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  • J JavedFeroze

    The Indian House of Commons (Lok Sabha) is in session again and I have been watching intermittently. I watch UK House of Commons in session on BBC news. I had also watched the Murdoch interrogation just recently. I wonder why is the UK's house so very congested. All the MPs seem to be sitting thigh to thigh and shoulder to shoulder. It looks very awkward and uncomfortable. They seem to be crammed. Of course, when its not as roomy as India's, MP's cannot sling punches and chairs. But jokes apart, seriously, why? Why is it like that?

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    Unlike a lot of parliaments, which are 'in the round', the UK Parliament is a confrontational 'You and us' shape. Government on one side, opposition on the other. The gap between the sides is two sword lengths so that on cannot fight in the chamber. It is only a parliament when the Mace is present, when it is not there, it is a committee. (This is evident on budget day when it is removed and the budget is read out). The reason for it's crampedness is that it was deliberately designed to be so. For most of the time there are not many members present, but on big important votes, all are present and it is standing room only for the latecomers. The reason is that on the big votes, the atmosphere is tense and charged, making it openly more hostile between the sides and easier for the whips to get round and ensure the wets don't vote the wrong way.

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    • N Nagy Vilmos

      No, tis a factoid. Mrs Wife and the girls had a 'backstage' tour from a friend about a month ago, this was one of many fascinating facts that came out. For example, the reason they're not allowed to cross the red lines during a debate is?


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      So they can't stab each other with a sword!

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      • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

        Surprisingly, that turns out not to be the case. The Original Palace of Westminster was pretty much destroyed by a fire in 1834, and the existing building was built in it's place over the thirty years starting in 1840. The number of MPs in 1840 was 658, and the current number is 650 (and about 600 too many, if you ask me). Palace of Westminster history[^] Number of Westminster MPs[^]

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        Nagy Vilmos
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        Okay, my numbers are 100 years out. Rounding error. :-O


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        • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

          Surprisingly, that turns out not to be the case. The Original Palace of Westminster was pretty much destroyed by a fire in 1834, and the existing building was built in it's place over the thirty years starting in 1840. The number of MPs in 1840 was 658, and the current number is 650 (and about 600 too many, if you ask me). Palace of Westminster history[^] Number of Westminster MPs[^]

          Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together. Manfred R. Bihy: "Looks as if OP is learning resistant."

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          JavedFeroze
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          Thanks.

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          • D Dalek Dave

            Unlike a lot of parliaments, which are 'in the round', the UK Parliament is a confrontational 'You and us' shape. Government on one side, opposition on the other. The gap between the sides is two sword lengths so that on cannot fight in the chamber. It is only a parliament when the Mace is present, when it is not there, it is a committee. (This is evident on budget day when it is removed and the budget is read out). The reason for it's crampedness is that it was deliberately designed to be so. For most of the time there are not many members present, but on big important votes, all are present and it is standing room only for the latecomers. The reason is that on the big votes, the atmosphere is tense and charged, making it openly more hostile between the sides and easier for the whips to get round and ensure the wets don't vote the wrong way.

            ------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] Trolls[^]

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            Thanks. The last line looks quite funny but I guess that is what is the origin of the phrase "party issues a whip...".

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            • J JavedFeroze

              Thanks. The last line looks quite funny but I guess that is what is the origin of the phrase "party issues a whip...".

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              Pete OHanlon
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              Without the whip system, it would be next to impossible for a government to get unpopular legislation through parliament.

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                Without the whip system, it would be next to impossible for a government to get unpopular legislation through parliament.

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                Dalek Dave
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                See the likes of Belgium and Greece for examples of that.

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                • J JavedFeroze

                  The Indian House of Commons (Lok Sabha) is in session again and I have been watching intermittently. I watch UK House of Commons in session on BBC news. I had also watched the Murdoch interrogation just recently. I wonder why is the UK's house so very congested. All the MPs seem to be sitting thigh to thigh and shoulder to shoulder. It looks very awkward and uncomfortable. They seem to be crammed. Of course, when its not as roomy as India's, MP's cannot sling punches and chairs. But jokes apart, seriously, why? Why is it like that?

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                  Because there are too many of them; we could get rid of at least 50% and it would still be overcrowded.

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                  • J JavedFeroze

                    The Indian House of Commons (Lok Sabha) is in session again and I have been watching intermittently. I watch UK House of Commons in session on BBC news. I had also watched the Murdoch interrogation just recently. I wonder why is the UK's house so very congested. All the MPs seem to be sitting thigh to thigh and shoulder to shoulder. It looks very awkward and uncomfortable. They seem to be crammed. Of course, when its not as roomy as India's, MP's cannot sling punches and chairs. But jokes apart, seriously, why? Why is it like that?

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                    It is called doughnuting - MP's cluster around whoever is speaking - they get their face on the telly, and it makes it look like there are lots of MP's attending

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                    • D Dalek Dave

                      Unlike a lot of parliaments, which are 'in the round', the UK Parliament is a confrontational 'You and us' shape. Government on one side, opposition on the other. The gap between the sides is two sword lengths so that on cannot fight in the chamber. It is only a parliament when the Mace is present, when it is not there, it is a committee. (This is evident on budget day when it is removed and the budget is read out). The reason for it's crampedness is that it was deliberately designed to be so. For most of the time there are not many members present, but on big important votes, all are present and it is standing room only for the latecomers. The reason is that on the big votes, the atmosphere is tense and charged, making it openly more hostile between the sides and easier for the whips to get round and ensure the wets don't vote the wrong way.

                      ------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] Trolls[^]

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                      No, it's crowded cos they're a bunch of fat, ugly users with no sense and too much power. :)

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                        Because there are too many of them; we could get rid of at least 50% and it would still be overcrowded.

                        Unrequited desire is character building.

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                        Pete OHanlon
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                        There would be plenty of room if Eric Pickles wasn't there.

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                        • P Pete OHanlon

                          There would be plenty of room if Eric Pickles wasn't there.

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                          :laugh: :laugh:

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                          • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                            Simple: They know the cameras are there and want to be seen on telly. Before the cameras started broadcasting, if you visited you were lucky to find a dozen in there - and some of those would be asleep.

                            Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together. Manfred R. Bihy: "Looks as if OP is learning resistant."

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                            Public schools.

                            It always itches for the first week or so. My Mu[sic] My Films My Windows Programs, etc.

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                              Public schools.

                              It always itches for the first week or so. My Mu[sic] My Films My Windows Programs, etc.

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                              That was an odd email:

                              Public schools.
                              It always itches for the first week or so.

                              In context, it makes sense. Out of context, though...

                              Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together. Manfred R. Bihy: "Looks as if OP is learning resistant."

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                              • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                                That was an odd email:

                                Public schools.
                                It always itches for the first week or so.

                                In context, it makes sense. Out of context, though...

                                Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together. Manfred R. Bihy: "Looks as if OP is learning resistant."

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                                GenJerDan
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                                :)

                                It always itches for the first week or so. My Mu[sic] My Films My Windows Programs, etc.

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