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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: Some religions even prohibit those questions! Which is highly dodgy IMO. Any belief, religion, theory etc. which forbids exploring certain aspects of it is trying to hide a fatal flaw. Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: I'm sorry Paul, but I think your question cannot be answered unless you resort to religion (which I can't for personal reasons). I assume by "personal reasons" you mean you are not religious and are "against" it. Don't you think it odd that you are not religious yet believe the only explanation for the creation of our universe is through religion? Anyway, I also don't think we can answer the question yet...
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChristopher Duncan wrote: Which explains why when Santa asked, "And what do you want for Christmas, little boy?" I said, "A life." (Accesories sold separately)
Paul Watson wrote: I assume by "personal reasons" you mean you are not religious and are "against" it. I'm not religious because I've not seen any evidence of a so called higher power. I follow those who explain it all through science. However, if this higher power shows itself, then I'll change my mind. Paul Watson wrote: Don't you think it odd that you are not religious yet believe the only explanation for the creation of our universe is through religion? I don't believe that the only explanation is based in religion. However, the only explanation any human can understand is the one that religion provides. I'm not so sure we can intellectually deal with anything outside our universe. I may be wrong :) -- This space for rent.
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brianwelsch wrote: I've got my thoughts, which make some sense to me (somewhere in option 2), but its all made up really Do share :) Thanks for the other answers, all very interesting. I never expected a serious, "This Is The Answer" reply, but thanks for the serious responses :)
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChristopher Duncan wrote: Which explains why when Santa asked, "And what do you want for Christmas, little boy?" I said, "A life." (Accesories sold separately)
Paul Watson wrote: Do share My thought has always been that there is a good chance there is/are a being(s) much more powerful than ourselves in this universe(or outside of it for all I know, probably both). I've always thought that maybe one these beings, God, caused the universe, and sort of checks in every now and then, to dabble a bit. That of course leaves open the questions of where is God coming from and does He have parents, or what is He, what does he look like? When the Bible said Man was created in His image, I take that to mean the way He envisioned us, not that we actually look like God. Anyway, now I'm thinking about matter and energy changing back and forth (like in a black hole, matter goes in, and Hawkings radiation comes out), and what if God was just a bundle of energy, and one day a ferocious reaction took place and voila the universe. This would keep with the God is everywhere and everything idea. Still doesn't answer where this energy came from though, and frankly going too far down that road I think might get me locked up like Robert Pirsig in "Zen and the Art....":rolleyes: I'm always changing my thoughts on the matter. (no pun ;)) What do you think about it? Seems you don't believe in a God per se, but how did you think the universe was made? BW "I'm coming with you! I got you fired, it's the least I can do. Well, the least I could do is absolutely nothing, but I'll go you one better and come along!" - Homer J. Simpson
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But think back, do you belive there is a guy in heaven who watching you all the time? Why can't we see, hear or know him if so? God is beyond the scope of man. We cannot detect God with any of our 5 senses. The only real evidence that God could exist is the Bible. I used to think somewhat the same as yourself, but realized that, even though we don't know if God exists, I don't want to live my life with my back turned to the idea of God and then find out that God does exist when I die. Belief in God is not just an explaination of how and why we are here but it is a way of life. I figure, if God doesn't exist, I at least have something to live by. Anyway, this is just my opinion. As I write this post, I am reminded of the scene from the movie "Stargate" when the people find out that their entire religion is a hoax. Every time I think of it I wonder what must have been going through their minds at that moment (theoretically speaking, it is a movie after all) or what that would feel like if it were any one of us... Brad Jennings If God is a hoax, it is the biggest hoax in the history of man.
Red Rocket wrote: If God is a hoax, it is the biggest hoax in the history of man. Only if you don't include Elvis' death. ;P BW "I'm coming with you! I got you fired, it's the least I can do. Well, the least I could do is absolutely nothing, but I'll go you one better and come along!" - Homer J. Simpson
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Paul Watson wrote: Do share My thought has always been that there is a good chance there is/are a being(s) much more powerful than ourselves in this universe(or outside of it for all I know, probably both). I've always thought that maybe one these beings, God, caused the universe, and sort of checks in every now and then, to dabble a bit. That of course leaves open the questions of where is God coming from and does He have parents, or what is He, what does he look like? When the Bible said Man was created in His image, I take that to mean the way He envisioned us, not that we actually look like God. Anyway, now I'm thinking about matter and energy changing back and forth (like in a black hole, matter goes in, and Hawkings radiation comes out), and what if God was just a bundle of energy, and one day a ferocious reaction took place and voila the universe. This would keep with the God is everywhere and everything idea. Still doesn't answer where this energy came from though, and frankly going too far down that road I think might get me locked up like Robert Pirsig in "Zen and the Art....":rolleyes: I'm always changing my thoughts on the matter. (no pun ;)) What do you think about it? Seems you don't believe in a God per se, but how did you think the universe was made? BW "I'm coming with you! I got you fired, it's the least I can do. Well, the least I could do is absolutely nothing, but I'll go you one better and come along!" - Homer J. Simpson
brianwelsch wrote: and frankly going too far down that road I think might get me locked up like Robert Pirsig in "Zen and the Art...." LOL exactly! If you don't watch out, it will consume you. brianwelsch wrote: Seems you don't believe in a God per se, but how did you think the universe was made? Our universe, good old big bang but originating from another universe or universes. Where the other universes came from, I have no idea. My ideas are in change mode at the moment, ever since I started putting more weight on the value of "where did what made our universe come from?" things have fallen apart in that area. I like to have a solid base before I start elaborating on things. So in short; I don't know at current :)
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChristopher Duncan wrote: Which explains why when Santa asked, "And what do you want for Christmas, little boy?" I said, "A life." (Accesories sold separately)