PTSD: I don't know about you but...
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I get PTSD from waking up every morning and having to come in to work. PTSD from bullies?[^] Joking aside, I can understand getting PTSD from combat, tragic and horrifying experiences such as accidents or life threatening situations but from bullies...I just don't know.
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I get PTSD from waking up every morning and having to come in to work. PTSD from bullies?[^] Joking aside, I can understand getting PTSD from combat, tragic and horrifying experiences such as accidents or life threatening situations but from bullies...I just don't know.
-- ** You don't hire a handyman to build a house, you hire a carpenter. ** Jack of all trades and master of none.
It has a medical definition that is not related to popular conceptions about how it is caused so anything that causes psychological trauma, be it a single event or a series of events, can, I guess, cause PTSD. Think it has something to do with physical changes that occur in the brain in response to the trauma. Bullying is a strange thing, it takes place in almost every environment where people interact to some degree, and is probably necessary for social development of children, but at its extreme it can, and does, drive people to terrible places and mental health problems or suicide.
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It has a medical definition that is not related to popular conceptions about how it is caused so anything that causes psychological trauma, be it a single event or a series of events, can, I guess, cause PTSD. Think it has something to do with physical changes that occur in the brain in response to the trauma. Bullying is a strange thing, it takes place in almost every environment where people interact to some degree, and is probably necessary for social development of children, but at its extreme it can, and does, drive people to terrible places and mental health problems or suicide.
Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.
I see what you are saying but I still have a problem with it (bullying causing PTSD); something for me to think about I guess.
-- ** You don't hire a handyman to build a house, you hire a carpenter. ** Jack of all trades and master of none.
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I see what you are saying but I still have a problem with it (bullying causing PTSD); something for me to think about I guess.
-- ** You don't hire a handyman to build a house, you hire a carpenter. ** Jack of all trades and master of none.
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I see what you are saying but I still have a problem with it (bullying causing PTSD); something for me to think about I guess.
-- ** You don't hire a handyman to build a house, you hire a carpenter. ** Jack of all trades and master of none.
Probably because it is mostly closely associated with war vets and the original research followed the Vietnam War with most media attention on those suffering after the first war in Iraq. Some animals show signs of having it, although again mostly animals used in war I think.
Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.
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I get PTSD from waking up every morning and having to come in to work. PTSD from bullies?[^] Joking aside, I can understand getting PTSD from combat, tragic and horrifying experiences such as accidents or life threatening situations but from bullies...I just don't know.
-- ** You don't hire a handyman to build a house, you hire a carpenter. ** Jack of all trades and master of none.
I dunno, it kind of seems to make sense to me... The trauma that causes PTSD doesn't have to be life-threatening... If you're getting bullied by the same person all the time, it could seem like an inescapable situation. I think it's about the mind working too hard to avoid certain stimuli. Don't care to air my personal life on here, but let's just say I've gone through something that wasn't at all life-threatening, but did cause PTSD-like symptoms for a couple years after I managed to remove myself from the situation. Still hits me sometimes, but not as often or as strongly as it used to.
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I dunno, it kind of seems to make sense to me... The trauma that causes PTSD doesn't have to be life-threatening... If you're getting bullied by the same person all the time, it could seem like an inescapable situation. I think it's about the mind working too hard to avoid certain stimuli. Don't care to air my personal life on here, but let's just say I've gone through something that wasn't at all life-threatening, but did cause PTSD-like symptoms for a couple years after I managed to remove myself from the situation. Still hits me sometimes, but not as often or as strongly as it used to.
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Ian Shlasko wrote:
The trauma that causes PTSD doesn't have to be life-threatening
You make a good point. I would then say that the "PTSD" is relative to the individual person experiencing it and not reliant on a set formula or pattern. As Trollslayer mentioned earlier, if the "bullying" is severe enough (in the mind of the affected person) then that could trigger PTSD I would guess. All Good points. I only questioned this initially because I have been through many traumatic events including combat situations and I, personally, don't suffer from PTSD (I'm lucky). I know vets that have been diagnosed with PTSD and I would not question this based on what they have been through. I was bullied when growing up as a child and although I didn't like what was happening to me and I eventually fought back (problem solved), I was not "traumatized". Interesting.
-- ** You don't hire a handyman to build a house, you hire a carpenter. ** Jack of all trades and master of none.
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
The trauma that causes PTSD doesn't have to be life-threatening
You make a good point. I would then say that the "PTSD" is relative to the individual person experiencing it and not reliant on a set formula or pattern. As Trollslayer mentioned earlier, if the "bullying" is severe enough (in the mind of the affected person) then that could trigger PTSD I would guess. All Good points. I only questioned this initially because I have been through many traumatic events including combat situations and I, personally, don't suffer from PTSD (I'm lucky). I know vets that have been diagnosed with PTSD and I would not question this based on what they have been through. I was bullied when growing up as a child and although I didn't like what was happening to me and I eventually fought back (problem solved), I was not "traumatized". Interesting.
-- ** You don't hire a handyman to build a house, you hire a carpenter. ** Jack of all trades and master of none.
Well, I'm no psychologist, so this is just my take on things, but... I think there are might be two factors at work here: 1) How bad the situation seems, in relation to "normal" life: If you've always been, say, an outdoors type, getting lost in the wilderness might just be a minor annoyance. If you grew up in the city and this is your first time away from civilization, it may be panic-inducing. 2) The sense of the situation being short- or long-term: The basic perception of it, not the reality or even the conscious assessment of it. If the situation feels inescapable, like you might spend the rest of your life in it, it would affect you more. If it feels temporary, like you just have to get through it and go home after, it wouldn't be such a big deal.
Slacker007 wrote:
I only questioned this initially because I have been through many traumatic events including combat situations and I, personally, don't suffer from PTSD (I'm lucky). I know vets that have been diagnosed with PTSD and I would not question this based on what they have been through.
I think some people are better at coping with that kind of situation than others, maybe because of past experience, so might be just fine... And as for the term, you might look at it like "I do my tour and go home in a few months," or like "Please, please let me survive until my tour ends".
Slacker007 wrote:
I was bullied when growing up as a child and although I didn't like what was happening to me and I eventually fought back (problem solved), I was not "traumatized".
Same for me... All it took was a little martial arts training and a change in attitude, and I was fine. I don't remember much of that part of my life, so not sure how strongly it was affecting me.
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
The trauma that causes PTSD doesn't have to be life-threatening
You make a good point. I would then say that the "PTSD" is relative to the individual person experiencing it and not reliant on a set formula or pattern. As Trollslayer mentioned earlier, if the "bullying" is severe enough (in the mind of the affected person) then that could trigger PTSD I would guess. All Good points. I only questioned this initially because I have been through many traumatic events including combat situations and I, personally, don't suffer from PTSD (I'm lucky). I know vets that have been diagnosed with PTSD and I would not question this based on what they have been through. I was bullied when growing up as a child and although I didn't like what was happening to me and I eventually fought back (problem solved), I was not "traumatized". Interesting.
-- ** You don't hire a handyman to build a house, you hire a carpenter. ** Jack of all trades and master of none.
I certainly think it is dependent on the person experience the trauma. My ex-wife suffers from PTSD due to childhood abuse but I know another person that suffer from it as well and the abuse he experienced (actually bullied as a child) is far less severe (in my opinion anyway). People react to things differently. Our brains are wired differently. Believe me I know about this shit. I spent many hours and dollars on therapy for the wife due to her PTSD!!
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I get PTSD from waking up every morning and having to come in to work. PTSD from bullies?[^] Joking aside, I can understand getting PTSD from combat, tragic and horrifying experiences such as accidents or life threatening situations but from bullies...I just don't know.
-- ** You don't hire a handyman to build a house, you hire a carpenter. ** Jack of all trades and master of none.
There are very specific criteria that most PTSD wannabees don't meet. The diagnostic criteria for PTSD, stipulated in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders: 'A: Exposure to a traumatic event This must have involved both (a) loss of "physical integrity", or risk of serious injury or death, to self or others, and (b) a response to the event that involved intense fear, horror or helplessness (or in children, the response must involve disorganized or agitated behavior). (The DSM-IV-TR criterion differs substantially from the previous DSM-III-R stressor criterion, which specified the traumatic event should be of a type that would cause "significant symptoms of distress in almost anyone," and that the event was "outside the range of usual human experience.") B: Persistent re-experiencing One or more of these must be present in the victim: flashback memories, recurring distressing dreams, subjective re-experiencing of the traumatic event(s), or intense negative psychological or physiological response to any objective or subjective reminder of the traumatic event(s). C: Persistent avoidance and emotional numbing This involves a sufficient level of: avoidance of stimuli associated with the trauma, such as certain thoughts or feelings, or talking about the event(s); avoidance of behaviors, places, or people that might lead to distressing memories; inability to recall major parts of the trauma(s), or decreased involvement in significant life activities; decreased capacity (down to complete inability) to feel certain feelings; an expectation that one's future will be somehow constrained in ways not normal to other people. D: Persistent symptoms of increased arousal not present before These are all physiological response issues, such as difficulty falling or staying asleep, or problems with anger, concentration, or hypervigilance. E: Duration of symptoms for more than 1 month If all other criteria are present, but 30 days have not elapsed, the individual is diagnosed with Acute stress disorder. F: Significant impairment The symptoms reported must lead to "clinically significant distress or impairment" of major domains of life activity, such as social relations, occupational activities, or other "important areas of functioning".' However, just like child abuse in the '90's PTSD is the fad psychiatric problem of the decade. It's just really kewl to claim you had it (but overcame it through your superior willpower.)
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