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  • M Mario Majcica

    And why? I can understand some cases in which you want to make code more compact, as

    List myName = new List();

    to use a

    var myName = new List();

    or as mentioned before in cases that you do not know the return type. But using always var only because of laziness, just pisses me of!

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    RugbyLeague
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    I agree. It has its uses but also its abuses

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    • M Mario Majcica

      I'm so pissed of by var abusers. They do not understand that are making code unreadable, for what, writing var instead of string? Having the same problems in your company? ex.

      var metadataValues = new List<object>();
      foreach (var metadataDefName in metadataDefNames)
      {
      var name = metadataDefName;
      // Search definition with the same name.
      var metadata = metadataCollection.FirstOrDefault(
      metadataDef => String.Equals(metadataDef.MetaData.Name, name, StringComparison.OrdinalIgnoreCase));
      ...

      Cheers!

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      Pete OHanlon
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      Or you are using ReSharper and tell it to autofix the "problems" in your code.

      Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

      My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier - my favourite utility

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      • M Mario Majcica

        I'm so pissed of by var abusers. They do not understand that are making code unreadable, for what, writing var instead of string? Having the same problems in your company? ex.

        var metadataValues = new List<object>();
        foreach (var metadataDefName in metadataDefNames)
        {
        var name = metadataDefName;
        // Search definition with the same name.
        var metadata = metadataCollection.FirstOrDefault(
        metadataDef => String.Equals(metadataDef.MetaData.Name, name, StringComparison.OrdinalIgnoreCase));
        ...

        Cheers!

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        OriginalGriff
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        It's VB creep: The bits of VB that mean that you don't have to think about what you are doing are slowly being introduced to C#. Coming soon: "On Error Resume Next" Then it will be time to go back to C++ because C# will be mostly used by lazy idiots who don't care a fig for maintenance.

        Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together. Manfred R. Bihy: "Looks as if OP is learning resistant."

        "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
        "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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        • P Pete OHanlon

          Or you are using ReSharper and tell it to autofix the "problems" in your code.

          Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

          My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier - my favourite utility

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          Mario Majcica
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          Is there a function in ReSharper that teaches up colleagues not doing it? :) I tried in many ways to explain why of some practices, even tried to make them read the book as http://www.amazon.com/Practical-Guidelines-Practices-Developers-Pro-Developer/dp/0735621721[^] but nothing. The most difficult think is to convince people to change! But without the passion for your job, it is a difficult task (to change).

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          • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

            It's VB creep: The bits of VB that mean that you don't have to think about what you are doing are slowly being introduced to C#. Coming soon: "On Error Resume Next" Then it will be time to go back to C++ because C# will be mostly used by lazy idiots who don't care a fig for maintenance.

            Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together. Manfred R. Bihy: "Looks as if OP is learning resistant."

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            Mario Majcica
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            I think you're right. But I hope not! Recently I helped on a badly written project in VB.NET and it was a nightmare.

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            • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

              It's VB creep: The bits of VB that mean that you don't have to think about what you are doing are slowly being introduced to C#. Coming soon: "On Error Resume Next" Then it will be time to go back to C++ because C# will be mostly used by lazy idiots who don't care a fig for maintenance.

              Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together. Manfred R. Bihy: "Looks as if OP is learning resistant."

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              Firo Atrum Ventus
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              OriginalGriff wrote:

              Coming soon: "On Error Resume Next"

              I thought it was "On Error GoTo Hell" Oh well, I never attend VB class in the second year of my high school

              You can flame me whichever way you want and I wouldn't care a bit. But if you group me with some idiots, I'll turn into your worst nightmare.

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                OriginalGriff wrote:

                Coming soon: "On Error Resume Next"

                I thought it was "On Error GoTo Hell" Oh well, I never attend VB class in the second year of my high school

                You can flame me whichever way you want and I wouldn't care a bit. But if you group me with some idiots, I'll turn into your worst nightmare.

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                OriginalGriff
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                :laugh: No, Resume Next is much more damaging in the long term!

                Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together. Manfred R. Bihy: "Looks as if OP is learning resistant."

                "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
                "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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                • M Mario Majcica

                  I'm so pissed of by var abusers. They do not understand that are making code unreadable, for what, writing var instead of string? Having the same problems in your company? ex.

                  var metadataValues = new List<object>();
                  foreach (var metadataDefName in metadataDefNames)
                  {
                  var name = metadataDefName;
                  // Search definition with the same name.
                  var metadata = metadataCollection.FirstOrDefault(
                  metadataDef => String.Equals(metadataDef.MetaData.Name, name, StringComparison.OrdinalIgnoreCase));
                  ...

                  Cheers!

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                  Peter Mulholland
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                  I agree, I've seen code here with var used everywhere (C#), complained to the SW Architect, he sent out an email saying it sould only be used where required. It's the newest, youngest guy in the place using it most. It's F***in sloppy, lazy sh*t!

                  Pete

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                  • R RugbyLeague

                    var list = new List(); is good var x = GetStuff(); is not good

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                    Peter Mulholland
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                    RugbyLeague wrote:

                    var list = new List();
                     
                    is good

                    WTF!!! IList<string> list = new List<string>(); // is good (your < and > hid the string bit (I think)) List<string> list = new List<string>(); // is good var list = new List<string>(); // is sloppy, lazy sh1t!

                    Pete

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                      RugbyLeague wrote:

                      var list = new List();
                       
                      is good

                      WTF!!! IList<string> list = new List<string>(); // is good (your < and > hid the string bit (I think)) List<string> list = new List<string>(); // is good var list = new List<string>(); // is sloppy, lazy sh1t!

                      Pete

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                      RugbyLeague
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                      Ah, I wondered what happened to the generics bit on my OP How is it sloppy and lazy?

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                      • R RugbyLeague

                        Ah, I wondered what happened to the generics bit on my OP How is it sloppy and lazy?

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                        Peter Mulholland
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                        You know what the variable type is, so declare it!

                        Pete

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                        • P Peter Mulholland

                          You know what the variable type is, so declare it!

                          Pete

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                          RugbyLeague
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                          Why? What is the point of repeating information?

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                          • P Peter Mulholland

                            I agree, I've seen code here with var used everywhere (C#), complained to the SW Architect, he sent out an email saying it sould only be used where required. It's the newest, youngest guy in the place using it most. It's F***in sloppy, lazy sh*t!

                            Pete

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                            Slacker007
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                            Peter Mulholland wrote:

                            It's F***in sloppy, lazy sh*t!

                            :thumbsup:

                            ----------------------------- Just along for the ride. -----------------------------

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                            • R RugbyLeague

                              Ah, I wondered what happened to the generics bit on my OP How is it sloppy and lazy?

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                              Peter Mulholland
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                              Coming from a C++ background, I feel it doesn't improve the readability of the code, particularly when used to accept a return value from a method. In my experience, those that like it overuse and abuse it. It was a mistake to add it to the C# language.

                              Pete

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                              • P Peter Mulholland

                                Coming from a C++ background, I feel it doesn't improve the readability of the code, particularly when used to accept a return value from a method. In my experience, those that like it overuse and abuse it. It was a mistake to add it to the C# language.

                                Pete

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                                RugbyLeague
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                                I come from a C++ background too and I like var - I agree using it to accept a return value from a method is a poor use of it.

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                                • M Mario Majcica

                                  And why? I can understand some cases in which you want to make code more compact, as

                                  List myName = new List();

                                  to use a

                                  var myName = new List();

                                  or as mentioned before in cases that you do not know the return type. But using always var only because of laziness, just pisses me of!

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                                  BobJanova
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                                  The 'why' is because the type is already there in the line, so using var doesn't remove any information. Personally I only use it very rarely but that's a matter of style, I think it is fine when the type is in the line anyway (either as a new expression or an explicit cast: var something = (TypeName)expression).

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                                  • M Mario Majcica

                                    I'm so pissed of by var abusers. They do not understand that are making code unreadable, for what, writing var instead of string? Having the same problems in your company? ex.

                                    var metadataValues = new List<object>();
                                    foreach (var metadataDefName in metadataDefNames)
                                    {
                                    var name = metadataDefName;
                                    // Search definition with the same name.
                                    var metadata = metadataCollection.FirstOrDefault(
                                    metadataDef => String.Equals(metadataDef.MetaData.Name, name, StringComparison.OrdinalIgnoreCase));
                                    ...

                                    Cheers!

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                                    leppie
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                                    #25

                                    Reason for my 1 vote: There is nothing wrong with that. If you need to get the type, just hover over the 'var' in the IDE.

                                    ((λ (x) `(,x ',x)) '(λ (x) `(,x ',x)))

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                                    • P Pete OHanlon

                                      Or you are using ReSharper and tell it to autofix the "problems" in your code.

                                      Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

                                      My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier - my favourite utility

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                                      leppie
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                                      Well put. Exactly why I do NOT use handholding tools like Reshaper. Clearly their definition of 'problems' is very subjective, and personally does not suite me. I write the code exactly how I want it!

                                      ((λ (x) `(,x ',x)) '(λ (x) `(,x ',x)))

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                                      • L leppie

                                        Reason for my 1 vote: There is nothing wrong with that. If you need to get the type, just hover over the 'var' in the IDE.

                                        ((λ (x) `(,x ',x)) '(λ (x) `(,x ',x)))

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                                        Mario Majcica
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                                        #27

                                        Meanwhile I'm reading the code I can't constantly hover the vars! Com'on, how can you say that??? :) And this is the lounge, I'm not discussing about what should be a good practice, I lament about things that makes me piss off.

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                                        • M Mario Majcica

                                          Meanwhile I'm reading the code I can't constantly hover the vars! Com'on, how can you say that??? :) And this is the lounge, I'm not discussing about what should be a good practice, I lament about things that makes me piss off.

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                                          leppie
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                                          Mario Majcica wrote:

                                          Meanwhile I'm reading the code I can't constantly hover the vars!

                                          Use Reflector then :) If the code is well written, you should be able to infer the type while reading. What does get me is the person using 'var' instead of 'object', now that is silly. :)

                                          ((λ (x) `(,x ',x)) '(λ (x) `(,x ',x)))

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