This pisses me off, lazy stupid dependent people [modified]
-
Tom Condliff, a 22-stone former policeman trying to persuade a health authority to fund obesity surgery, has started the latest round of his legal battle [^] So this fat chap eats so much, he develops type 2 diabetes, and needs insulin. In order to stay alive longer, he is now taking legal action to force his local helth provider (free UK health service) to carry out a gastric band opperation. So if he wins he gets the surgery time and not someone else with say, kidney disease, a bad hip, or someother necessary operation. And all he has to do is eat less and get some exercise. Fat cunt. Get off your fat dependent lazy arse and do something about it yourself! --edit-- This guy has type 2 diabetes, caused by bad diet. He is currently trying to gain weight so as to pass the BMI limit set by his local health authority in order to qualify for the procedure. I know the article doesnt say this, but I have been following this giuys lame story for a long time.
============================== Nothing to say.
modified on Wednesday, July 13, 2011 6:57 AM
-
Tom Condliff, a 22-stone former policeman trying to persuade a health authority to fund obesity surgery, has started the latest round of his legal battle [^] So this fat chap eats so much, he develops type 2 diabetes, and needs insulin. In order to stay alive longer, he is now taking legal action to force his local helth provider (free UK health service) to carry out a gastric band opperation. So if he wins he gets the surgery time and not someone else with say, kidney disease, a bad hip, or someother necessary operation. And all he has to do is eat less and get some exercise. Fat cunt. Get off your fat dependent lazy arse and do something about it yourself! --edit-- This guy has type 2 diabetes, caused by bad diet. He is currently trying to gain weight so as to pass the BMI limit set by his local health authority in order to qualify for the procedure. I know the article doesnt say this, but I have been following this giuys lame story for a long time.
============================== Nothing to say.
modified on Wednesday, July 13, 2011 6:57 AM
-
Tom Condliff, a 22-stone former policeman trying to persuade a health authority to fund obesity surgery, has started the latest round of his legal battle [^] So this fat chap eats so much, he develops type 2 diabetes, and needs insulin. In order to stay alive longer, he is now taking legal action to force his local helth provider (free UK health service) to carry out a gastric band opperation. So if he wins he gets the surgery time and not someone else with say, kidney disease, a bad hip, or someother necessary operation. And all he has to do is eat less and get some exercise. Fat cunt. Get off your fat dependent lazy arse and do something about it yourself! --edit-- This guy has type 2 diabetes, caused by bad diet. He is currently trying to gain weight so as to pass the BMI limit set by his local health authority in order to qualify for the procedure. I know the article doesnt say this, but I have been following this giuys lame story for a long time.
============================== Nothing to say.
modified on Wednesday, July 13, 2011 6:57 AM
Eric__V wrote:
So this fat chap eats so much, he develops type 2 diabetes, and needs insulin. In order to stay alive longer, he is now taking legal action to force his local helth provider (free UK health service) to carry out a gastric band opperation.
According to a friend who lives in Nova Scotia, in Canada that considered routine (free) health care, although you have to wait awhile for them to schedule it.
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.
-
Tom Condliff, a 22-stone former policeman trying to persuade a health authority to fund obesity surgery, has started the latest round of his legal battle [^] So this fat chap eats so much, he develops type 2 diabetes, and needs insulin. In order to stay alive longer, he is now taking legal action to force his local helth provider (free UK health service) to carry out a gastric band opperation. So if he wins he gets the surgery time and not someone else with say, kidney disease, a bad hip, or someother necessary operation. And all he has to do is eat less and get some exercise. Fat cunt. Get off your fat dependent lazy arse and do something about it yourself! --edit-- This guy has type 2 diabetes, caused by bad diet. He is currently trying to gain weight so as to pass the BMI limit set by his local health authority in order to qualify for the procedure. I know the article doesnt say this, but I have been following this giuys lame story for a long time.
============================== Nothing to say.
modified on Wednesday, July 13, 2011 6:57 AM
Eric__V wrote:
So this fat chap eats so much, he develops type 2 diabetes, and needs insulin
A little googling suggests that you little morality play may be wrong. According to a number of articles on the web, his diabetes predates his weight gain and his weight gain may be the result of his medications.
-
Eric__V wrote:
So this fat chap eats so much, he develops type 2 diabetes, and needs insulin
A little googling suggests that you little morality play may be wrong. According to a number of articles on the web, his diabetes predates his weight gain and his weight gain may be the result of his medications.
A gastric band is not a standard procedure for type 2 diabetes. Watching your diet, exercise and regular blood tests are the recomended interventions for type 2 diabetes. Exercise is important because it helps to control weight gain as well as combat the heart problems that usually come with diabetes - diabetes is not just about blood sugar levels, it affects many of the major organs in the body in one way or other.... Surgery is always a last resort as there are risks involved in surgery - particularly if one is diabetic as there are usually other chronic conditions present such as copd and chd. My guess is that he is refusing to follow the standard and generally very good advice for diabetics - exercise...
Continuous effort - not strength or intelligence - is the key to unlocking our potential.(Winston Churchill)
-
A gastric band is not a standard procedure for type 2 diabetes. Watching your diet, exercise and regular blood tests are the recomended interventions for type 2 diabetes. Exercise is important because it helps to control weight gain as well as combat the heart problems that usually come with diabetes - diabetes is not just about blood sugar levels, it affects many of the major organs in the body in one way or other.... Surgery is always a last resort as there are risks involved in surgery - particularly if one is diabetic as there are usually other chronic conditions present such as copd and chd. My guess is that he is refusing to follow the standard and generally very good advice for diabetics - exercise...
Continuous effort - not strength or intelligence - is the key to unlocking our potential.(Winston Churchill)
From what I have read the man's doctors have recommended the procedure because of his obesity, not his diabetes.
GuyThiebaut wrote:
My guess is that he is refusing to follow the standard and generally very good advice for diabetics - exercise...
I read that he has a phobia of needles and that has hinder his treatment for diabetes, but he has numerous medical problems, and I don't think that you can really put the blame on him. Even if you could say it's all his fault, so what? This whole idea that people don't deserve good health care is beyond disgusting, really.
-
Tom Condliff, a 22-stone former policeman trying to persuade a health authority to fund obesity surgery, has started the latest round of his legal battle [^] So this fat chap eats so much, he develops type 2 diabetes, and needs insulin. In order to stay alive longer, he is now taking legal action to force his local helth provider (free UK health service) to carry out a gastric band opperation. So if he wins he gets the surgery time and not someone else with say, kidney disease, a bad hip, or someother necessary operation. And all he has to do is eat less and get some exercise. Fat cunt. Get off your fat dependent lazy arse and do something about it yourself! --edit-- This guy has type 2 diabetes, caused by bad diet. He is currently trying to gain weight so as to pass the BMI limit set by his local health authority in order to qualify for the procedure. I know the article doesnt say this, but I have been following this giuys lame story for a long time.
============================== Nothing to say.
modified on Wednesday, July 13, 2011 6:57 AM
Eric__V wrote:
So this fat chap eats so much, he develops type 2 diabetes
'This fat chap' developed diabetes as a result of congenital problems. After ultimately finding a satisfactory mode of insulin delivery ..., he developed a voracious appetite and began to gain weight as a result of overeating.
Eric__V wrote:
And all he has to do is eat less and get some exercise.
After trying, unsuccessfully, to lose weight through diet and other conservative interventions, ... consultants advised that laparascopic gastric bypass ... provided the best chance of improvement to his health.
Eric__V wrote:
Fat c***. Get off your fat dependent lazy arse and do something about it yourself!
Now here, in a way, I agree. Given a year to live, I would have the surgery privately (well worth £7,000 with full aftercare), and fight to recover the cost on recovering my health.
Eric__V wrote:
So if he wins he gets the surgery time and not someone else with say, kidney disease, a bad hip, or someother necessary operation.
My hips have probably been damaged by my being a 12 stone distance runner for many years. If I get a 'bad hip' in old age, should I get surgery time? I brought it on myself, after all. By fighting his claim, the Primary Care Trust has diverted large sums of NHS dosh into the pockets of lawyers, which could otherwise be spent on necessary operations. All to avoid a procedure that the Death Panel (or The National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence) recommends for adults with a BMI of 40 or more (or a BMI between 35 and 40 where there are significant co-morbidities). As 'the Fat c***' has a BMI of 43 and an extensive range of co-morbidities including hypertension, obstructive sleep apnoea, and renal impairment, he qualifies on both counts.
ict558 - a Coward and a Fool. Dalek Dave & Hokum (Therefore it must be so, alas.)
-
Tom Condliff, a 22-stone former policeman trying to persuade a health authority to fund obesity surgery, has started the latest round of his legal battle [^] So this fat chap eats so much, he develops type 2 diabetes, and needs insulin. In order to stay alive longer, he is now taking legal action to force his local helth provider (free UK health service) to carry out a gastric band opperation. So if he wins he gets the surgery time and not someone else with say, kidney disease, a bad hip, or someother necessary operation. And all he has to do is eat less and get some exercise. Fat cunt. Get off your fat dependent lazy arse and do something about it yourself! --edit-- This guy has type 2 diabetes, caused by bad diet. He is currently trying to gain weight so as to pass the BMI limit set by his local health authority in order to qualify for the procedure. I know the article doesnt say this, but I have been following this giuys lame story for a long time.
============================== Nothing to say.
modified on Wednesday, July 13, 2011 6:57 AM
Eric__V wrote:
So this fat chap eats so much, he develops type 2 diabetes, and needs insulin.
Its a well known fact and easily looked up if you are ignorant of the facts and still want to pontificate, that insulin can make you hungry all the time, and thus trigger a weight gain. According to what I found out on line, this is pretty much what happened to this guy. So he wasn't fat until he started using the medicine prescribed because he'd developed type 2 diabetes. Perhaps, if he'd had better care or more monitoring from the health care system, he wouldn't be in the shape he's in. But of course, follow-up costs money.
Eric__V wrote:
So if he wins he gets the surgery time and not someone else with say, kidney disease, a bad hip, or someother necessary operation.
If the UK is really rationing health care that tightly, it's time to reconsider universal health care.
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.
-
Eric__V wrote:
So this fat chap eats so much, he develops type 2 diabetes, and needs insulin
A little googling suggests that you little morality play may be wrong. According to a number of articles on the web, his diabetes predates his weight gain and his weight gain may be the result of his medications.
So how will a gastric band help him lose weight if his weight gain is caused not by over eating but by type 2 disbetes (or medcine). :) If what you say is true, whic it isnt, then you just argued against his operation. But lets get this clear, people get fat from eating too much. Period. The calories stored in fat dont materialise out of think air. They get into the body through the mouth. Oh, and its not a morality play, I am not Dave. :) It actually does piss me off.
============================== Nothing to say.
-
A gastric band is not a standard procedure for type 2 diabetes. Watching your diet, exercise and regular blood tests are the recomended interventions for type 2 diabetes. Exercise is important because it helps to control weight gain as well as combat the heart problems that usually come with diabetes - diabetes is not just about blood sugar levels, it affects many of the major organs in the body in one way or other.... Surgery is always a last resort as there are risks involved in surgery - particularly if one is diabetic as there are usually other chronic conditions present such as copd and chd. My guess is that he is refusing to follow the standard and generally very good advice for diabetics - exercise...
Continuous effort - not strength or intelligence - is the key to unlocking our potential.(Winston Churchill)
-
From what I have read the man's doctors have recommended the procedure because of his obesity, not his diabetes.
GuyThiebaut wrote:
My guess is that he is refusing to follow the standard and generally very good advice for diabetics - exercise...
I read that he has a phobia of needles and that has hinder his treatment for diabetes, but he has numerous medical problems, and I don't think that you can really put the blame on him. Even if you could say it's all his fault, so what? This whole idea that people don't deserve good health care is beyond disgusting, really.
But that he should take the place of someone more deserving in the theater? Also, where do you place personal responsibility in all this? One of the problems the west has is lack of personal responsibility.
============================== Nothing to say.
-
But that he should take the place of someone more deserving in the theater? Also, where do you place personal responsibility in all this? One of the problems the west has is lack of personal responsibility.
============================== Nothing to say.
Eric__V wrote:
But that he should take the place of someone more deserving in the theater?
Someone who is born with a pre-disposition to diabetes, whose insulin treatment gives him a voracious appitite that diet and drugs cannot control is less worthy of treatment?
Eric__V wrote:
Also, where do you place personal responsibility in all this?
The eugenicist who failed to abort this defective individual.
Eric__V wrote:
One of the problems the west has is lack of personal responsibility.
I blame Ayn Rand. With a role model like her, of course we are going to rely on the State for Health Care and Social Security.
ict558 - a Coward and a Fool. Dalek Dave & Hokum (Therefore it must be so, alas.)
-
Exactly. And of course type 2 diabetes is caused by a bad diet in the first place, notably sugar abuise.
============================== Nothing to say.
-
So how will a gastric band help him lose weight if his weight gain is caused not by over eating but by type 2 disbetes (or medcine). :) If what you say is true, whic it isnt, then you just argued against his operation. But lets get this clear, people get fat from eating too much. Period. The calories stored in fat dont materialise out of think air. They get into the body through the mouth. Oh, and its not a morality play, I am not Dave. :) It actually does piss me off.
============================== Nothing to say.
Eric__V wrote:
So how will a gastric band help him lose weight if his weight gain is caused not by over eating but by type 2 disbetes (or medcine). :)
If what you say is true, whic it isnt, then you just argued against his operation.Of course his weight gain was caused by over-eating. :rolleyes: Hence the doctor's evidence: After ultimately finding a satisfactory mode of insulin delivery ..., he developed a voracious appetite and began to gain weight as a result of overeating. After trying, unsuccessfully, to lose weight through diet and other conservative interventions, ... consultants advised that laparascopic gastric bypass ... provided the best chance of improvement to his health. So, the hospital's own consultants agreed with his doctor on the need to operate. Back to Med. School for you.
Eric__V wrote:
Fat c***. Get off your fat dependent lazy arse and do something about it yourself!
You have to admire the hack's ability to tailor the story so as to trigger the required knee jerk response. Played you like a fiddle.
ict558 - a Coward and a Fool. Dalek Dave & Hokum (Therefore it must be so, alas.)
-
Eric__V wrote:
But that he should take the place of someone more deserving in the theater?
Someone who is born with a pre-disposition to diabetes, whose insulin treatment gives him a voracious appitite that diet and drugs cannot control is less worthy of treatment?
Eric__V wrote:
Also, where do you place personal responsibility in all this?
The eugenicist who failed to abort this defective individual.
Eric__V wrote:
One of the problems the west has is lack of personal responsibility.
I blame Ayn Rand. With a role model like her, of course we are going to rely on the State for Health Care and Social Security.
ict558 - a Coward and a Fool. Dalek Dave & Hokum (Therefore it must be so, alas.)
-
Eric__V wrote:
type 2 diabetes is caused by a bad diet in the first place
Usually, but, according to the medics, not in this case.
ict558 - a Coward and a Fool. Dalek Dave & Hokum (Therefore it must be so, alas.)
-
Eric__V wrote:
So how will a gastric band help him lose weight if his weight gain is caused not by over eating but by type 2 disbetes (or medcine). :)
If what you say is true, whic it isnt, then you just argued against his operation.Of course his weight gain was caused by over-eating. :rolleyes: Hence the doctor's evidence: After ultimately finding a satisfactory mode of insulin delivery ..., he developed a voracious appetite and began to gain weight as a result of overeating. After trying, unsuccessfully, to lose weight through diet and other conservative interventions, ... consultants advised that laparascopic gastric bypass ... provided the best chance of improvement to his health. So, the hospital's own consultants agreed with his doctor on the need to operate. Back to Med. School for you.
Eric__V wrote:
Fat c***. Get off your fat dependent lazy arse and do something about it yourself!
You have to admire the hack's ability to tailor the story so as to trigger the required knee jerk response. Played you like a fiddle.
ict558 - a Coward and a Fool. Dalek Dave & Hokum (Therefore it must be so, alas.)
ict558 wrote:
You have to admire the hack's ability to tailor the story so as to trigger the required knee jerk response. Played you like a fiddle.
Wrong. I have been following this guys story for many months. For example, he comes fomr Portsmouth. Somethign I learned the first time this came to light. Also, he has started intenetionally getting fatter in order to pass the BMI limit set down by his local health authority in order to qualify for the gastric band. See, I know rather more about this story than you assume. :)
============================== Nothing to say.
-
Eric__V wrote:
So this fat chap eats so much, he develops type 2 diabetes
'This fat chap' developed diabetes as a result of congenital problems. After ultimately finding a satisfactory mode of insulin delivery ..., he developed a voracious appetite and began to gain weight as a result of overeating.
Eric__V wrote:
And all he has to do is eat less and get some exercise.
After trying, unsuccessfully, to lose weight through diet and other conservative interventions, ... consultants advised that laparascopic gastric bypass ... provided the best chance of improvement to his health.
Eric__V wrote:
Fat c***. Get off your fat dependent lazy arse and do something about it yourself!
Now here, in a way, I agree. Given a year to live, I would have the surgery privately (well worth £7,000 with full aftercare), and fight to recover the cost on recovering my health.
Eric__V wrote:
So if he wins he gets the surgery time and not someone else with say, kidney disease, a bad hip, or someother necessary operation.
My hips have probably been damaged by my being a 12 stone distance runner for many years. If I get a 'bad hip' in old age, should I get surgery time? I brought it on myself, after all. By fighting his claim, the Primary Care Trust has diverted large sums of NHS dosh into the pockets of lawyers, which could otherwise be spent on necessary operations. All to avoid a procedure that the Death Panel (or The National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence) recommends for adults with a BMI of 40 or more (or a BMI between 35 and 40 where there are significant co-morbidities). As 'the Fat c***' has a BMI of 43 and an extensive range of co-morbidities including hypertension, obstructive sleep apnoea, and renal impairment, he qualifies on both counts.
ict558 - a Coward and a Fool. Dalek Dave & Hokum (Therefore it must be so, alas.)
-
Eric__V wrote:
So this fat chap eats so much, he develops type 2 diabetes, and needs insulin.
Its a well known fact and easily looked up if you are ignorant of the facts and still want to pontificate, that insulin can make you hungry all the time, and thus trigger a weight gain. According to what I found out on line, this is pretty much what happened to this guy. So he wasn't fat until he started using the medicine prescribed because he'd developed type 2 diabetes. Perhaps, if he'd had better care or more monitoring from the health care system, he wouldn't be in the shape he's in. But of course, follow-up costs money.
Eric__V wrote:
So if he wins he gets the surgery time and not someone else with say, kidney disease, a bad hip, or someother necessary operation.
If the UK is really rationing health care that tightly, it's time to reconsider universal health care.
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.
Sure, if you take too much it will kill blood sugar and give you a raging hunger. Question is, why put that much insulin in your body? After all, it is the diabetic who controls it.
Oakman wrote:
So he wasn't fat until he started using the medicine prescribed because he'd developed type 2 diabetes
You get type 2 diabetes from bad diet. (Unless some accident causes the pancreas to fail). Did you know though that this gut has been intentionally eating to get fat in order to pass the BMI limit set by his local health authority in order to qualify for the gastric band op?
============================== Nothing to say.
-
Sure, if you take too much it will kill blood sugar and give you a raging hunger. Question is, why put that much insulin in your body? After all, it is the diabetic who controls it.
Oakman wrote:
So he wasn't fat until he started using the medicine prescribed because he'd developed type 2 diabetes
You get type 2 diabetes from bad diet. (Unless some accident causes the pancreas to fail). Did you know though that this gut has been intentionally eating to get fat in order to pass the BMI limit set by his local health authority in order to qualify for the gastric band op?
============================== Nothing to say.
Eric__V wrote:
Question is, why put that much insulin in your body? After all, it is the diabetic who controls it.
Not if, for instance, it was a pump. Why don't you read some of the readily available information about this case rather than simply making up stories about it?
Eric__V wrote:
You get type 2 diabetes from bad diet.
You get type 2 diabetes from lots of reasons, including high blood pressure, abnormal cholesterol levels, and heart disease
Eric__V wrote:
Did you know though that this gut has been intentionally eating to get fat in order to pass the BMI limit set by his local health authority in order to qualify for the gastric band op?
Anytime the rules say you have to be a 45 and you are a 44 and your doctor says, too bad you're not a 45 - what would you do?
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.