Cost of living
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The main issue really is that if the end user gets a rebate, why would they control their usage ? How can they say what the cost of limiting emissions is, a cost we will also bear ? My reading leads me to believe that the most a carbon tax will do is move the date that we get to any particular PPM by a few months.
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Christian Graus wrote:
The main issue really is that if the end user gets a rebate, why would they control their usage ?
By 'they' do you mean the end user? The answer to that is that they won't - my understanding is that it is the companies paying the tax that are expected to be persuaded to reduce their emissions, and hence their tax liability. In fact, if the tax were to be successful, wouldn't the government be bankrupt? I don't know how they work out which Company pays how much, but I believe it is a price per tonne of CO2 Soo, the govt has surely calculated that Total rebates < (Total CO2 * tax per tonne) But what if the companies being taxed immediately and rapidly reduce their emissions? They'd get to pay no carbon tax but the government would have already committed the money to the populace (buying votes? surely not?) The cost of limiting emissions is obviously guesswork - if a company CAN reduce CO2 emissions then they will presumably do so if the cost of doing so is less than the cost of paying the tax. So unless that figure is known, I understand that the idea is to continually increase the tax until the emissions start to be reduced.
Christian Graus wrote:
the most a carbon tax will do is move the date that we get to any particular PPM by a few months
I don't think anyone expects the Australian implementation to have a massive global effect, do they? What worries me is that the tax is of absolutely no use if an industry cannot reduce its emissions sufficiently to avoid going tits-up - with the tax burden leading to increased prices, leading to lower sales.
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Christian Graus wrote:
weak minded people
Which is why education is almost always the first to be cut. Who in the government wants educated taxpayers?
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Good remark.
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bryce wrote:
it will not make a jot of difference to any planetary climate issues.
Of course not. The best estimates I've read is that it will move when we get to a certain PPM by perhaps 6 months. In other words, no-one is claiming it will change the end result.
bryce wrote:
But, it gets a load more taxpayers on the public teet and that helps ensure votes.
Yes, it's all about increasing the cost of living, then adding rebates, so people are controlled by government.
bryce wrote:
You sir are evil - you earn too much money and some of that needs to be handed out to others.
Precisely - how dare I work hard, or, worse, succeed at it ? I should know everyone is the same, we all have the same abilities and skills, and those earning less have been unfairly held back by the people with money, for their own nefarious ends.
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Christian Graus wrote:
Of course not. The best estimates I've read is that it will move when we get to a certain PPM by perhaps 6 months. In other words, no-one is claiming it will change the end result.
Well when the two biggest carbon emitters in the world either don't care at all; or don't care enough to do more than talk (I'd've much rather seen Obama burn all his political capital on this, than on healthcare 'reform' that completely ignores the issues making our system so expensive in the first place) what do you expect to see happen.
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The death spiral of the USD has been costing me personally for two years now. Sadly my wage has not fallen far enough to get me any sort of rebate on the new 'carbon tax', meaning I will be worse off again. At least I am one of the 10% of people who they say will be impacted. Apparently a carbon tax will save the world and lower emissions, and yet it will do this despite 90% of people being unaffected ( and therefore having no reason to change their carbon usage ). As cows produce more CO2 than cars, why are farmers not taxed ( not that I want them to be, it's an example of the hypocrisy and stupidity of the carbon tax idea ).
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.