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Megan Forbes wrote: "God is God - and I am not. I can only see a part of the picture he's painting" Thanks for giving me a serious answer, contrary to this being the Soapbox I was looking for serious thoughts on the matter. Though as I cannot let things lie, I have to say your answer does not help me. I hope it helps you though :)
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChristopher Duncan wrote: Which explains why when Santa asked, "And what do you want for Christmas, little boy?" I said, "A life." (Accesories sold separately)
Paul Watson wrote: Though as I cannot let things lie, I have to say your answer does not help me. I hope it helps you though To me it makes sense. If he's God, and I'm human, how can I expect to understand him? Interesting how there are a couple of topics that all people feel strongly about - even if that strong feeling is to defend neutrality. Perhaps we aren't so far removed from the crazy lunatic suicide bombers as we would like to believe. :)
I knew it would end badly when I first met Chris in a Canberra alleyway and he said 'try some - it won't hurt you'..... - Christian Graus on Code Project outages Religion without Science is blind, Science without Religion is lame -Albert Einstein
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Paul Watson wrote: Can you honestly even begin to explain how all of this *Paul waves his arms around in the air* can be possible? Yes. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle
Stan Shannon wrote: Yes. Must be late in the day because I don't understand the significance or meaning. Or are you just saying "Yes you can honestly explain." If so, please do, I am all ears :)
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChristopher Duncan wrote: Which explains why when Santa asked, "And what do you want for Christmas, little boy?" I said, "A life." (Accesories sold separately)
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Paul Watson wrote: Though as I cannot let things lie, I have to say your answer does not help me. I hope it helps you though To me it makes sense. If he's God, and I'm human, how can I expect to understand him? Interesting how there are a couple of topics that all people feel strongly about - even if that strong feeling is to defend neutrality. Perhaps we aren't so far removed from the crazy lunatic suicide bombers as we would like to believe. :)
I knew it would end badly when I first met Chris in a Canberra alleyway and he said 'try some - it won't hurt you'..... - Christian Graus on Code Project outages Religion without Science is blind, Science without Religion is lame -Albert Einstein
Megan Forbes wrote: Perhaps we aren't so far removed from the crazy lunatic suicide bombers as we would like to believe :~ I don't for a moment think we are different. I would be blowing up Israeli tanks and buses as well if I was a Palestinian. Just as I would be demolishing Arafat's compound and hunting his croonies down if I was an Israeli. It is in all of us IMO. Megan Forbes wrote: To me it makes sense. If he's God, and I'm human, how can I expect to understand him? I guess my question asks more about where did your creator come from Meg? What created him/her/it? And then what created that being, and so forth. No offense but to the "how can I expect to understand the minds of gods" arguement is not along what I am asking. The Bible never speaks about where God comes from, does it?
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChristopher Duncan wrote: Which explains why when Santa asked, "And what do you want for Christmas, little boy?" I said, "A life." (Accesories sold separately)
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Megan Forbes wrote: Perhaps we aren't so far removed from the crazy lunatic suicide bombers as we would like to believe :~ I don't for a moment think we are different. I would be blowing up Israeli tanks and buses as well if I was a Palestinian. Just as I would be demolishing Arafat's compound and hunting his croonies down if I was an Israeli. It is in all of us IMO. Megan Forbes wrote: To me it makes sense. If he's God, and I'm human, how can I expect to understand him? I guess my question asks more about where did your creator come from Meg? What created him/her/it? And then what created that being, and so forth. No offense but to the "how can I expect to understand the minds of gods" arguement is not along what I am asking. The Bible never speaks about where God comes from, does it?
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChristopher Duncan wrote: Which explains why when Santa asked, "And what do you want for Christmas, little boy?" I said, "A life." (Accesories sold separately)
Paul Watson wrote: The Bible never speaks about where God comes from, does it? No - it'll be the first question on my list when I die :-D. The second will be asking permission to drop by CP one last time and send you the answer. Although my idea of heaven definitely involves a really fast pc, with a 1Gb cable connection... :rolleyes:
I knew it would end badly when I first met Chris in a Canberra alleyway and he said 'try some - it won't hurt you'..... - Christian Graus on Code Project outages Religion without Science is blind, Science without Religion is lame -Albert Einstein
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Has anyone ever come up with an explanation of how everything (life, love, the universe etc.) came to be? I get the big bang theories and I get the God made everything theories. What I want to know is what came before all of that and how did that come about? If someone asked me what I thought the scariest question of all time was, this would be it. Can you honestly even begin to explain how all of this *Paul waves his arms around in the air* can be possible?
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChristopher Duncan wrote: Which explains why when Santa asked, "And what do you want for Christmas, little boy?" I said, "A life." (Accesories sold separately)
12 billion years ago, two hyperspheres of M-space collided in the 13th dimension. The resulting release of energy caused an imperfection on one of them, which evolved into our universe.* Simple, really. ;P OK, Chris, if you see Santa again, get him to send one of those life thingies my way! As Douglas Adams said, whenever someone solves the universe, it gets replaced with something much more complicated. This may have happened several times already. Whenever you find the answer to "what created X?", you find the question, "what created the thing that created X?". The very act of creation implies the existence of time, so any answer to that question will, by definition, not be the Ultimate Truth™ everyone seems so keen to find. Personally, I don't think our universe is capable of expressing the information required to even begin to ask the "right" question, let alone answer it. *Does that mean our universe is nothing more than a wrinkle on God's balls?
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
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Paul Watson wrote: The Bible never speaks about where God comes from, does it? No - it'll be the first question on my list when I die :-D. The second will be asking permission to drop by CP one last time and send you the answer. Although my idea of heaven definitely involves a really fast pc, with a 1Gb cable connection... :rolleyes:
I knew it would end badly when I first met Chris in a Canberra alleyway and he said 'try some - it won't hurt you'..... - Christian Graus on Code Project outages Religion without Science is blind, Science without Religion is lame -Albert Einstein
Megan Forbes wrote: second will be asking permission to drop by CP one last time and send you the answer. :-O I am humbled Megan Forbes wrote: Although my idea of heaven definitely involves a really fast pc, with a 1Gb cable connection... LOL Frankly, my idea of paradise/heaven/valhalla involves a grand total of 1 computer. That 1 computer would be in the Encyclopedia Galactica building with the label "primitive annoying device." ;)
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChristopher Duncan wrote: Which explains why when Santa asked, "And what do you want for Christmas, little boy?" I said, "A life." (Accesories sold separately)
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12 billion years ago, two hyperspheres of M-space collided in the 13th dimension. The resulting release of energy caused an imperfection on one of them, which evolved into our universe.* Simple, really. ;P OK, Chris, if you see Santa again, get him to send one of those life thingies my way! As Douglas Adams said, whenever someone solves the universe, it gets replaced with something much more complicated. This may have happened several times already. Whenever you find the answer to "what created X?", you find the question, "what created the thing that created X?". The very act of creation implies the existence of time, so any answer to that question will, by definition, not be the Ultimate Truth™ everyone seems so keen to find. Personally, I don't think our universe is capable of expressing the information required to even begin to ask the "right" question, let alone answer it. *Does that mean our universe is nothing more than a wrinkle on God's balls?
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
Richard_D wrote: Whenever you find the answer to "what created X?", you find the question, "what created the thing that created X?". The very act of creation implies the existence of time, so any answer to that question will, by definition, not be the Ultimate Truth™ everyone seems so keen to find. Personally, I don't think our universe is capable of expressing the information required to even begin to ask the "right" question, let alone answer it. What I was thinking. Even when the odds are not in my favour, I still like to ask and see if maybe, just maybe, an answer lies in someones mind. Still... I find the "what created the thing that created X?" line of thinking quite terrifying and very frustrating. I have no clue how you lot can just skirt around it without worrying :)
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChristopher Duncan wrote: Which explains why when Santa asked, "And what do you want for Christmas, little boy?" I said, "A life." (Accesories sold separately)
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Richard_D wrote: Whenever you find the answer to "what created X?", you find the question, "what created the thing that created X?". The very act of creation implies the existence of time, so any answer to that question will, by definition, not be the Ultimate Truth™ everyone seems so keen to find. Personally, I don't think our universe is capable of expressing the information required to even begin to ask the "right" question, let alone answer it. What I was thinking. Even when the odds are not in my favour, I still like to ask and see if maybe, just maybe, an answer lies in someones mind. Still... I find the "what created the thing that created X?" line of thinking quite terrifying and very frustrating. I have no clue how you lot can just skirt around it without worrying :)
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChristopher Duncan wrote: Which explains why when Santa asked, "And what do you want for Christmas, little boy?" I said, "A life." (Accesories sold separately)
Paul Watson wrote: I have no clue how you lot can just skirt around it without worrying One word: :beer:, and lots of it! :-D
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
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Megan Forbes wrote: second will be asking permission to drop by CP one last time and send you the answer. :-O I am humbled Megan Forbes wrote: Although my idea of heaven definitely involves a really fast pc, with a 1Gb cable connection... LOL Frankly, my idea of paradise/heaven/valhalla involves a grand total of 1 computer. That 1 computer would be in the Encyclopedia Galactica building with the label "primitive annoying device." ;)
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChristopher Duncan wrote: Which explains why when Santa asked, "And what do you want for Christmas, little boy?" I said, "A life." (Accesories sold separately)
Paul Watson wrote: Frankly, my idea of paradise/heaven/valhalla involves a grand total of 1 computer. That 1 computer would be in the Encyclopedia Galactica building with the label "primitive annoying device." Warning -- Warning -- Sig overload -- Warning -- Warning Why oh why can't we go a smidgen higher than 500 char's? :rolleyes:
I knew it would end badly when I first met Chris in a Canberra alleyway and he said 'try some - it won't hurt you'..... - Christian Graus on Code Project outages Religion without Science is blind, Science without Religion is lame -Albert Einstein
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Paul Watson wrote: Frankly, my idea of paradise/heaven/valhalla involves a grand total of 1 computer. That 1 computer would be in the Encyclopedia Galactica building with the label "primitive annoying device." Warning -- Warning -- Sig overload -- Warning -- Warning Why oh why can't we go a smidgen higher than 500 char's? :rolleyes:
I knew it would end badly when I first met Chris in a Canberra alleyway and he said 'try some - it won't hurt you'..... - Christian Graus on Code Project outages Religion without Science is blind, Science without Religion is lame -Albert Einstein
Megan Forbes wrote: Why oh why can't we go a smidgen higher than 500 char's? We must not seek to understand the way of Chris Maunder, we feeble humans must simply put faith in Him.... ;P (actually everytime I edit my sig it bumps up against 500... all that CSS and fancy naff stuff I do pushes the limits... but if Chris increased it to 550 lets say, then sure as John Simmons likes big breasts a month later at most someone will be asking for it to be increased again... and so on)
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChristopher Duncan wrote: Which explains why when Santa asked, "And what do you want for Christmas, little boy?" I said, "A life." (Accesories sold separately)
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Has anyone ever come up with an explanation of how everything (life, love, the universe etc.) came to be? I get the big bang theories and I get the God made everything theories. What I want to know is what came before all of that and how did that come about? If someone asked me what I thought the scariest question of all time was, this would be it. Can you honestly even begin to explain how all of this *Paul waves his arms around in the air* can be possible?
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChristopher Duncan wrote: Which explains why when Santa asked, "And what do you want for Christmas, little boy?" I said, "A life." (Accesories sold separately)
Paul Watson wrote: Has anyone ever come up with an explanation of how everything (life, love, the universe etc.) came to be? Life was created by the cheese curds to provide someone to eat them. Love was created by the cheese curds to lay the groundwork for heartbreak, which promotes the eating of fatty, cheese-curd-like foods. The Universe was created by the cheese curds so they'd have a place to store stuff. Paul Watson wrote: What I want to know is what came before all of that and how did that come about? There was no "before". Paul Watson wrote: If someone asked me what I thought the scariest question of all time was "Please describe what you were doing, in detail" would be my answer. Scares the shit out of me every time. :~ (yeah, ok, i'll read the rest of the thread now)
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Shog9 Life seems pretty easy when it's from my easy chair And you're burnin up inside and no one cares...
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Paul Watson wrote: Has anyone ever come up with an explanation of how everything (life, love, the universe etc.) came to be? Life was created by the cheese curds to provide someone to eat them. Love was created by the cheese curds to lay the groundwork for heartbreak, which promotes the eating of fatty, cheese-curd-like foods. The Universe was created by the cheese curds so they'd have a place to store stuff. Paul Watson wrote: What I want to know is what came before all of that and how did that come about? There was no "before". Paul Watson wrote: If someone asked me what I thought the scariest question of all time was "Please describe what you were doing, in detail" would be my answer. Scares the shit out of me every time. :~ (yeah, ok, i'll read the rest of the thread now)
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Shog9 Life seems pretty easy when it's from my easy chair And you're burnin up inside and no one cares...
Shog9 wrote: There was no "before". Exactly right. Which is the root of the question. If there was no before, then how come there is a now? How did "no before" become a timeline? Shog9 wrote: "Please describe what you were doing, in detail" would be my answer. Scares the sh*t out of me every time. I am an innocent angel who never does anything bad, so that question does not worry me... :~
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChristopher Duncan wrote: Which explains why when Santa asked, "And what do you want for Christmas, little boy?" I said, "A life." (Accesories sold separately)
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Rickard Andersson wrote: There is no damn God! There is no proof either way. Did you ever consider that your thought could be wrong?
Jason Henderson
start page ; articles henderson is coming henderson is an opponent's worst nightmare * googlism *Jason Henderson wrote: Did you ever consider that your thought could be wrong? Right back at ya! That's why I ramble so much. If you're short and quotable, there's a much greater danger of ending up in a sig. [Christopher Duncan on how to prevent yourself from ending up in a sig]
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Rickard Andersson wrote: Paul Watson wrote: God made everything Talk about taking me out of context! Rickard Andersson wrote: Just want to say one thing: There is no damn God! Have you all heard about evolution? Thats how we became human beings!! It wasn't a person in heaven who created us!! I was not asking about God. And evolution does not disprove God in anyway.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChristopher Duncan wrote: Which explains why when Santa asked, "And what do you want for Christmas, little boy?" I said, "A life." (Accesories sold separately)
Paul Watson wrote: Talk about taking me out of context! Well, actually not! You asked about how everything could be what it is, how everything was "born". And then you mentioned that God theory. So I said my word! :) Paul Watson wrote: I was not asking about God. And evolution does not disprove God in anyway That can be your thought! But think back, do you belive there is a guy in heaven who watching you all the time? Why can't we see, hear or know him if so? Rickard Andersson@Suza Computing C# and C++ programmer from SWEDEN! UIN: 50302279 E-Mail: nikado@pc.nu Speciality: I love C#, ASP.NET and C++!
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Shog9 wrote: There was no "before". Exactly right. Which is the root of the question. If there was no before, then how come there is a now? How did "no before" become a timeline? Shog9 wrote: "Please describe what you were doing, in detail" would be my answer. Scares the sh*t out of me every time. I am an innocent angel who never does anything bad, so that question does not worry me... :~
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChristopher Duncan wrote: Which explains why when Santa asked, "And what do you want for Christmas, little boy?" I said, "A life." (Accesories sold separately)
Paul Watson wrote: If there was no before, then how come there is a now? I can't explain that. Time is one of those things so fundamental to me that i can't wrap my head around the idea of an existance - or a conciousness - without it playing a major role. There are people who sit and ponder concepts such as the entire Universe expanding from a point in all dimensions, time expanding just as the rest thus making questions such as "how long did it take" moot. I am not one of those people, and though i'll cheerfully take my hat off and salute them (assuming i'm wearing a hat; though i guess i could put one on, in a pinch, if required...), i'm not gonna fret about the things in life that i can't understand. Paul Watson wrote: I am an innocent angel who never does anything bad, so that question does not worry me... Well then, Paul, what *were* you doing, in detail please. ;P
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Shog9 Life seems pretty easy when it's from my easy chair And you're burnin up inside and no one cares...
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Rickard Andersson wrote: There is no damn God! There is no proof either way. Did you ever consider that your thought could be wrong?
Jason Henderson
start page ; articles henderson is coming henderson is an opponent's worst nightmare * googlism *Jason Henderson wrote: There is no proof either way. Did you ever consider that your thought could be wrong? Well, I can't proof it. But if I am wrong, God would be up there right now, wouldn't he? Can't you just tell him to come by me and tell me that he really exist. Rickard Andersson@Suza Computing C# and C++ programmer from SWEDEN! UIN: 50302279 E-Mail: nikado@pc.nu Speciality: I love C#, ASP.NET and C++!
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Has anyone ever come up with an explanation of how everything (life, love, the universe etc.) came to be? I get the big bang theories and I get the God made everything theories. What I want to know is what came before all of that and how did that come about? If someone asked me what I thought the scariest question of all time was, this would be it. Can you honestly even begin to explain how all of this *Paul waves his arms around in the air* can be possible?
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChristopher Duncan wrote: Which explains why when Santa asked, "And what do you want for Christmas, little boy?" I said, "A life." (Accesories sold separately)
We know now much more than we did even a year ago, let alone 1000 years ago. We consistantly prove ourselves wrong, and gain new insights. there are only a few options that I can concieve: First, based on our current knowledge we assume that the universe is a describable system. What if that's not even the case all of the time. I've heard recently about small percentages of matter that are unaccounted for during nuclear explosions. this brings big questions to a basic principle of matter is neither created nor destroyed. (still searching to verify this). What if things have changed so much over history that the data we use now to describe the beginning is unusable? Second, somehow we determine that the only feasible origin is an outside force. What if God caused this initial reaction, and it is completely explained through science? Then the Big bang folks will have thought they won, and the true God folks will really have the truth. Either way we still have no consensus do we? (ie. not much different than today) or Third, God comes down and gathers the population in an enormous arena, and begins to explain what happened, and how things work. Well, even with obvious evidence here, many will not believe in God, writing Him off as mass hallucination. (back to divided camps of theory) I've got my thoughts, which make some sense to me (somewhere in option 2), but its all made up really. I guess it comes down to the truth on this is sort of useless, because regardless of the facts people will tend to believe what they want anyway. BW "I'm coming with you! I got you fired, it's the least I can do. Well, the least I could do is absolutely nothing, but I'll go you one better and come along!" - Homer J. Simpson
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Jason Henderson wrote: Did you ever consider that your thought could be wrong? Right back at ya! That's why I ramble so much. If you're short and quotable, there's a much greater danger of ending up in a sig. [Christopher Duncan on how to prevent yourself from ending up in a sig]
Yes, I have considered it. Belief in God didn't come easy for me.
Jason Henderson
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Jason Henderson wrote: There is no proof either way. Did you ever consider that your thought could be wrong? Well, I can't proof it. But if I am wrong, God would be up there right now, wouldn't he? Can't you just tell him to come by me and tell me that he really exist. Rickard Andersson@Suza Computing C# and C++ programmer from SWEDEN! UIN: 50302279 E-Mail: nikado@pc.nu Speciality: I love C#, ASP.NET and C++!
Maybe you should ask him yourself. :|
Jason Henderson
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Has anyone ever come up with an explanation of how everything (life, love, the universe etc.) came to be? I get the big bang theories and I get the God made everything theories. What I want to know is what came before all of that and how did that come about? If someone asked me what I thought the scariest question of all time was, this would be it. Can you honestly even begin to explain how all of this *Paul waves his arms around in the air* can be possible?
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChristopher Duncan wrote: Which explains why when Santa asked, "And what do you want for Christmas, little boy?" I said, "A life." (Accesories sold separately)
