade shouldn't choke on a small bit of the 4th amendment. Chris Losinger wrote: i'll say it again: israel, russia, UK. have their militaries stopped the "terrorist threat"? they've been at it a lot longer than the US has. Well, fine. So, I will ask again, what are we supposed to do if we cannot defeat them and our legal system prevents us from taking actions domestically? Join them? Give up? Hire Islamic consultants to overhaul our civilization? What? Besides, I have never believed that anyone can defeat terrorism as long as it is treated as terrorism. If, instead, you confront those governments and societies which are ultimately responsible for terrors organizational structure and destroy them, the organized terror will be destroyed along with them. Will that end terrorism? No, but it will end armies of organized terrorist roaming the globe at will. If you are not willing to do that, than you had better quit worrying about the 4th amendment. It's a moot point. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle
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Chris Losinger wrote: err.. WTF are you talking about? the 4th amendment is now a "leftist social agenda" ? No, but the 14th certainly has become that. I am as concerned about the Bush administration's behavior as anyone, but criticism from the left on that score is absurd. Any group that could swallow the constitutional travesty of Roe V Wade shouldn't choke on a small bit of the 4th amendment. Chris Losinger wrote: i'll say it again: israel, russia, UK. have their militaries stopped the "terrorist threat"? they've been at it a lot longer than the US has. Well, fine. So, I will ask again, what are we supposed to do if we cannot defeat them and our legal system prevents us from taking actions domestically? Join them? Give up? Hire Islamic consultants to overhaul our civilization? What? Besides, I have never believed that anyone can defeat terrorism as long as it is treated as terrorism. If, instead, you confront those governments and societies which are ultimately responsible for terrors organizational structure and destroy them, the organized terror will be destroyed along with them. Will that end terrorism? No, but it will end armies of organized terrorist roaming the globe at will. If you are not willing to do that, than you had better quit worrying about the 4th amendment. It's a moot point. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle
Stan Shannon wrote: criticism from the left on that score is absurd. Any group that could swallow the constitutional travesty of Roe V Wade shouldn't choke on a small bit of the 4th amendment it's all partisan with you, isn't it? as long as there's a "left" to blame for something, the rest of us can just suck it up and enjoy our police state. Stan Shannon wrote: what are we supposed to do if we cannot defeat them and our legal system prevents us from taking actions domestically? well, we could go after the places we know support terrorism, instead of dicking around with unnecessary invasions of countries that we know aren't supporting terrorism. GWB's been screwing around for over a year and Saudi Arabia is still happily send money to OBL's gang. GWB's priorities are misplaced. -c
There's one easy way to prove the effectiveness of 'letting the market decide' when it comes to environmental protection. It's spelt 'S-U-V'. --Holgate, from Plastic
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Stan Shannon wrote: criticism from the left on that score is absurd. Any group that could swallow the constitutional travesty of Roe V Wade shouldn't choke on a small bit of the 4th amendment it's all partisan with you, isn't it? as long as there's a "left" to blame for something, the rest of us can just suck it up and enjoy our police state. Stan Shannon wrote: what are we supposed to do if we cannot defeat them and our legal system prevents us from taking actions domestically? well, we could go after the places we know support terrorism, instead of dicking around with unnecessary invasions of countries that we know aren't supporting terrorism. GWB's been screwing around for over a year and Saudi Arabia is still happily send money to OBL's gang. GWB's priorities are misplaced. -c
There's one easy way to prove the effectiveness of 'letting the market decide' when it comes to environmental protection. It's spelt 'S-U-V'. --Holgate, from Plastic
Chris Losinger wrote: well, we could go after the places we know support terrorism, instead of dicking around with unnecessary invasions of countries that we know aren't supporting terrorism. GWB's been screwing around for over a year and Saudi Arabia is still happily send money to OBL's gang. GWB's priorities are misplaced. On that we agree completely. Although I would be amazed if Hussein were not up to his elbows in the support of terrorism, the Saudi's are clearly the cornerstone of support for Islamic terrorism. The faster we go for the juggler the sooner this crap will be over. Still, I find it hard to blame Bush on this score. If he were to even hint that Saudi Arabia was in our sights it would send our allies packing and the international economy into a tail spin. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle