Happy Memorial Day, America
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As have a load of my friends, Signals, 42 Comando, Paras, D&Ds. They all did it because it was fun, and they were young, and not one of them did it to serve or to protect. I dont knock them, they arent assholes, and I have no reason to think they would commit attrocities, but you cant elevate the role of a soldier to something noble, and you cant blanket award all soldiers with the mantle of protecting the rights of the civilions. Where did you fight by the way, what action have you seen?
Dr D Evans "The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s" financialpost
fat_boy wrote:
As have a load of my friends, Signals, 42 Comando, Paras, D&Ds. They all did it because it was fun,
I find that hard to believe. Not one of them, not one, did it for another reason other than "fun"? You seem to have a lot of friends that have been or are in the military for such an anti-military person. Just an observation.
fat_boy wrote:
but you cant elevate the role of a soldier to something noble
What an ignorant thing to say. How would you defend your country...with your guitar and your nauseating weather reports?
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You have absoloutely no idea. Take a look at Bosnia. Take a look at Eastern Europe in WWII. You think there is any kind of nobility in soldiering?
Dr D Evans "The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s" financialpost
fat_boy wrote:
ou think there is any kind of nobility in soldiering?
Their is nobility and honor when you are "defending" your country. Many countries had to defend themselves during WW2 and other conflicts/wars. My question to you would be: come up with a better way to defend your country and people without conflict and human sacrifice.
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Most of my mates were in those two. Nothing too serious, there wasnt a great deal of action in GWI for them. Ireland was a policing role and also fairly quiet. I had a Belgium mate in the Flemish Comandos who saw a lot of action in Kosovo, he loved it. :)
Dr D Evans "The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s" financialpost
There speaks the voice of inexperience. "Ireland was a policing role". I suggest before opening your mouth on that subject, you dress in a British Army Uniform and wander around Belfast. Let's see how long you last before someone shoots you dead. (And I mean today, not 25 years ago in the height of The Troubles)
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Dalek Dave wrote:
but never belittle or insult the soldier.
And just how does "Idolising or reviling the military is stupid." belittle or insult the soldier? The 'poem' is simplistic cack. Generally speaking, whether your country has all those freedoms and rights, or is a dictatorship, the military will defend it. That is the job of the military, to preserve the Nation.
Dalek Dave wrote:
I served, I fought, what did you do? Cower behind your mother's apron strings?
The 'contempt for civilians' indoctrination was pretty effective in your case, it appears.
Dalek Dave wrote:
you are both a Coward and a Fool.
Mummy says that I am vewy bwave and vewy clever, so there.
Everybody is elitist to a certain extent; except me - I'm better than that. Micah
ict558 wrote:
Mummy says that I am vewy bwave and vewy clever, so there.
I suspect that you went home after school and asked her.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
but never belittle or insult the soldier.
And just how does "Idolising or reviling the military is stupid." belittle or insult the soldier? The 'poem' is simplistic cack. Generally speaking, whether your country has all those freedoms and rights, or is a dictatorship, the military will defend it. That is the job of the military, to preserve the Nation.
Dalek Dave wrote:
I served, I fought, what did you do? Cower behind your mother's apron strings?
The 'contempt for civilians' indoctrination was pretty effective in your case, it appears.
Dalek Dave wrote:
you are both a Coward and a Fool.
Mummy says that I am vewy bwave and vewy clever, so there.
Everybody is elitist to a certain extent; except me - I'm better than that. Micah
ict558 wrote:
The 'contempt for civilians' indoctrination was pretty effective in your case, it appears.
Nope, the contempt we learned in the service is for cowards and fools - like you.
ict558 wrote:
Mummy says that I am vewy bwave and vewy clever, so there.
I suspect that you went home after school and asked her.
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.
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Oakman wrote:
It is the soldier, not the minister
Who has given us freedom of religion.And yet it was the minister who broke away from the Catholic Church.
Oakman wrote:
It is the soldier, not the reporter
Who has given us freedom of the press.And yet soldiers are used to repress freedom.
Oakman wrote:
It is the soldier, not the poet
Who has given us freedom of speech.Ditto.
Oakman wrote:
It is the soldier, not the campus organizer
Who has given us freedom to protest.Ditto.
Oakman wrote:
It is the soldier, not the lawyer
Who has given us the right to a fair trial.Actually its law, and its questionable whether justice is fair. and so on. No, its not 'the soldier', its free thinking men, and in your countries history that goes from the Magna Charter through Protestantism, Democracy, the House of Commons, the Abolition of the King, Abolition of Slavery and voting power for Women. All these were done because of freethinking men. Somtimes the desired results were enforced with soldiers, and dont forget resisted with soldiers too, but also by protest.
Dr D Evans "The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s" financialpost
Here's a clue. I'll type real slow: Your 'logic" (to use the term very loosely) bites its own ass. Now it is possible, of course, that you think England isn't worth defending. After all, you live in France, home of the army that surrenders before a shot is fired. But if that's the case, admit it. Or it is possible that you are just afraid of loud noises and you rationalize your cowardice with your incoherent rantings. It is obvious on the face of it that you have no idea what you are talking about. You claim of having lots of friends in the military is laughable.
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.
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There speaks the voice of inexperience. "Ireland was a policing role". I suggest before opening your mouth on that subject, you dress in a British Army Uniform and wander around Belfast. Let's see how long you last before someone shoots you dead. (And I mean today, not 25 years ago in the height of The Troubles)
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Dalek Dave wrote:
I suggest before opening your mouth on that subject, you dress in a British Army Uniform and wander around Belfast.
I think he may have just pissed himself at the thought of someone aiming a gun at him.
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.
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There speaks the voice of inexperience. "Ireland was a policing role". I suggest before opening your mouth on that subject, you dress in a British Army Uniform and wander around Belfast. Let's see how long you last before someone shoots you dead. (And I mean today, not 25 years ago in the height of The Troubles)
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He's consistent but so is d** s***.
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The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.
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You have absoloutely no idea. Take a look at Bosnia. Take a look at Eastern Europe in WWII. You think there is any kind of nobility in soldiering?
Dr D Evans "The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s" financialpost
fat_boy wrote:
You think there is any kind of nobility in soldiering?
A lot more than there is in you, thats for sure.
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.
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Eh, ta guele! Je suis Anglais! ;P
Dr D Evans "The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s" financialpost
Nope, you sold your soul and your balls when you crossed the channel
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.
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There speaks the voice of inexperience. "Ireland was a policing role". I suggest before opening your mouth on that subject, you dress in a British Army Uniform and wander around Belfast. Let's see how long you last before someone shoots you dead. (And I mean today, not 25 years ago in the height of The Troubles)
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Dalek Dave wrote:
"Ireland was a policing role".
I suggest before opening your mouth on that subject, you dress in a British Army Uniform and wander around Belfast.
Let's see how long you last before someone shoots you dead.Hey, Korea was a "police action", too. :laugh:
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Mycroft Holmes wrote:
religion is the greatest culprit for causing misery on the planet
Greed, power, wealth. Thos are the motivating factors, always were, always will be. The Chruch was only ever a player in the game, a game played by Kings and Queens throuought history.
Mycroft Holmes wrote:
soldiers are merely instruments
Who seem to enjoy the grisly task given to them. Easter front, Germany - Russia. What the soldiers as individuals did to anyone they encountered, be it child, womman, monk, or nun was indescribable.
Dr D Evans "The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s" financialpost
fat_boy wrote:
Who seem to enjoy the grisly task given to them. Easter front, Germany - Russia. What the soldiers as individuals did to anyone they encountered, be it child, womman, monk, or nun was indescribable.
I can only suppose that statement is made due to a lack of knowledge or/and a lack of understanding of subject material. And that applies to the history of warfare, history in general and human psychology.
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ict558 wrote:
The 'contempt for civilians' indoctrination was pretty effective in your case, it appears.
Nope, the contempt we learned in the service is for cowards and fools - like you.
ict558 wrote:
Mummy says that I am vewy bwave and vewy clever, so there.
I suspect that you went home after school and asked her.
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.
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Why see it in a positive sentimental light when soldiers have been responsible for pretty much all the worlds misery?
Dr D Evans "The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s" financialpost
fat_boy wrote:
Why see it in a positive sentimental light when soldiers have been responsible for pretty much all the worlds misery?
As stated that demonstrates nothing but ignorance. And ignorance of a wide range of topics as well such as history, politics, economics, sociology and psychology.
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Your mother has Alzheimer's? That explains a lot.
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.
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fat_boy wrote:
Who seem to enjoy the grisly task given to them. Easter front, Germany - Russia. What the soldiers as individuals did to anyone they encountered, be it child, womman, monk, or nun was indescribable.
I can only suppose that statement is made due to a lack of knowledge or/and a lack of understanding of subject material. And that applies to the history of warfare, history in general and human psychology.
jschell wrote:
I can only suppose that statement is made due to a lack of knowledge or/and a lack of understanding of subject material. And that applies to the history of warfare, history in general and human psychology.
for starters ;)
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.
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Your mother has Alzheimer's? That explains a lot.
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.
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It is the soldier, not the minister Who has given us freedom of religion. It is the soldier, not the reporter Who has given us freedom of the press. It is the soldier, not the poet Who has given us freedom of speech. It is the soldier, not the campus organizer Who has given us freedom to protest. It is the soldier, not the lawyer Who has given us the right to a fair trial. It is the soldier, not the politician Who has given us the right to vote. It is the soldier who salutes the flag, Who serves beneath the flag, And whose coffin is draped by the flag, Who allows the protester to burn the flag. ~ Charles M. Province
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.
Well, if it's poetry you want The army had discipline, poise, The guns were remarkable toys, But Barry was gay He joined up today Because they have thousands of boys!
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fat_boy wrote:
As have a load of my friends, Signals, 42 Comando, Paras, D&Ds. They all did it because it was fun,
I find that hard to believe. Not one of them, not one, did it for another reason other than "fun"? You seem to have a lot of friends that have been or are in the military for such an anti-military person. Just an observation.
fat_boy wrote:
but you cant elevate the role of a soldier to something noble
What an ignorant thing to say. How would you defend your country...with your guitar and your nauseating weather reports?
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Slacker007 wrote:
How would you defend your country
I wouldnt, but I would defend my family and friends to the end.
Slacker007 wrote:
I find that hard to believe
Young men like adventure you know.
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