Oslo bombings and massacre
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Not much time has passed since the bombs went off in Oslo, and a guy dressed as a police office started massacring kids at a summer camp for youths involved in politics, so much of the information that has been published so far, may be totally wrong when the dust has settled. Many people are crying "It's a muslim terrorist attack". I did too, until some interesting information was published. 1) The guy disguised as a police officer at the summer camp, had the appearance of a native. Not the typical jihadist. 2) The summer camp was for left wing kids (social democrats). 3) Some witnesses claim that there was a "fake" police officer close by just before the bomb(s?) went off. I think these cowardly attack(s) were made by a Norwegian "Oklahoma bomber(s?)".
-- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit
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Not much time has passed since the bombs went off in Oslo, and a guy dressed as a police office started massacring kids at a summer camp for youths involved in politics, so much of the information that has been published so far, may be totally wrong when the dust has settled. Many people are crying "It's a muslim terrorist attack". I did too, until some interesting information was published. 1) The guy disguised as a police officer at the summer camp, had the appearance of a native. Not the typical jihadist. 2) The summer camp was for left wing kids (social democrats). 3) Some witnesses claim that there was a "fake" police officer close by just before the bomb(s?) went off. I think these cowardly attack(s) were made by a Norwegian "Oklahoma bomber(s?)".
-- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
I think these cowardly attack(s) were made by a Norwegian "Oklahoma bomber(s?)".
Could be, but the latest Muslim attacker caught here in the U.S. was obviously northern European by descent, even though he wore a scraggly beard and had a bad haircut. Personally, I think we don't have enough facts. My money is on Qaddafi, but only because he's made threats recently. Not because he's a Muslim and not because he's an Arab but because he's under attack by Norwegians, even though he was at peace with them.
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
I think these cowardly attack(s) were made by a Norwegian "Oklahoma bomber(s?)".
Could be, but the latest Muslim attacker caught here in the U.S. was obviously northern European by descent, even though he wore a scraggly beard and had a bad haircut. Personally, I think we don't have enough facts. My money is on Qaddafi, but only because he's made threats recently. Not because he's a Muslim and not because he's an Arab but because he's under attack by Norwegians, even though he was at peace with them.
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.
According to the Norwegian newspapers, the police is now looking to domestic terrorism, rather than international terrorism (i.e. jihadist terrorism). The news papers don't say if that is the official stance of the police, or if it's the opinion of a random police officer that just blurted out his own personal theories. Also, if it was a jihadist bomb attack, they would have attacked a venue with lots of people (if previous attacks are any indications of the typical jihadist attack pattern). I would have placed the bomb in other areas of Oslo to maximize the number of casualties. There's a big communication's (trains, taxi, buses) and shopping center down town (300 yards from where the bomb detonated). Another clue against the typical suicide bomber, is that it does not seem to have been a suicide bombing! Not only is this a major friggin' catastrophy, it also destroyed my plans for this weekend. Me and my family had planned to visit Oslo and old friends. That will just have to wait now I guess.
-- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit
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According to the Norwegian newspapers, the police is now looking to domestic terrorism, rather than international terrorism (i.e. jihadist terrorism). The news papers don't say if that is the official stance of the police, or if it's the opinion of a random police officer that just blurted out his own personal theories. Also, if it was a jihadist bomb attack, they would have attacked a venue with lots of people (if previous attacks are any indications of the typical jihadist attack pattern). I would have placed the bomb in other areas of Oslo to maximize the number of casualties. There's a big communication's (trains, taxi, buses) and shopping center down town (300 yards from where the bomb detonated). Another clue against the typical suicide bomber, is that it does not seem to have been a suicide bombing! Not only is this a major friggin' catastrophy, it also destroyed my plans for this weekend. Me and my family had planned to visit Oslo and old friends. That will just have to wait now I guess.
-- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit
What I've read seems to indicate that the thinking is that it was one guy planting the bomb and doing the shooting and that he was a Norwegian. That, to my understanding, takes it out of the realm of terrorism and turns it into a nut job with a hard-on for your prime-minister. Either way, it sucks.
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.
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Not much time has passed since the bombs went off in Oslo, and a guy dressed as a police office started massacring kids at a summer camp for youths involved in politics, so much of the information that has been published so far, may be totally wrong when the dust has settled. Many people are crying "It's a muslim terrorist attack". I did too, until some interesting information was published. 1) The guy disguised as a police officer at the summer camp, had the appearance of a native. Not the typical jihadist. 2) The summer camp was for left wing kids (social democrats). 3) Some witnesses claim that there was a "fake" police officer close by just before the bomb(s?) went off. I think these cowardly attack(s) were made by a Norwegian "Oklahoma bomber(s?)".
-- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit
Yeah, I was thining 10-1 its Islamicists, but unless they srated recruiting Dolf Lundgren lookalikes its looking more like an fanatical extreme right Norweigian group. Which in itself is almost more shocking since: 1) The extreme right is gaining ground anyway in Europe. 2) This kind of things isnt going to help their popularity. 3) Its been 40 years since we had home grown European terrorism (discounting the Irish). We shall see, but inded, a well planned attack, from an unlikely source.
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
I think these cowardly attack(s) were made by a Norwegian "Oklahoma bomber(s?)".
Could be, but the latest Muslim attacker caught here in the U.S. was obviously northern European by descent, even though he wore a scraggly beard and had a bad haircut. Personally, I think we don't have enough facts. My money is on Qaddafi, but only because he's made threats recently. Not because he's a Muslim and not because he's an Arab but because he's under attack by Norwegians, even though he was at peace with them.
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.
I dont buy Ghadaffi in this. The French are more active in Ligya and are an easier target since its just across the water from Libya. I also dont get how the guy with the rifle, a native Norweigian, ends up working for a Libyan, or Islamic group. My money is on an extreme right local party, as bixare as that sounds these days.
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I dont buy Ghadaffi in this. The French are more active in Ligya and are an easier target since its just across the water from Libya. I also dont get how the guy with the rifle, a native Norweigian, ends up working for a Libyan, or Islamic group. My money is on an extreme right local party, as bixare as that sounds these days.
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I heard they just arrested a suspect, and he's one of those rightwing extremists.. edit: they have now updated the story, now they say he is a christian extremist. This makes less sense IMO, why would a christian extremist dislike leftwing youths?
modified on Saturday, July 23, 2011 6:16 AM
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Yeah, I was thining 10-1 its Islamicists, but unless they srated recruiting Dolf Lundgren lookalikes its looking more like an fanatical extreme right Norweigian group. Which in itself is almost more shocking since: 1) The extreme right is gaining ground anyway in Europe. 2) This kind of things isnt going to help their popularity. 3) Its been 40 years since we had home grown European terrorism (discounting the Irish). We shall see, but inded, a well planned attack, from an unlikely source.
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So once more a religionist goes out and kills people. It just confirms my theory that religion is evil and should be banned.
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Not much time has passed since the bombs went off in Oslo, and a guy dressed as a police office started massacring kids at a summer camp for youths involved in politics, so much of the information that has been published so far, may be totally wrong when the dust has settled. Many people are crying "It's a muslim terrorist attack". I did too, until some interesting information was published. 1) The guy disguised as a police officer at the summer camp, had the appearance of a native. Not the typical jihadist. 2) The summer camp was for left wing kids (social democrats). 3) Some witnesses claim that there was a "fake" police officer close by just before the bomb(s?) went off. I think these cowardly attack(s) were made by a Norwegian "Oklahoma bomber(s?)".
-- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit
At least 91 people confirmed dead so far. A despicable act by a predictably right-wing fuckwit.
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So once more a religionist goes out and kills people. It just confirms my theory that religion is evil and should be banned.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] Trolls[^]
Dalek Dave wrote:
So once more a religionist goes out and kills people.
It just confirms my theory that religion is evil and should be banned.I think that this is a premature statement. In this case it could very well be that his religious views were a symptom rather than the disease itself.
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Yeah, I was thining 10-1 its Islamicists, but unless they srated recruiting Dolf Lundgren lookalikes its looking more like an fanatical extreme right Norweigian group. Which in itself is almost more shocking since: 1) The extreme right is gaining ground anyway in Europe. 2) This kind of things isnt going to help their popularity. 3) Its been 40 years since we had home grown European terrorism (discounting the Irish). We shall see, but inded, a well planned attack, from an unlikely source.
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The only evidence of 'Religionism' is in the following statement by deputy police chief Roger Andresen, who declined to comment on the possible motive for the killings, but said: "We have no more information than ... what has been found on (his) own websites, which is that is goes toward the right (wing) and that it is, so to speak, Christian fundamentalist." - Reuters On Facebook, Beivik described himself as a "Christian, conservative".- quoted (in good faith) from various articles. There is more evidence of Nationalism: • Politics today is about Nationalism vs. Internationalism rather than Socialism vs. Capitalism; • Socialism is breaking down traditions, culture, and national identity, making society weak and confused; • The media are not critical enough about Islam; • The Netherland's Freedom Party is the only true Conservative party. - Beivik, quoted (in good faith) from various articles. So, on balance, I would expect him to claim love of his Nation as his motivation for attacking Socialists.
The 1-legged bar stool of understanding is supported by booze. Equipped with that, I know everything, and the rest of you are just a bunch of ignorant peasants with dung on your boots. A R G H
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So once more a religionist goes out and kills people. It just confirms my theory that religion is evil and should be banned.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] Trolls[^]
One of the things that is quite clear to me is that any meme that has the ability to excite human passions will be embraced by a small number of defective humans who believe they have the right to execute those they disapprove of. I am quite sure that the large majority of Muslims in this world are law-abiding, peaceful humans, who simply want to live their lives, their way. I am equally sure the the great majority of Christians in this world are law-abiding, peaceful humans, who simply want to live their lives, their way. I believe that most progressives truly wish for a better world and are working to create it. I believe that most conservatives truly wish for a better world and are working to create it. I am positive that the average Chinese, Russian, America, Canadian, Persian, South African, Brazilian, etc. simply wants to create a better world for the next generation It is obvious that the are nut cases who embrace nationalism, or religion, or social justice, or personal responsibility and simply have to blame "the evil others" for all the sins of the world and an even smaller group of mentally and emotionally crippled quasi-people who act out on their paranoid fantasies fed by their embrace of one or another of the major memes in out lives. It is understandable, I believe, that the immediate reaction to any terrible massacre created by one of these defectives be an all embracing anger at them and anyone else that might be associated with them, even if that association was only in our own minds. I confess that my first reaction to 9/11 was a desire to see Afghanistan reduced to a nuclear wasteland. But a few moments of logical thought should make it clear that the assassins of 9/11 do not represent all Muslims, that Bill Ayers is not a mainstream progressive, that Anders Breivik is not a true Christian - indeed, you seem to have jumped the gun and most of what is known about him suggest he was a religionist about as much as I am - or a fair representation of a conservative viewpoint. logical thought, Dave; not prejudice, and not paranoia is what will keep us from all killing each other.
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.
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Not much time has passed since the bombs went off in Oslo, and a guy dressed as a police office started massacring kids at a summer camp for youths involved in politics, so much of the information that has been published so far, may be totally wrong when the dust has settled. Many people are crying "It's a muslim terrorist attack". I did too, until some interesting information was published. 1) The guy disguised as a police officer at the summer camp, had the appearance of a native. Not the typical jihadist. 2) The summer camp was for left wing kids (social democrats). 3) Some witnesses claim that there was a "fake" police officer close by just before the bomb(s?) went off. I think these cowardly attack(s) were made by a Norwegian "Oklahoma bomber(s?)".
-- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit
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What I've read seems to indicate that the thinking is that it was one guy planting the bomb and doing the shooting and that he was a Norwegian. That, to my understanding, takes it out of the realm of terrorism and turns it into a nut job with a hard-on for your prime-minister. Either way, it sucks.
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.
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One of the things that is quite clear to me is that any meme that has the ability to excite human passions will be embraced by a small number of defective humans who believe they have the right to execute those they disapprove of. I am quite sure that the large majority of Muslims in this world are law-abiding, peaceful humans, who simply want to live their lives, their way. I am equally sure the the great majority of Christians in this world are law-abiding, peaceful humans, who simply want to live their lives, their way. I believe that most progressives truly wish for a better world and are working to create it. I believe that most conservatives truly wish for a better world and are working to create it. I am positive that the average Chinese, Russian, America, Canadian, Persian, South African, Brazilian, etc. simply wants to create a better world for the next generation It is obvious that the are nut cases who embrace nationalism, or religion, or social justice, or personal responsibility and simply have to blame "the evil others" for all the sins of the world and an even smaller group of mentally and emotionally crippled quasi-people who act out on their paranoid fantasies fed by their embrace of one or another of the major memes in out lives. It is understandable, I believe, that the immediate reaction to any terrible massacre created by one of these defectives be an all embracing anger at them and anyone else that might be associated with them, even if that association was only in our own minds. I confess that my first reaction to 9/11 was a desire to see Afghanistan reduced to a nuclear wasteland. But a few moments of logical thought should make it clear that the assassins of 9/11 do not represent all Muslims, that Bill Ayers is not a mainstream progressive, that Anders Breivik is not a true Christian - indeed, you seem to have jumped the gun and most of what is known about him suggest he was a religionist about as much as I am - or a fair representation of a conservative viewpoint. logical thought, Dave; not prejudice, and not paranoia is what will keep us from all killing each other.
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.
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Oakman wrote:
takes it out of the realm of terrorism
Wondering what qualifies to be terrorism and what does not...
Shameel wrote:
Wondering what qualifies to be terrorism and what does not...
Terrorists have a stated agenda: Unified Ireland, Basque out of Spain, Yanks out of [enter your country here], etc. - or the killing and maiming will continue. This guy expressed concern that national identities were being lost to multiculturalism, but nowhere have they (yet?) found him supporting violence as a solution. So, he is not a terrorist, but a 'madman'.
The 1-legged bar stool of understanding is supported by booze. Equipped with that, I know everything, and the rest of you are just a bunch of ignorant peasants with dung on your boots. A R G H
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Shameel wrote:
Wondering what qualifies to be terrorism and what does not...
Terrorists have a stated agenda: Unified Ireland, Basque out of Spain, Yanks out of [enter your country here], etc. - or the killing and maiming will continue. This guy expressed concern that national identities were being lost to multiculturalism, but nowhere have they (yet?) found him supporting violence as a solution. So, he is not a terrorist, but a 'madman'.
The 1-legged bar stool of understanding is supported by booze. Equipped with that, I know everything, and the rest of you are just a bunch of ignorant peasants with dung on your boots. A R G H
ict558 wrote:
This guy expressed concern that national identities were being lost to multiculturalism
Sounds like a good agenda :-)
ict558 wrote:
but nowhere have they (yet?) found him supporting violence as a solution.
I think what he did qualifies well to be called violence.
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One of the things that is quite clear to me is that any meme that has the ability to excite human passions will be embraced by a small number of defective humans who believe they have the right to execute those they disapprove of. I am quite sure that the large majority of Muslims in this world are law-abiding, peaceful humans, who simply want to live their lives, their way. I am equally sure the the great majority of Christians in this world are law-abiding, peaceful humans, who simply want to live their lives, their way. I believe that most progressives truly wish for a better world and are working to create it. I believe that most conservatives truly wish for a better world and are working to create it. I am positive that the average Chinese, Russian, America, Canadian, Persian, South African, Brazilian, etc. simply wants to create a better world for the next generation It is obvious that the are nut cases who embrace nationalism, or religion, or social justice, or personal responsibility and simply have to blame "the evil others" for all the sins of the world and an even smaller group of mentally and emotionally crippled quasi-people who act out on their paranoid fantasies fed by their embrace of one or another of the major memes in out lives. It is understandable, I believe, that the immediate reaction to any terrible massacre created by one of these defectives be an all embracing anger at them and anyone else that might be associated with them, even if that association was only in our own minds. I confess that my first reaction to 9/11 was a desire to see Afghanistan reduced to a nuclear wasteland. But a few moments of logical thought should make it clear that the assassins of 9/11 do not represent all Muslims, that Bill Ayers is not a mainstream progressive, that Anders Breivik is not a true Christian - indeed, you seem to have jumped the gun and most of what is known about him suggest he was a religionist about as much as I am - or a fair representation of a conservative viewpoint. logical thought, Dave; not prejudice, and not paranoia is what will keep us from all killing each other.
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.
Oakman wrote:
logical thought, Dave; not prejudice, and not paranoia is what will keep us from all killing each other.
We're doomed, we're all doomed! - James Frazer
The 1-legged bar stool of understanding is supported by booze. Equipped with that, I know everything, and the rest of you are just a bunch of ignorant peasants with dung on your boots. A R G H
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ict558 wrote:
This guy expressed concern that national identities were being lost to multiculturalism
Sounds like a good agenda :-)
ict558 wrote:
but nowhere have they (yet?) found him supporting violence as a solution.
I think what he did qualifies well to be called violence.
Shameel wrote:
I think what he did qualifies well to be called violence.
Um, yes. What I had hoped to express was that there were no threats of violence, in order to rid his country of multiculturism, in his posts (as far as has been determined). No agenda.
The 1-legged bar stool of understanding is supported by booze. Equipped with that, I know everything, and the rest of you are just a bunch of ignorant peasants with dung on your boots. A R G H
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ict558 wrote:
This guy expressed concern that national identities were being lost to multiculturalism
Sounds like a good agenda :-)
ict558 wrote:
but nowhere have they (yet?) found him supporting violence as a solution.
I think what he did qualifies well to be called violence.
Shameel wrote:
Sounds like a good agenda
Not a cricket fan, then? :)
The 1-legged bar stool of understanding is supported by booze. Equipped with that, I know everything, and the rest of you are just a bunch of ignorant peasants with dung on your boots. A R G H