Another tale of airport security failure
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So I'm getting on the plane and going through security with the wife and we get through when she notices that her boarding pass is my connecting flight's boarding pass. They never looked at the name on the boarding pass, just initialed it. It brought back memories of how by boss got a 5" knife through security in his carry on right after 9/11 and we're all still paying $10 a ticket for security theater. I just wish they'd hand out popcorn or something since we have all bought tickets every time we fly.
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
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So I'm getting on the plane and going through security with the wife and we get through when she notices that her boarding pass is my connecting flight's boarding pass. They never looked at the name on the boarding pass, just initialed it. It brought back memories of how by boss got a 5" knife through security in his carry on right after 9/11 and we're all still paying $10 a ticket for security theater. I just wish they'd hand out popcorn or something since we have all bought tickets every time we fly.
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
Yes... It always amazes me that you are forbidden to take your nail-cutter with you but then they give you a full metal knife to eat... PS: I know that typically it is a plastic one, but sometimes it is a metallic one... :wtf:
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Yes... It always amazes me that you are forbidden to take your nail-cutter with you but then they give you a full metal knife to eat... PS: I know that typically it is a plastic one, but sometimes it is a metallic one... :wtf:
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Joan Murt wrote:
they give you a full metal knife to eat...
And small bottles of wine. Smash, slash, dead pilot...
Dr D Evans "The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s" financialpost
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Joan Murt wrote:
they give you a full metal knife to eat...
And small bottles of wine. Smash, slash, dead pilot...
Dr D Evans "The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s" financialpost
The cockpit doors are supposed to be locked from the inside, but then that just means the stewardesses get it instead.
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
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So I'm getting on the plane and going through security with the wife and we get through when she notices that her boarding pass is my connecting flight's boarding pass. They never looked at the name on the boarding pass, just initialed it. It brought back memories of how by boss got a 5" knife through security in his carry on right after 9/11 and we're all still paying $10 a ticket for security theater. I just wish they'd hand out popcorn or something since we have all bought tickets every time we fly.
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
well in reality, to give an example of alternate ways to do bad things. I personally am 6'3" tall, about 280 lbs and mostly muscle. A little extra padding with age(about 10 lbs) but mostly still solid. I am also, lets say, very capable of doing massive damage with no weapons whatsoever. Cockpit cabin doors are not really that strongly built I'm quite confident that I could get through one if I really wanted to. Now picture somebody of my size with even far more fighting skills bent on terror. This somebody knows how to fly a plane at least the basics of navigating it. obviously landing is not the issue in this particular case.. This person takes flight on a smallish plane(fewer passengers to combat) and just physically takes it over and does horrible things with it. All that "security" amounted to diddly squat. Now I know this is a reach but then again, is it? Granted sniffing for bombs, guns etc, is perfectly legitimate. but the extents they have gone to in this country I personally believe to be a "dog and pony show" as we called it back when I was in the Army. Looks good on paper for the politicians, but then the jobs get staffed by thugs on power trips and you have the current state of affairs in our "security" at the airports. Six year olds getting groped, a 5 year old taken OUT OF SIGHT of her parents to be searched and the list goes on. And god forbid that I forgot to take my nail clippers out of my pocket where they stay 12 months out of the year normally. Expensive items getting stolen(its in the news on a regular basis and proven and convicted, not just alleged.), peoples lives disrupted for no good reason other than the "I have a badge" mentality. And I did not use the word thugs lightly either. I have personally met(attended school with) some of the TSA employees in Memphis International. The word thugs and walking attitude would be the good things to say about them. I'm quite sure(before I get shot at here) that there are some wonderful people working for the TSA who are only hellbent on doing their job and getting people on those planes. I'm just as sure there are about as many hellbent on being the biggest jackass they can simply because they can get away with it.
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Joan Murt wrote:
they give you a full metal knife to eat...
And small bottles of wine. Smash, slash, dead pilot...
Dr D Evans "The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s" financialpost
Well, first you must have been able to get onboard with your bazooka to open the cabin door, but then, of course you can kill the pilot with those bottles... :laugh:
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So I'm getting on the plane and going through security with the wife and we get through when she notices that her boarding pass is my connecting flight's boarding pass. They never looked at the name on the boarding pass, just initialed it. It brought back memories of how by boss got a 5" knife through security in his carry on right after 9/11 and we're all still paying $10 a ticket for security theater. I just wish they'd hand out popcorn or something since we have all bought tickets every time we fly.
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
Why have you posted this in the soapbox? :confused:
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Why have you posted this in the soapbox? :confused:
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maybe he posted here because that was his version of a polite rant(very polite but still) about the effectiveness :-D of security?
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Well, first you must have been able to get onboard with your bazooka to open the cabin door, but then, of course you can kill the pilot with those bottles... :laugh:
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You could cut through it with the metal knife of course. Or just put on the hostess uniform, knock on the door and say "coffee captain?"
Dr D Evans "The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s" financialpost
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well in reality, to give an example of alternate ways to do bad things. I personally am 6'3" tall, about 280 lbs and mostly muscle. A little extra padding with age(about 10 lbs) but mostly still solid. I am also, lets say, very capable of doing massive damage with no weapons whatsoever. Cockpit cabin doors are not really that strongly built I'm quite confident that I could get through one if I really wanted to. Now picture somebody of my size with even far more fighting skills bent on terror. This somebody knows how to fly a plane at least the basics of navigating it. obviously landing is not the issue in this particular case.. This person takes flight on a smallish plane(fewer passengers to combat) and just physically takes it over and does horrible things with it. All that "security" amounted to diddly squat. Now I know this is a reach but then again, is it? Granted sniffing for bombs, guns etc, is perfectly legitimate. but the extents they have gone to in this country I personally believe to be a "dog and pony show" as we called it back when I was in the Army. Looks good on paper for the politicians, but then the jobs get staffed by thugs on power trips and you have the current state of affairs in our "security" at the airports. Six year olds getting groped, a 5 year old taken OUT OF SIGHT of her parents to be searched and the list goes on. And god forbid that I forgot to take my nail clippers out of my pocket where they stay 12 months out of the year normally. Expensive items getting stolen(its in the news on a regular basis and proven and convicted, not just alleged.), peoples lives disrupted for no good reason other than the "I have a badge" mentality. And I did not use the word thugs lightly either. I have personally met(attended school with) some of the TSA employees in Memphis International. The word thugs and walking attitude would be the good things to say about them. I'm quite sure(before I get shot at here) that there are some wonderful people working for the TSA who are only hellbent on doing their job and getting people on those planes. I'm just as sure there are about as many hellbent on being the biggest jackass they can simply because they can get away with it.
Programming is a race between programmers trying to build bigger and better idiot proof programs, and the universe trying to build bigger and better idiots, so far... the universe is winning.
6' 4" and 250 lbs! (A bit of padding too) Its a shame you have that problem with TSA staff, in Europe they are all, to a man and woman, professional, polite, and firm. They do a crucial job, and I want to help them as much as possible. As a wise man once said in respect of planes: "it is better to be down here wishing you were up there, than up there wishing you were down there". And I really dopnt want to be on a plane with a bomb, or some psycho. And of course I dont understand passenegrs who dont feel the same and who dont cooperate fully and happilly with the security staff.
Dr D Evans "The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s" financialpost
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Why have you posted this in the soapbox? :confused:
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Hey, have you seen whats happening to reasonable posts in the Lounge lately! Oy vey! And they were only about inflation! ;) -- edit -- One voter, get a sense of humour for gods sake.
Dr D Evans "The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s" financialpost
modified on Thursday, May 12, 2011 11:50 AM
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6' 4" and 250 lbs! (A bit of padding too) Its a shame you have that problem with TSA staff, in Europe they are all, to a man and woman, professional, polite, and firm. They do a crucial job, and I want to help them as much as possible. As a wise man once said in respect of planes: "it is better to be down here wishing you were up there, than up there wishing you were down there". And I really dopnt want to be on a plane with a bomb, or some psycho. And of course I dont understand passenegrs who dont feel the same and who dont cooperate fully and happilly with the security staff.
Dr D Evans "The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s" financialpost
keep in mind that I am only talking about stateside TSA. I have not been overseas in years and certainly not since 9/11 and the whole extra security fiasco began, therefore have no direct knowledge of TSA staff in other countries(or their counterparts). And again, I'm sure there are many nice and professional TSA staff here in the States as well. I just know that there are far to many of the other variety and it puts the whole shebang as suspect as a result. Many TSA staff complain that its the rude passengers that cause the issues, in some cases I'm absolutely sure this is true as humans by nature in this country tend to be rude and self centered nowadays. However, there are many many cases of say.. a passenger asks a simple question and gets loudly and violently cussed out by the TSA thug. add in the other things listed above and the very long list of transgressions by people working for the TSA, its a very suspect organization in this country and people will certainly be suspicious and less tolerant of them now. I personally would question any move they made if I had to travel by air and would watch their every move like a hawk. As I said in the other post, I have no problem with the security in and of itself. I question how effective the TSA actually are in preventing these things. After all how many cases of underwear bombs, explosives on cargo planes etc.. have occurred in very recent months? Patting down the 6 year olds didn't seem to have any effect on that traffic at all.
Programming is a race between programmers trying to build bigger and better idiot proof programs, and the universe trying to build bigger and better idiots, so far... the universe is winning.
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So I'm getting on the plane and going through security with the wife and we get through when she notices that her boarding pass is my connecting flight's boarding pass. They never looked at the name on the boarding pass, just initialed it. It brought back memories of how by boss got a 5" knife through security in his carry on right after 9/11 and we're all still paying $10 a ticket for security theater. I just wish they'd hand out popcorn or something since we have all bought tickets every time we fly.
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
My favorite security screening was one I underwent at a rock concert. I got to the front of the line to get in and they had a sign saying no knives or weapons of any kind. The security monkeys were having people empty their pockets and then patting them down. But when you emptied your pockets you held your items in hand while they patted. So I had my wallet in one hand and my keys and Buck knife in the other. Pat-pat, no weapons here, they sent me on in. Good job guys. Every security system has holes somewhere. As George Carlin used to say it "only provides the illusion of safety."
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well in reality, to give an example of alternate ways to do bad things. I personally am 6'3" tall, about 280 lbs and mostly muscle. A little extra padding with age(about 10 lbs) but mostly still solid. I am also, lets say, very capable of doing massive damage with no weapons whatsoever. Cockpit cabin doors are not really that strongly built I'm quite confident that I could get through one if I really wanted to. Now picture somebody of my size with even far more fighting skills bent on terror. This somebody knows how to fly a plane at least the basics of navigating it. obviously landing is not the issue in this particular case.. This person takes flight on a smallish plane(fewer passengers to combat) and just physically takes it over and does horrible things with it. All that "security" amounted to diddly squat. Now I know this is a reach but then again, is it? Granted sniffing for bombs, guns etc, is perfectly legitimate. but the extents they have gone to in this country I personally believe to be a "dog and pony show" as we called it back when I was in the Army. Looks good on paper for the politicians, but then the jobs get staffed by thugs on power trips and you have the current state of affairs in our "security" at the airports. Six year olds getting groped, a 5 year old taken OUT OF SIGHT of her parents to be searched and the list goes on. And god forbid that I forgot to take my nail clippers out of my pocket where they stay 12 months out of the year normally. Expensive items getting stolen(its in the news on a regular basis and proven and convicted, not just alleged.), peoples lives disrupted for no good reason other than the "I have a badge" mentality. And I did not use the word thugs lightly either. I have personally met(attended school with) some of the TSA employees in Memphis International. The word thugs and walking attitude would be the good things to say about them. I'm quite sure(before I get shot at here) that there are some wonderful people working for the TSA who are only hellbent on doing their job and getting people on those planes. I'm just as sure there are about as many hellbent on being the biggest jackass they can simply because they can get away with it.
Programming is a race between programmers trying to build bigger and better idiot proof programs, and the universe trying to build bigger and better idiots, so far... the universe is winning.
gavindon wrote:
Looks good on paper for the politicians,
Politicians, hmmmmm..., If they had to put up with being groped and searched as we do then maybe things would change. I carry a pocket knife and have to remember to leave it at home, which makes me feel like I am missing something. Note I could not fight my way out of a wet paper bag. Your point of a trained person, do not most reports start "He was trained in...". Thus a little hand to hand training and many things could be used as weapons. Sorry for the rant. I do not even fly that often.
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You could cut through it with the metal knife of course. Or just put on the hostess uniform, knock on the door and say "coffee captain?"
Dr D Evans "The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s" financialpost
Why you need a hostess uniform to do this, they will open the door anyway? Or just for style? :-D
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So I'm getting on the plane and going through security with the wife and we get through when she notices that her boarding pass is my connecting flight's boarding pass. They never looked at the name on the boarding pass, just initialed it. It brought back memories of how by boss got a 5" knife through security in his carry on right after 9/11 and we're all still paying $10 a ticket for security theater. I just wish they'd hand out popcorn or something since we have all bought tickets every time we fly.
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
Pilots be packin' anyway....
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Why have you posted this in the soapbox? :confused:
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It didn't quite seem like backroom material, but could get pretty testing between people here. I could see a flame war cropping up.
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
modified on Friday, May 13, 2011 9:23 AM
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Hey, have you seen whats happening to reasonable posts in the Lounge lately! Oy vey! And they were only about inflation! ;) -- edit -- One voter, get a sense of humour for gods sake.
Dr D Evans "The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s" financialpost
modified on Thursday, May 12, 2011 11:50 AM
:rolleyes:
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It didn't quite seem like backroom material, but could get pretty testing between people here. I could see a flame war cropping up.
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
modified on Friday, May 13, 2011 9:23 AM
Probably you are right... ;)
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Why you need a hostess uniform to do this, they will open the door anyway? Or just for style? :-D
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