I am claiming an exception to Godwin's Law
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Nazi Slaves being Taxed.[^] How typical of our European neighbours that when things are a bit tight and they will be required to foot the bill of all the profligate countries in Europe that they decide to retroactively tax people enslaved under Nazi Rules. Hitler would have been proud of them.
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Sorry, thi is money, given by Germany, to Belgiums, livinb in Belgium, as compensation for being used as slave labour. So, are you suggesting that these people, unlike every other recipient of a German pension, should NOT pay tax? Perhaps the Germans should just stop giving them their pension if taxing them on it is so offensive to you.
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TorstenH. wrote:
How I hate that. Why are you English people always sympathise with the Nazi time? Nice comments in that thread there.
How I hate that. Why are you German people always failing to understand irony and sarcasm? I was not looking at this article with fondness, I was, in point of fact, highlighting the offensiveness in an almost litotial manner by the use of ironic concepts. ie Using an awful, hated man's praise as an indication of the objectionable nature of the facts. Thus Godwin's Law. Perhaps you need to research into how Godwin's Law works, then re-read my original post.
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Hitler would have been proud of them. How I hate that. Why are you English people always sympathise with the Nazi time? Nice comments in that thread there. To set a tax on an income - no matter if it's a pension or working income - is absolute normal in Germany. That's why we get along much better than some other states in Europe. Now this is a special "income" and they need to take a closer look. And there we can find out that other states are the ones that are charging taxes and not the Germany. Russia has no taxes on those compensations. The English regulations on forced laborer compensations can be read here. I bet there is something more behind the story.
regards Torsten I never finish anyth...
The story is pretty clear on what it states... Hence according to that my late father could possibly be taxed (if he was alive) for having worked in repairing Vermacht boots at the age of 11-13 in Bergen Belsen... For the sake of all of us I am stopping here.
Alberto Bar-Noy --------------- “The city’s central computer told you? R2D2, you know better than to trust a strange computer!” (C3PO)
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Yes I understand what the Nazis did was horrific. These slave labourers should count themselves lucky that they are receiving a special pension. If they were slave labourers in most other countries they would have gotten nothing. Having said that, it is not right that the Germans drop this bomb on them know. Let them be, in another 10 to 20 years there wont be any WW2 survivors left that would qualify for the pernsion.
Ego non sum semper iustus tamen Ego sum nunquam nefas!
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Nazi Slaves being Taxed.[^] How typical of our European neighbours that when things are a bit tight and they will be required to foot the bill of all the profligate countries in Europe that they decide to retroactively tax people enslaved under Nazi Rules. Hitler would have been proud of them.
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:wtf: Beyond comprehension, beyond parody and beyond the pale.
Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
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Sorry, thi is money, given by Germany, to Belgiums, livinb in Belgium, as compensation for being used as slave labour. So, are you suggesting that these people, unlike every other recipient of a German pension, should NOT pay tax? Perhaps the Germans should just stop giving them their pension if taxing them on it is so offensive to you.
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Perhaps the Germans shouldn't have used slave labour in the first place, or at least, taxed them at source back in the 40's. To retrospectively tax them for the last 6 years seems a little unfair too. And how much will it raise? Bugger all in the great scheme of things, certainly not enough to dig France out of the hole it is about to find itself in.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
How I hate that. Why are you German people always failing to understand irony and sarcasm?
No joke item, no or tags. How the hell is he supposed to read you mind?
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Why would I use a joke icon? There was no joke there. I cannot help it if other people fail to see sarcasm or irony. There are no icons for those. And as for you commenting on my composition style, that is a bit rich considering you cannot make a posting without spelling errors.
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Sorry, thi is money, given by Germany, to Belgiums, livinb in Belgium, as compensation for being used as slave labour. So, are you suggesting that these people, unlike every other recipient of a German pension, should NOT pay tax? Perhaps the Germans should just stop giving them their pension if taxing them on it is so offensive to you.
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Taxing pensions they pay as compensation to slave labor is immoral... So the real question is did Germany become more moral after starting and loosing 2 world wars? Or it just fighting the third one with financial means? Haven't Germany and Germans learned anything?
Alberto Bar-Noy --------------- “The city’s central computer told you? R2D2, you know better than to trust a strange computer!” (C3PO)
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Perhaps the Germans shouldn't have used slave labour in the first place, or at least, taxed them at source back in the 40's. To retrospectively tax them for the last 6 years seems a little unfair too. And how much will it raise? Bugger all in the great scheme of things, certainly not enough to dig France out of the hole it is about to find itself in.
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taxing at the source slave laborers... Now isn't that grand.. How didn't they think of that one in all the havoc...
Alberto Bar-Noy --------------- “The city’s central computer told you? R2D2, you know better than to trust a strange computer!” (C3PO)
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Perhaps the Germans shouldn't have used slave labour in the first place, or at least, taxed them at source back in the 40's. To retrospectively tax them for the last 6 years seems a little unfair too. And how much will it raise? Bugger all in the great scheme of things, certainly not enough to dig France out of the hole it is about to find itself in.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
taxed them at source back in the 40's
Yeah, see, there is a problem here... they didnt get any wages.... :)
Dalek Dave wrote:
And how much will it raise?
Sod all compares to the PR error. The UK still taxes black people. Perhaps we should not do so out of guilt for what our forebears did?
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Dalek Dave wrote:
taxed them at source back in the 40's
Yeah, see, there is a problem here... they didnt get any wages.... :)
Dalek Dave wrote:
And how much will it raise?
Sod all compares to the PR error. The UK still taxes black people. Perhaps we should not do so out of guilt for what our forebears did?
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Erudite_Eric wrote:
Yeah, see, there is a problem here... they didnt get any wages....
So what's the problem? If the wages were zero, then the tax would also be zero, and so they would have paid the tax bill in full. The money received now is a compensation, and under European law, legal compensation does not attract tax.
Erudite_Eric wrote:
Sod all compares to the PR error.
Indeed.
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Taxing pensions they pay as compensation to slave labor is immoral... So the real question is did Germany become more moral after starting and loosing 2 world wars? Or it just fighting the third one with financial means? Haven't Germany and Germans learned anything?
Alberto Bar-Noy --------------- “The city’s central computer told you? R2D2, you know better than to trust a strange computer!” (C3PO)
You need to understand Germans. They have laws, and they follow them, with almost no thought at all. They are utterly incapable of forseeing that taxing these pensions is in any way wrong, or likely to cause offense, and at least be very bad PR. In this respect, no, they havent learnt a thing. But dont forget the Dutch faschists were so numerous they formed an SS division. There were also faschists in Belgium who worked with the Nazis. There were faschists in England who would have too, and the US dont forget, had its own Nazi party. So while it is easy to victimise Germany dont forget that against the backdrop of their time, when eugenics was popular science, and faschism was rife, they weremt so unusual. And by the way, the British invented concentration camps many decades before the Germans.
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Erudite_Eric wrote:
Yeah, see, there is a problem here... they didnt get any wages....
So what's the problem? If the wages were zero, then the tax would also be zero, and so they would have paid the tax bill in full. The money received now is a compensation, and under European law, legal compensation does not attract tax.
Erudite_Eric wrote:
Sod all compares to the PR error.
Indeed.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
The money received now is a compensation, and under European law, legal compensation does not attract tax.
Yeah, thats what I dont get. They never paid taxes so cant get a pension. This is compensation. It should be tax free.
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Nazi Slaves being Taxed.[^] How typical of our European neighbours that when things are a bit tight and they will be required to foot the bill of all the profligate countries in Europe that they decide to retroactively tax people enslaved under Nazi Rules. Hitler would have been proud of them.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] Trolls[^]
Oh no, some people who are getting free money from a state that isn't even theirs have to pay some tax on it! How awful! It takes some nerve to be 'furious' or 'outraged' at being taxed on free income which the modern German state is really under no obligation to give to these people at all. (Does Britain pay compensatory pensions for PoWs we kept and used to build infrastructure like the Orkney causeways? I don't think so.)
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Perhaps the Germans shouldn't have used slave labour in the first place, or at least, taxed them at source back in the 40's. To retrospectively tax them for the last 6 years seems a little unfair too. And how much will it raise? Bugger all in the great scheme of things, certainly not enough to dig France out of the hole it is about to find itself in.
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Really? Passing new laws or changing existing ones is what politicians are supposed to do. And then some years are spent with trying to figure out how to implement the new laws. In the end it's a cross between a government employee and an accountant that adds up how much you should have paid and sends you a nice letter. Especially that last guy would be very surprised. Laws are laws, regulations are regulations. Both have been followed to the letter and everybody has been treated equally. So what are you complaining about? But I have a simple way to get out of their way: I leave the house only at daylight, when the bloodsuckers must stay in their coffins.
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You need to understand Germans. They have laws, and they follow them, with almost no thought at all. They are utterly incapable of forseeing that taxing these pensions is in any way wrong, or likely to cause offense, and at least be very bad PR. In this respect, no, they havent learnt a thing. But dont forget the Dutch faschists were so numerous they formed an SS division. There were also faschists in Belgium who worked with the Nazis. There were faschists in England who would have too, and the US dont forget, had its own Nazi party. So while it is easy to victimise Germany dont forget that against the backdrop of their time, when eugenics was popular science, and faschism was rife, they weremt so unusual. And by the way, the British invented concentration camps many decades before the Germans.
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Erudite_Eric wrote:
You need to understand Germans. They have laws, and they follow them, with almost no thought at all.
Thank you very much. :) I will at least try to think a little more before obeying blindly. But it's very hard... Don't you have any tax offices? Can you dicker and haggle with the beaurocrat there? Or perhaps bribe him? I suspect that he has his laws and regulations as well and follows them. You may perhaps file a complaint if you think he did not. And he is probably also not interested in wether you find that fair or not. He's not the guy who made the laws.
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Why would I use a joke icon? There was no joke there. I cannot help it if other people fail to see sarcasm or irony. There are no icons for those. And as for you commenting on my composition style, that is a bit rich considering you cannot make a posting without spelling errors.
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Oooh, touchy touchy! :) Actualy I cant type worth a damn. Anyway, sarcasm really doesnt come across in writing, you need to explicitely state it.
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There have been several discussions about invoking a Sarcasm icon. Perhaps enclosing the phrase is dollar signs would do it. $Yeah, very useful!$
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Dalek Dave wrote:
taxed them at source back in the 40's
Yeah, see, there is a problem here... they didnt get any wages.... :)
Dalek Dave wrote:
And how much will it raise?
Sod all compares to the PR error. The UK still taxes black people. Perhaps we should not do so out of guilt for what our forebears did?
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Erudite_Eric wrote:
The UK still taxes black people. Perhaps we should not do so out of guilt for what our forebears did?
I am very proud of what our forbears did.
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Erudite_Eric wrote:
You need to understand Germans. They have laws, and they follow them, with almost no thought at all.
Thank you very much. :) I will at least try to think a little more before obeying blindly. But it's very hard... Don't you have any tax offices? Can you dicker and haggle with the beaurocrat there? Or perhaps bribe him? I suspect that he has his laws and regulations as well and follows them. You may perhaps file a complaint if you think he did not. And he is probably also not interested in wether you find that fair or not. He's not the guy who made the laws.
And from the clouds a mighty voice spoke:
"Smile and be happy, for it could come worse!"And I smiled and was happy
And it came worse.CDP1802 wrote:
But it's very hard...
Not for me. I like breaking rules. Always have done, natural anarchist I suppose. :) Yes, you can always argue with the dumb system trying to screw you into the dirt. At the very least it is fun, even if your only satisfaction is knowing how much of their time you have wasted. :)
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