Who was the first troll in the history of human civilisation
-
There is still much debate in academic circles about this, but most agree that it was either Ug or Og.
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is.
-
Sadly, over the years we have lost touch and to be truthful I never really liked Ug.
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is.
-
I think it was Socrates. Plato used the term mýops (gadfly) to refer to him in "Apology". A gadfly is essentially a troll.
L'enfer, c'est les autres - Jean-Paul Sartre
Und wenn du lange in einen abgrund blickst, blickt der Abgrund auch in dich hinein - Friedrich Nietzschetroll (n.) "ugly dwarf or giant," 1610s, from O.N. troll "giant, fiend, demon." Some speculate that it originally meant "creature that walks clumsily," and derives from P.Gmc. *truzlan, from *truzlanan (see troll (v.)). But it seems to have been a general supernatural word, cf. Swed. trolla "to charm, bewitch;" O.N. trolldomr "witchcraft." The old sagas tell of the troll-bull, a supernatural being in the form of a bull, as well as boar-trolls. There were troll-maidens, troll-wives, and troll-women; the trollman, a magician or wizard, and the troll-drum, used in Lappish magic rites. The word was popularized in English by 19c. antiquarians, but it has been current in the Shetlands and Orkneys since Viking times. The first record of it is from a court document from the Shetlands, regarding a certain Catherine, who, among other things, was accused of "airt and pairt of witchcraft and sorcerie, in hanting and seeing the Trollis ryse out of the kyrk yeard of Hildiswick." Originally conceived as a race of giants, they have suffered the same fate as the Celtic Danann and are now regarded in Denmark and Sweden as dwarfs and imps supposed to live in caves or under the ground.
So it was a girl. :-D
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
-
Sadly, over the years we have lost touch and to be truthful I never really liked Ug.
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is.
Henry Minute wrote:
I never really liked Ug.
I guess it was the boots [s]he wore...
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
-
I think it was Socrates. Plato used the term mýops (gadfly) to refer to him in "Apology". A gadfly is essentially a troll.
L'enfer, c'est les autres - Jean-Paul Sartre
Und wenn du lange in einen abgrund blickst, blickt der Abgrund auch in dich hinein - Friedrich Nietzsche -
troll (n.) "ugly dwarf or giant," 1610s, from O.N. troll "giant, fiend, demon." Some speculate that it originally meant "creature that walks clumsily," and derives from P.Gmc. *truzlan, from *truzlanan (see troll (v.)). But it seems to have been a general supernatural word, cf. Swed. trolla "to charm, bewitch;" O.N. trolldomr "witchcraft." The old sagas tell of the troll-bull, a supernatural being in the form of a bull, as well as boar-trolls. There were troll-maidens, troll-wives, and troll-women; the trollman, a magician or wizard, and the troll-drum, used in Lappish magic rites. The word was popularized in English by 19c. antiquarians, but it has been current in the Shetlands and Orkneys since Viking times. The first record of it is from a court document from the Shetlands, regarding a certain Catherine, who, among other things, was accused of "airt and pairt of witchcraft and sorcerie, in hanting and seeing the Trollis ryse out of the kyrk yeard of Hildiswick." Originally conceived as a race of giants, they have suffered the same fate as the Celtic Danann and are now regarded in Denmark and Sweden as dwarfs and imps supposed to live in caves or under the ground.
So it was a girl. :-D
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
"The first record of it is from a court document from the Shetlands, regarding a certain Catherine, who, among other things, was accused of "airt and pairt of witchcraft and sorcerie, in hanting and seeing the Trollis ryse out of the kyrk yeard of Hildiswick"
Nagy Vilmos wrote:
So it was a girl. :-D
No, she was the witch. She saw Trolls rising out of the church yard.
============================== Nothing to say.
-
Henry Minute wrote:
I never really liked Ug.
I guess it was the boots [s]he wore...
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
He always had ideas above his [sheep] station.
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is.
-
I think it was Socrates. Plato used the term mýops (gadfly) to refer to him in "Apology". A gadfly is essentially a troll.
L'enfer, c'est les autres - Jean-Paul Sartre
Und wenn du lange in einen abgrund blickst, blickt der Abgrund auch in dich hinein - Friedrich NietzscheKibo
Watched code never compiles.
-
I think it was Socrates. Plato used the term mýops (gadfly) to refer to him in "Apology". A gadfly is essentially a troll.
L'enfer, c'est les autres - Jean-Paul Sartre
Und wenn du lange in einen abgrund blickst, blickt der Abgrund auch in dich hinein - Friedrich NietzscheWouldn't the first troll be scandanavian?
-
I think it was Socrates. Plato used the term mýops (gadfly) to refer to him in "Apology". A gadfly is essentially a troll.
L'enfer, c'est les autres - Jean-Paul Sartre
Und wenn du lange in einen abgrund blickst, blickt der Abgrund auch in dich hinein - Friedrich NietzscheI do not think we can compare the use of the ancient Greek work "myOps" (that's spelled with an Omega), with a troll. But, myops does mean an insect that makes horses itchy, and irritated. In the Apology, as reported by Plato, Socrates, defending his attempts to reform Athenian society, and to refute his political enemies who are afraid of his growing influence on the younger generations ... as a threat to their power base, refers to himself, quite possibly with a sense of humor: "If I might use such a ludicrous figure of speech, I am a sort of gadly (tinos myops), given to the State by the God; and the State is like a great and noble steed who is tardy in his motions owing to his very size and requires to be stirred into life." (xviii, 25, Jowett's translation). Also, earlier in the debate with Meteus, Socrates gives analogies of good and bad masters, one of them Socrates speaks of is the master of a horse, a horse who is apathetic and lazy: and there, Socrates brings up the image of the Master as myops, commenting that at times a good master of a horse must, like a myops, spur him, perhaps irritate him, into action, and out of apathy. So Socrates' role as agent-provacateur is not an outcome of malicious and petty motivations, not an attempt to create an anarchy ... or get attention by disrupting public intercourse ... his motivation is a vision of the nature of reality and social reality ... and that vision compels him to advocate the recasting of a rigid Athenian society not founded on what for him for him were the truths of first principles (and his first principles were metaphysical principles[^]. His advocacy of change, and insistence that change was fundamental in society demonstrates this challenge of his to the formally structured class/society of Athens (remember that a Deme, a 'citizen, of Athens,' who could vote, had to be both land-owner, and slave-holder). Socrates argued, in the Symposium: "[Man] is always becoming a new being and undergoing a process of loss and reparation, which affects ... his soul as well. No man's character, habits, opinions, desires, pleasures, pains, and fears remain always the same; new ones come into existence and old ones disappear." The evolution of the meaning of the word 'troll' on the internet in the last twenty years is a very interesting topic, in itself. And has changed focus from inner-members of early discussion groups setting 'traps for newbies,'
