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How do I say this? Proof or I don't believe it. The only 'ethics' in business is those guided by laws, same with politics, unfortunately politicians get to create laws.
"I have a theory that the truth is never told during the nine-to-five hours. " — Hunter S. Thompson My comedy.
wizardzz wrote:
The only 'ethics' in business is those guided by laws, same with politics
The division into "politics" and "business" is artificial and misleading in so many ways. (One can throw in "labor" and "religion" in addition easily enough.) Nine nines of the time, I would trust a local politician over a multinational businessman. By the same percentage, I would believe that the owner of a local mom and pop store would keep their word and would assume any national politician would break theirs. Lord Acton created an aphorism about 150 years ago which expresses my take on this subject quite well. he wrote: "I cannot accept your canon that we are to judge Pope and King unlike other men with a favourable presumption that they did no wrong. If there is any presumption, it is the other way, against the holders of power, increasing as the power increases. Historic responsibility has to make up for the want of legal responsibility. All power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men, even when they exercise influence and not authority: still more when you superadd the tendency or certainty of corruption by full authority."
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.
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wizardzz wrote:
The only 'ethics' in business is those guided by laws, same with politics
The division into "politics" and "business" is artificial and misleading in so many ways. (One can throw in "labor" and "religion" in addition easily enough.) Nine nines of the time, I would trust a local politician over a multinational businessman. By the same percentage, I would believe that the owner of a local mom and pop store would keep their word and would assume any national politician would break theirs. Lord Acton created an aphorism about 150 years ago which expresses my take on this subject quite well. he wrote: "I cannot accept your canon that we are to judge Pope and King unlike other men with a favourable presumption that they did no wrong. If there is any presumption, it is the other way, against the holders of power, increasing as the power increases. Historic responsibility has to make up for the want of legal responsibility. All power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men, even when they exercise influence and not authority: still more when you superadd the tendency or certainty of corruption by full authority."
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.
You obviously don't live in Chicago then.
Oakman wrote:
The division into "politics" and "business" is artificial and misleading in so many ways. (One can throw in "labor" and "religion" in addition easily enough.)
I didn't divide them, see my first response to the original post.
"I have a theory that the truth is never told during the nine-to-five hours. " — Hunter S. Thompson My comedy.
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You obviously don't live in Chicago then.
Oakman wrote:
The division into "politics" and "business" is artificial and misleading in so many ways. (One can throw in "labor" and "religion" in addition easily enough.)
I didn't divide them, see my first response to the original post.
"I have a theory that the truth is never told during the nine-to-five hours. " — Hunter S. Thompson My comedy.
wizardzz wrote:
You obviously don't live in Chicago then.
You can't frighten me with tales of Chicago. It's all a myth and those eternal fires filled with flaming brimstone guarded by demons are just stories. . . .aren't they?
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.
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wizardzz wrote:
You obviously don't live in Chicago then.
You can't frighten me with tales of Chicago. It's all a myth and those eternal fires filled with flaming brimstone guarded by demons are just stories. . . .aren't they?
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.
Corruption between local business and politicians is rampant. I wouldn't trust a local shop more than a local or national politician. Unfortunately we are exporting our politicians now. The only reason local crooks are more trustworthy than large scale crooks is that they typically have less power and resources. However, they also have less people holding them accountable.
"I have a theory that the truth is never told during the nine-to-five hours. " — Hunter S. Thompson My comedy.
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Corruption between local business and politicians is rampant. I wouldn't trust a local shop more than a local or national politician. Unfortunately we are exporting our politicians now. The only reason local crooks are more trustworthy than large scale crooks is that they typically have less power and resources. However, they also have less people holding them accountable.
"I have a theory that the truth is never told during the nine-to-five hours. " — Hunter S. Thompson My comedy.
Maybe true for Chicago - I lived in NYC long enough to know that it isn't always true there, ditto Boston - though whether I am thinking of the exceptions or the rule is debatable. I suspect that the size of a city and the relative anonymity of one's neighbors/customers/constituents may indeed correlate with a lack of ethical dealing. Nonetheless, I believe that Lord Acton proves just as correct there - the more power they have, the more corrupt they become.
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.
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Maybe true for Chicago - I lived in NYC long enough to know that it isn't always true there, ditto Boston - though whether I am thinking of the exceptions or the rule is debatable. I suspect that the size of a city and the relative anonymity of one's neighbors/customers/constituents may indeed correlate with a lack of ethical dealing. Nonetheless, I believe that Lord Acton proves just as correct there - the more power they have, the more corrupt they become.
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.
I have considered moving, pretty much any time I go on vacation. Unfortunately my industry is pretty specific to Chicago or NYC. I do agree with much of what you are saying about Lord Acton's beliefs, but I think it is a curve that spikes on both sides of the power scale. It could just be my skewed view, I mean our last 2 governor's convicted of felonies, and our current seems to be on that path.
"I have a theory that the truth is never told during the nine-to-five hours. " — Hunter S. Thompson My comedy.
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I have considered moving, pretty much any time I go on vacation. Unfortunately my industry is pretty specific to Chicago or NYC. I do agree with much of what you are saying about Lord Acton's beliefs, but I think it is a curve that spikes on both sides of the power scale. It could just be my skewed view, I mean our last 2 governor's convicted of felonies, and our current seems to be on that path.
"I have a theory that the truth is never told during the nine-to-five hours. " — Hunter S. Thompson My comedy.
wizardzz wrote:
I think it is a curve that spikes on both sides of the power scale.
I must have said it badly, 'cause that's what I meant. It's the power, not how its gained. Perhaps in large cities, there's simply a lot more power so those who are willing to be corrupted by it tend to to move towards the cities? Where I have moved to, the mayor of the nearest village (I live on unincorporated land) has a full-time day job, the fire dept is all volunteer, and the largest employer sells rose bushes by catalog.
wizardzz wrote:
I have considered moving,
A lot of people are voting with their feet. I'll have a brand new congressman representing me after 2012, because South Carolina has picked one up and New York has lost one. Of course, if enough people move, there will be more power available. . . :omg:
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.
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wizardzz wrote:
I think it is a curve that spikes on both sides of the power scale.
I must have said it badly, 'cause that's what I meant. It's the power, not how its gained. Perhaps in large cities, there's simply a lot more power so those who are willing to be corrupted by it tend to to move towards the cities? Where I have moved to, the mayor of the nearest village (I live on unincorporated land) has a full-time day job, the fire dept is all volunteer, and the largest employer sells rose bushes by catalog.
wizardzz wrote:
I have considered moving,
A lot of people are voting with their feet. I'll have a brand new congressman representing me after 2012, because South Carolina has picked one up and New York has lost one. Of course, if enough people move, there will be more power available. . . :omg:
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.
Oakman wrote:
I must have said it badly, 'cause that's what I meant. It's the power, not how its gained. Perhaps in large cities, there's simply a lot more power so those who are willing to be corrupted by it tend to to move towards the cities? Where I have moved to, the mayor of the nearest village (I live on unincorporated land) has a full-time day job, the fire dept is all volunteer, and the largest employer sells rose bushes by catalog.
Now that's my idea of government!
"I have a theory that the truth is never told during the nine-to-five hours. " — Hunter S. Thompson My comedy.
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How do I say this? Proof or I don't believe it. The only 'ethics' in business is those guided by laws, same with politics, unfortunately politicians get to create laws.
"I have a theory that the truth is never told during the nine-to-five hours. " — Hunter S. Thompson My comedy.
wizardzz wrote:
The only 'ethics' in business is those guided by laws, same with politics, unfortunately politicians get to create laws.
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How do I say this? Proof or I don't believe it. The only 'ethics' in business is those guided by laws, same with politics, unfortunately politicians get to create laws.
"I have a theory that the truth is never told during the nine-to-five hours. " — Hunter S. Thompson My comedy.
wizardzz wrote:
The only 'ethics' in business is those guided by laws
This is true within the large picture but I have seen cases (small mid-west towns) where ethics have been seen in a small business (not often).