progress bar - why???
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Hey! Our customer wants a progress bar for the transmission of messages (which is done by the services on the server...). Why do people need progress bars? don't they believe the computer is actually working? I start to hate this stuff. Why do people need indicators for a device running when it is obvious? My wife got a new computer (Dell AllinOne 23") which has a giant, annoying blue light on the power supply plug. My computer has a LED at the WLAN-Device on the backside of the machine. WTF - who cares for a light on the backside of the computer under the table? My NAS is blinking like lightning when one of us is accessing some data. Why? No one even sees this as the NAS is standing in the basement. The light is totally annoying - I don't need to switch lights on in the basement when the NAS is running. My TV has a LED to show that it's on. It usually shows the TV-program too when it's on - so why does it need a light indicating that it's on? My toaster got a LED to show it's on. My mixer has a light to show it's on. Even the fridge has a LED. I'm actually waiting for a lamp with a LED indicating that it's on.
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Hey! Our customer wants a progress bar for the transmission of messages (which is done by the services on the server...). Why do people need progress bars? don't they believe the computer is actually working? I start to hate this stuff. Why do people need indicators for a device running when it is obvious? My wife got a new computer (Dell AllinOne 23") which has a giant, annoying blue light on the power supply plug. My computer has a LED at the WLAN-Device on the backside of the machine. WTF - who cares for a light on the backside of the computer under the table? My NAS is blinking like lightning when one of us is accessing some data. Why? No one even sees this as the NAS is standing in the basement. The light is totally annoying - I don't need to switch lights on in the basement when the NAS is running. My TV has a LED to show that it's on. It usually shows the TV-program too when it's on - so why does it need a light indicating that it's on? My toaster got a LED to show it's on. My mixer has a light to show it's on. Even the fridge has a LED. I'm actually waiting for a lamp with a LED indicating that it's on.
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TorstenH. wrote:
My TV has a LED to show that it's on. It usually shows the TV-program too when it's on - so why does it need a light indicating that it's on?
Because if your TV isn't showing a TV show, the LED would let you know that it is plugged in and getting power and, therefore, if your TV isn't showing a show, then it's broken (or you forgot to plug the cable / satellite / antenna in). All the extra lights might be annoying and seem pointless, right up to the point where something stops working and you are scratching your head wondering why.
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Hey! Our customer wants a progress bar for the transmission of messages (which is done by the services on the server...). Why do people need progress bars? don't they believe the computer is actually working? I start to hate this stuff. Why do people need indicators for a device running when it is obvious? My wife got a new computer (Dell AllinOne 23") which has a giant, annoying blue light on the power supply plug. My computer has a LED at the WLAN-Device on the backside of the machine. WTF - who cares for a light on the backside of the computer under the table? My NAS is blinking like lightning when one of us is accessing some data. Why? No one even sees this as the NAS is standing in the basement. The light is totally annoying - I don't need to switch lights on in the basement when the NAS is running. My TV has a LED to show that it's on. It usually shows the TV-program too when it's on - so why does it need a light indicating that it's on? My toaster got a LED to show it's on. My mixer has a light to show it's on. Even the fridge has a LED. I'm actually waiting for a lamp with a LED indicating that it's on.
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TorstenH. wrote:
when it is obvious
Because it is not. There is no way to differentiate a computer hanging from a computer performing a lenghty task in the background. Killing a task being performed in the background can result in much more damage than being annoyed by a LED. For someone who worked on embedded systems and who debugged "à la LED", it is obvious that redundant visual information is necessary. Always.
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TorstenH. wrote:
My TV has a LED to show that it's on. It usually shows the TV-program too when it's on - so why does it need a light indicating that it's on?
Because if your TV isn't showing a TV show, the LED would let you know that it is plugged in and getting power and, therefore, if your TV isn't showing a show, then it's broken (or you forgot to plug the cable / satellite / antenna in). All the extra lights might be annoying and seem pointless, right up to the point where something stops working and you are scratching your head wondering why.
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Hey! Our customer wants a progress bar for the transmission of messages (which is done by the services on the server...). Why do people need progress bars? don't they believe the computer is actually working? I start to hate this stuff. Why do people need indicators for a device running when it is obvious? My wife got a new computer (Dell AllinOne 23") which has a giant, annoying blue light on the power supply plug. My computer has a LED at the WLAN-Device on the backside of the machine. WTF - who cares for a light on the backside of the computer under the table? My NAS is blinking like lightning when one of us is accessing some data. Why? No one even sees this as the NAS is standing in the basement. The light is totally annoying - I don't need to switch lights on in the basement when the NAS is running. My TV has a LED to show that it's on. It usually shows the TV-program too when it's on - so why does it need a light indicating that it's on? My toaster got a LED to show it's on. My mixer has a light to show it's on. Even the fridge has a LED. I'm actually waiting for a lamp with a LED indicating that it's on.
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I purchased a samsung AC[^] for my bedroom a few months back and it had a GIANT led that will be ON as long as the AC is on. Day or night. It was bright enough to annoy the **** out of me enough that I called them up and gave them a profane verbal bashing. They told me that the light indicates that the AC is on, and I told them I'll know the AC is on, because I'm the ****** one who turns it on. And I'll know it isn't working if it is not blowing out cold air, and the room is not chilling up. I asked them to take their junk back, took a refund and installed a Hitachi. The new one as well has a small light, but it hardly is noticeable.
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Hey! Our customer wants a progress bar for the transmission of messages (which is done by the services on the server...). Why do people need progress bars? don't they believe the computer is actually working? I start to hate this stuff. Why do people need indicators for a device running when it is obvious? My wife got a new computer (Dell AllinOne 23") which has a giant, annoying blue light on the power supply plug. My computer has a LED at the WLAN-Device on the backside of the machine. WTF - who cares for a light on the backside of the computer under the table? My NAS is blinking like lightning when one of us is accessing some data. Why? No one even sees this as the NAS is standing in the basement. The light is totally annoying - I don't need to switch lights on in the basement when the NAS is running. My TV has a LED to show that it's on. It usually shows the TV-program too when it's on - so why does it need a light indicating that it's on? My toaster got a LED to show it's on. My mixer has a light to show it's on. Even the fridge has a LED. I'm actually waiting for a lamp with a LED indicating that it's on.
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Since the beginning programs had the bad habit of crashing 'silently'. It took a while for the users to realize this and even then they were not sure wether or not it was just very busy or really crashed. So they invented some animated indicator with the (shaky) logic that the computer cannot have crashed as long as it can still update the animation. Progress bars are an improved version of such indicators. They don't only assure you that everything is still going in the right direction, but also provide an estimate on how long you still have to wait. Try it yourself. Wait for five minutes, one time while holding a stopwatch and one time while waiting for somebody else to tell you that the five minutes are over. Which one of those two will probably more boring or annoying?
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Hey! Our customer wants a progress bar for the transmission of messages (which is done by the services on the server...). Why do people need progress bars? don't they believe the computer is actually working? I start to hate this stuff. Why do people need indicators for a device running when it is obvious? My wife got a new computer (Dell AllinOne 23") which has a giant, annoying blue light on the power supply plug. My computer has a LED at the WLAN-Device on the backside of the machine. WTF - who cares for a light on the backside of the computer under the table? My NAS is blinking like lightning when one of us is accessing some data. Why? No one even sees this as the NAS is standing in the basement. The light is totally annoying - I don't need to switch lights on in the basement when the NAS is running. My TV has a LED to show that it's on. It usually shows the TV-program too when it's on - so why does it need a light indicating that it's on? My toaster got a LED to show it's on. My mixer has a light to show it's on. Even the fridge has a LED. I'm actually waiting for a lamp with a LED indicating that it's on.
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TorstenH. wrote:
who cares for a light on the backside of the computer under the table?
you?
TorstenH. wrote:
No one even sees this as the NAS is standing in the basement. The light is totally annoying
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TorstenH. wrote:
I'm actually waiting for a lamp with a LED indicating that it's on.
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Hey! Our customer wants a progress bar for the transmission of messages (which is done by the services on the server...). Why do people need progress bars? don't they believe the computer is actually working? I start to hate this stuff. Why do people need indicators for a device running when it is obvious? My wife got a new computer (Dell AllinOne 23") which has a giant, annoying blue light on the power supply plug. My computer has a LED at the WLAN-Device on the backside of the machine. WTF - who cares for a light on the backside of the computer under the table? My NAS is blinking like lightning when one of us is accessing some data. Why? No one even sees this as the NAS is standing in the basement. The light is totally annoying - I don't need to switch lights on in the basement when the NAS is running. My TV has a LED to show that it's on. It usually shows the TV-program too when it's on - so why does it need a light indicating that it's on? My toaster got a LED to show it's on. My mixer has a light to show it's on. Even the fridge has a LED. I'm actually waiting for a lamp with a LED indicating that it's on.
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Partly, it is a reassurance thing. The LED is there to let you know something is happening - if PC is sluggish, for example, I often glance at the router to see what is happening. If my NAS doesn't blink every hour or so, I know that something is wrong - my automated backups aren't working. And on software, a progress bar is much, much better than a blank screen - if a user can see something happening, they are happier that the job is in hand. Think about it: Would you want to watch builders stand there doing nothing while concrete sets? They can't do anything until it does, but that doesn't mean it should look like they are goofing off. My toaster has no lights, no magnets. It has a mechanical lever to lower / raise the toast, and a clockwork timer. I can tell it is working because the knob goes round and it ticks at me. Previous ones just sit there and toast and I have been known to eject the bread early as "it must be done by now". My TV has options to turn the LED off: both when it is working, and when it is in standby.
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Hey! Our customer wants a progress bar for the transmission of messages (which is done by the services on the server...). Why do people need progress bars? don't they believe the computer is actually working? I start to hate this stuff. Why do people need indicators for a device running when it is obvious? My wife got a new computer (Dell AllinOne 23") which has a giant, annoying blue light on the power supply plug. My computer has a LED at the WLAN-Device on the backside of the machine. WTF - who cares for a light on the backside of the computer under the table? My NAS is blinking like lightning when one of us is accessing some data. Why? No one even sees this as the NAS is standing in the basement. The light is totally annoying - I don't need to switch lights on in the basement when the NAS is running. My TV has a LED to show that it's on. It usually shows the TV-program too when it's on - so why does it need a light indicating that it's on? My toaster got a LED to show it's on. My mixer has a light to show it's on. Even the fridge has a LED. I'm actually waiting for a lamp with a LED indicating that it's on.
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the TV is digital. it says 'no signal' and presents a blue background when there's nothing to show.
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TorstenH. wrote:
when it is obvious
Because it is not. There is no way to differentiate a computer hanging from a computer performing a lenghty task in the background. Killing a task being performed in the background can result in much more damage than being annoyed by a LED. For someone who worked on embedded systems and who debugged "à la LED", it is obvious that redundant visual information is necessary. Always.
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Cars that beep when you do something. Like turn the volume up. Yes, I can tell the volume is higher you idiot car! :mad:
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Hey! Our customer wants a progress bar for the transmission of messages (which is done by the services on the server...). Why do people need progress bars? don't they believe the computer is actually working? I start to hate this stuff. Why do people need indicators for a device running when it is obvious? My wife got a new computer (Dell AllinOne 23") which has a giant, annoying blue light on the power supply plug. My computer has a LED at the WLAN-Device on the backside of the machine. WTF - who cares for a light on the backside of the computer under the table? My NAS is blinking like lightning when one of us is accessing some data. Why? No one even sees this as the NAS is standing in the basement. The light is totally annoying - I don't need to switch lights on in the basement when the NAS is running. My TV has a LED to show that it's on. It usually shows the TV-program too when it's on - so why does it need a light indicating that it's on? My toaster got a LED to show it's on. My mixer has a light to show it's on. Even the fridge has a LED. I'm actually waiting for a lamp with a LED indicating that it's on.
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TorstenH. wrote:
Why do people need progress bars? don't they believe the computer is actually working?
My experience is that they indeed do not believe the computer is working. Nowadays they expect everything to be lightening fast and if it takes longer and they cannot see anything happening they think something is wrong with there computer. Showing them a progress bar will put them at ease.
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Not if the screen is broken it doesn't.
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Hey! Our customer wants a progress bar for the transmission of messages (which is done by the services on the server...). Why do people need progress bars? don't they believe the computer is actually working? I start to hate this stuff. Why do people need indicators for a device running when it is obvious? My wife got a new computer (Dell AllinOne 23") which has a giant, annoying blue light on the power supply plug. My computer has a LED at the WLAN-Device on the backside of the machine. WTF - who cares for a light on the backside of the computer under the table? My NAS is blinking like lightning when one of us is accessing some data. Why? No one even sees this as the NAS is standing in the basement. The light is totally annoying - I don't need to switch lights on in the basement when the NAS is running. My TV has a LED to show that it's on. It usually shows the TV-program too when it's on - so why does it need a light indicating that it's on? My toaster got a LED to show it's on. My mixer has a light to show it's on. Even the fridge has a LED. I'm actually waiting for a lamp with a LED indicating that it's on.
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TorstenH. wrote:
My computer has a LED at the WLAN-Device on the backside of the machine. WTF - who cares for a light on the backside of the computer under the table?
You do, if you ever have problems with network connectivity. The LEDs on the NIC don't just show on/off. They cover, connetivity, activity and speed, all of which can be part of a networking issue.
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There is definitely a difference in between a hanging machine and one that is working on something in the background. In fact a task blocking a machine is bad implemented.
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..then the LED doesn't help anyway. Mostly I would find the TV laying on the ground or a broken beer bottle in front of it.
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But if the screen was broken (as in not working rather than smashed) and there was no LED you wouldn't know if there was just a power problem or if you needed to throw a beer bottle through it.
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Hey! Our customer wants a progress bar for the transmission of messages (which is done by the services on the server...). Why do people need progress bars? don't they believe the computer is actually working? I start to hate this stuff. Why do people need indicators for a device running when it is obvious? My wife got a new computer (Dell AllinOne 23") which has a giant, annoying blue light on the power supply plug. My computer has a LED at the WLAN-Device on the backside of the machine. WTF - who cares for a light on the backside of the computer under the table? My NAS is blinking like lightning when one of us is accessing some data. Why? No one even sees this as the NAS is standing in the basement. The light is totally annoying - I don't need to switch lights on in the basement when the NAS is running. My TV has a LED to show that it's on. It usually shows the TV-program too when it's on - so why does it need a light indicating that it's on? My toaster got a LED to show it's on. My mixer has a light to show it's on. Even the fridge has a LED. I'm actually waiting for a lamp with a LED indicating that it's on.
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TorstenH. wrote:
Why do people need indicators for a device running when it is obvious?
You are a programmer. Your user is most likely not. The customer is always right. The user is always right. Even though we usually don't agree. They buy/use our software. It's their way or the highway. :)
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Hey! Our customer wants a progress bar for the transmission of messages (which is done by the services on the server...). Why do people need progress bars? don't they believe the computer is actually working? I start to hate this stuff. Why do people need indicators for a device running when it is obvious? My wife got a new computer (Dell AllinOne 23") which has a giant, annoying blue light on the power supply plug. My computer has a LED at the WLAN-Device on the backside of the machine. WTF - who cares for a light on the backside of the computer under the table? My NAS is blinking like lightning when one of us is accessing some data. Why? No one even sees this as the NAS is standing in the basement. The light is totally annoying - I don't need to switch lights on in the basement when the NAS is running. My TV has a LED to show that it's on. It usually shows the TV-program too when it's on - so why does it need a light indicating that it's on? My toaster got a LED to show it's on. My mixer has a light to show it's on. Even the fridge has a LED. I'm actually waiting for a lamp with a LED indicating that it's on.
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