how is this dealth with in your country?

Nemanja Trifunovic

Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: I guess marxism was sort of a religion in countries behind the iron curtain. They (the commies) called it a science, but it was highly reccomended not to question the postulates of this "science". :rolleyes: :beer:

Nemanja Trifunovic

Thomas George wrote: But again Linux v/s Microsoft discussions make me wonder - will we ever think rationally? Don't even mention X| X| Linux X| X| in the same sentence with :rose: :rose: Microsoft :rose: :rose: :beer:

Jorgen Sigvardsson

tstih wrote: 1. What's your country? Sweden tstih wrote: 2. What exactly was that religion class all about? Who was the teacher (priest?) Well, during the first years as I mentioned it was christian teaching only. It was just about making us good protestants I guess. I don't think this is the case anylong though since there are many immigrants here in Sweden coming from non-christian cultures. I'm not sure though (I don't have any kids either, so I can't really ask someone). Later on the religion classes were basically about enlighting us about other religions so that we could have a better understanding about the rest of the world I guess. It also provided the students with enough information to make a choice of their own. The teachers were ordinary teachers who had taken theology classes at the university. At least I assume they have. I know the high school teacher had a master equivalent title in theology. tstih wrote: 3. Is this still the case in your country? I'm pretty sure that religion classes in public schools are not tied to any particular religion nowadays. But I can't be 100% sure since it was quite a while ago since I went to school. tstih wrote: 4. Is it the same for all kids or optional? In public schools I would say; yes it's the same for all kids. At least it should be. But then again, some school in "Hicksville" may still be pushing the bible down everybodys throat, totally ignoring the board of school directives. Private schools are a bit different. They are mandated by the board of school to teach a certain curriculum. The private schools can then add their own classes to that curriculum if they want. There were reports a year ago or so about a christian school which taught the kids their own version of biology. tstih wrote: 5. If optional, who's financing it? The state finances all public schools in Sweden. Everything from elementary schools to university. Which is pretty nice - I haven't paid a dime for my education (if you disregard the taxes I'm paying now ;)). Private schools are of course financed by their owners. I think private schools may be getting some money from the state, but I'm not certain. -- This space for rent.

Rand Althor

Failing to see the relationship with Visual C++, here. In Indonesia all school have (well, don't know now) religious education. I went to a Roman Catholic school there and they have about 3 hours a week on the religion. This include discussion on what the Church thinks, about history, and when you get a bit mature (like in Senior high) debate on sexuality, work, and how the Church perceives those things. In public schools, which are all exclusively Muslim, they have the same things, but from the Islamic point of view. I had Catholic friends going to these schools (some of these public schools are extremely hard to get into and are very good, among the best in the country).They had a choice to attend these classes or to skip it. One of my friends became a very good ping-pong player from skipping these classes. He had no choice, he lived in a rural area, and this school was the only one in the 100km area. So, yeah.. different country, different rules. Indonesia a very religious country, as all poorer nations are. They are proud of their devotion, and good on Them. I also went to High School in New Zealand. Here's there's no such thing as a religious education per se. They practically assume that you are a Christian of some sort. During school assemblies, they pray in the Christian manner: head bowed, hand clapsed together and read from Bible. No accomodation whatsoever for anything else, really.. but hey.. it's an English-based nation.

Jorgen Sigvardsson

Nemanja Trifunovic wrote: They (the commies) called it a science, but it was highly reccomended not to question the postulates of this "science". What is the political agenda of the current government of Serbia? I assume it's still left wing.. right? ;) I see you're living in the US right now. How did you end up there? Do you have a green card or do you have a visa? Sorry for asking, but I'm gathering as much information as possible about getting a permanent job in the US. I'm a bit tired of socialism for the moment.. I want to earn my own retirement fund myself so that I'm able surf CP all day long withou any monetary worries when the day comes when I don't want to work anymore. :) -- This space for rent.

Jorgen Sigvardsson

BTW, from your biography: Dislikes: GUI programming, writing documentation, garbage collectors, Open Source zealots. You're so correct! :-D -- This space for rent.

John Carson

I don't know what the practice is in public schools in Australia; it probably varies from state to state. But almost all private schools (most of which are religious) receive government subsidies, so there is no strict separation of church and state the way there is in the United States. To qualify for subsidies, private schools have to teach a core curriculum and satisfy certain standards for libraries, teacher training etc. Private schools are then free to add their own distinctive slant, which may include religious instruction. John Carson

Lost User

How about Microsoft Linux XP? :-D Thomas My article on a reference-counted smart pointer that supports polymorphic objects and raw pointers

Nemanja Trifunovic

Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: What is the political agenda of the current government of Serbia? I assume it's still left wing.. right? No, they are a kind of centrists now. Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: How did you end up there? Eh, when I came here, times were much better for programmers. They (the company I worked for) were begging me to come. I don't think they would do that in today's economy :~ . :beer:

Chris Austin

Rand Al'Thore.........where is Mat dammit ;) Fill me with your knowledge, your wisdom, your coffee.

Ranjan Banerji

No not sponsored by the state.

Ranjan Banerji

Just curious. Where are you from and how is religion handled in schools there?

Christian Graus

I'd say it's 90% certain that public schools are not allowed to teach religion anymore. Private schools most definately can, and do. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002

David Wulff

I've been to numerous private and public schools in England at primary level - I've had to attend a chapel daily to sing Christian hymns from my own hymn book, I've had to sit in a circle and listen to a C-Of-E headmaster preach about the greatness of Jesus, and I've had slighlty less biased religious education lessons on Christianity, Islam and Budhism, touching briefly on the other main ones and the basic concepts of all religions - all during my primary education. During secondary education I was taught in far more depth about Christianity, Judaism and Islam, and ended up taking the full-course qualification at the end of school on Christianity and Islam, focusing on the ethics of life and sex (well I was sixteen at the time ;)). Overall I feel like I've been given quite a good religious education (about 4 hours a week in SE including homework), focusing both on the main world religions and a lot on the concepts of religion that can apply anywhere like sancicty of life, moral descisions, rights of individuals, etc. From the responses you've got so far it would seem Europe is the best place to get a broad religious understanding not geared at one particular con. Maybe because we've always been right in the thick of it over here? I know of Christian, Muslim and Sikh families living locally. I hear Germany is big on Satanists at the moment too (no offence meant to any Germans btw). :eek: What on eath is a "voucher based educational programme"? :~

David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk

David Wulff Born and Bred.

KaRl

Here in France are our public schools totally laic, thanks God! :-D The schools of the Republic are here to form citizens, not believers. Private schools are mainly catholic schools, where of course religion is teached.

Ohé Partisans, Ouvriers et Paysans C'est l'alarme! Le Chant des Partisans

Lost User

Wasn't there a case in Canada recently where a council Christmas tree was going to be cancelled out of 'sensitivity' and the Jewish and Muslim communties told them not to be stupid ? Would you like to meet my teddy bear ?

Felix Gartsman

Well, Israeli system is very complex. First you got state system and independant one. State system is divided to secular, semi-religious and religious branches. Secular is teaching Bible from second grade. Jewish holidays are discussed at their time. If you're unlucky you study when minister of education is from religious party you may study more "tradition". But the Bible studies are like history, not "sinners go to hell" style. Semi-religious and religious branches add daily prayers and additional Jewish studies. Independant system is mostly ultra-religious with religion 'round the clock. Of course Muslims study the Koran and not Bible.

Christian Graus

I dunno, but if it's not true, it's the sort of thing that *Should* be. I find the authorities of the PC brigade are far more sensitive than the people they seek to 'protect'. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002