Well that proves it then
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ryanb31 wrote:
Then stop trying to use science as your proof for everything.
I don't. I use it for those things for which there is scientific proof. You keep harping on about our having to be 1137 years old, or not being around 400,000 years ago. It reveals a woeful ignorance. Try and think why.
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Provide some references from the Bible to back up what you are saying about the earth and sun.
ryanb31 wrote:
Provide some references from the Bible to back up what you are saying about the earth and sun.
So, you know less about the Bible than I do, and I haven't read it for many years. Tell you what. You find me some Biblical references to the earth being spherical, rotating on its axis, and circling the sun - I've never ever encountered that in the Good Book.
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You gave me an example of how man-made religion is changing things. I wanted to know where God has changed the rules.
How about between the Old and New Testaments. You yourself said that.
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ryanb31 wrote:
Provide some references from the Bible to back up what you are saying about the earth and sun.
So, you know less about the Bible than I do, and I haven't read it for many years. Tell you what. You find me some Biblical references to the earth being spherical, rotating on its axis, and circling the sun - I've never ever encountered that in the Good Book.
If people made the effort to read something three times before commenting, blogs would be much more useful places. - Anon.
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How about between the Old and New Testaments. You yourself said that.
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So you claimed to be intellectual but clearly are not. Ok, I'll be more specific since you want to wordsmith me. Do not use science as proof when science cannot prove something 400,000 years old.
ryanb31 wrote:
So you claimed to be intellectual but clearly are not.
Now you resort to insulting those you do not know. A fine example you are setting.
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Exactly, it doesn't even mention it. You are the one who claimed it said the earth was flat so why would I try to find the reference. Waste of time.
Actually, it does. I suggest you go home and study up. All the references insinuate the world is not spherical.
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ryanb31 wrote:
So you claimed to be intellectual but clearly are not.
Now you resort to insulting those you do not know. A fine example you are setting.
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Here is where you will get lost if we get into that discussion. The adults need to get back to work now. Thanks.
I don't believe I would get lost. I know the bible as well as you do, trust me. You won't get into that argument because you have realized that you have talked yourself into a corner.
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Actually, it does. I suggest you go home and study up. All the references insinuate the world is not spherical.
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God spoke with men called as prophets and they wrote exactly what he told them to. At that point, yes the writings were perfect and the EXACT word of God. However, for example, shortly after Christ died the rest of the apostles were also killed and the apostasy began. God's authority was no longer held by man on earth and there was no longer any on-going revelation between God and prophets which is why the Bible ends. Man then began to put its own interpretation on the writings and man translated, not inspired prophets, the Bible. King James had many, many men, not prophets, translate the Bible to the best of their knowledge. So, yes I believe in the Bible as far as it is translated correctly. But some of the plain and precious truths have been removed, even some of them were removed intentionally. For example, the King James version says the the Lord hardened Pharaoh's heart after each of the plagues by Moses. That can't be true because it contradicts all of the other teaching of the Lord's. The Lord will soften hearts, never harden them. But you still have not answered my question. Do you believe the timeline in the Bible? I am not trying to argue religious facts about the Bible but merely do you accept the timeline it presents?
ryanb31 wrote:
So, yes I believe in the Bible as far as it is translated correctly.
ryanb31 wrote:
For example, the King James version says the the Lord hardened Pharaoh's heart after each of the plagues by Moses. That can't be true because it contradicts all of the other teaching of the Lord's.
Well, not each plague, only a selection. Pharoah's heart hardens of its own accord sometimes. Can you tell me what a translation of the Hebrew version of Exodus actually says, and how it was mistranslated.
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So you claimed to be intellectual but clearly are not. Ok, I'll be more specific since you want to wordsmith me. Do not use science as proof when science cannot prove something 400,000 years old.
ryanb31 wrote:
when science cannot prove something 400,000 years old
Prove what is 400,000 years old, exactly? Horses for courses, you know.
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ryanb31 wrote:
If there is so much of it, it should be easy for you to find.
And, equally, for you, too! Hint: Can you see all the kingdoms of a spherical world from the top of a very high mountain?
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Provide some references from the Bible to back up what you are saying about the earth and sun.
The Genesis creation story says the earth is covered by a vault (firmament) and that the celestial bodies move inside the vault. (See Genesis 1:6-8) This makes no sense unless one assumes that the earth is essentially flat. Joshua 10:12 puts the Sun and Moon over the earth. Isaiah 40:22 - the heavens are a curtain spread like a tent over the earth. Now I know you're going to say it's OT so it doesn't count, so herre's some NT for you. Revelations 1:7, they'll only see Him from everywhere if the earth is flat. Revelations 7:1 talks of the four corners of the earth, that sounds like a flat finite area to me. There you go, five references.
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ryanb31 wrote:
If there is so much of it, it should be easy for you to find.
And, equally, for you, too! Hint: Can you see all the kingdoms of a spherical world from the top of a very high mountain?
If people made the effort to read something three times before commenting, blogs would be much more useful places. - Anon.
Extra points: Genesis 1:6-8, Joshua 10:12, Isaiah 40:22, Revelations 1:7, and Revelations 7:1.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
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I don't believe I would get lost. I know the bible as well as you do, trust me. You won't get into that argument because you have realized that you have talked yourself into a corner.
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ryanb31 wrote:
So, yes I believe in the Bible as far as it is translated correctly.
ryanb31 wrote:
For example, the King James version says the the Lord hardened Pharaoh's heart after each of the plagues by Moses. That can't be true because it contradicts all of the other teaching of the Lord's.
Well, not each plague, only a selection. Pharoah's heart hardens of its own accord sometimes. Can you tell me what a translation of the Hebrew version of Exodus actually says, and how it was mistranslated.
If people made the effort to read something three times before commenting, blogs would be much more useful places. - Anon.
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The Genesis creation story says the earth is covered by a vault (firmament) and that the celestial bodies move inside the vault. (See Genesis 1:6-8) This makes no sense unless one assumes that the earth is essentially flat. Joshua 10:12 puts the Sun and Moon over the earth. Isaiah 40:22 - the heavens are a curtain spread like a tent over the earth. Now I know you're going to say it's OT so it doesn't count, so herre's some NT for you. Revelations 1:7, they'll only see Him from everywhere if the earth is flat. Revelations 7:1 talks of the four corners of the earth, that sounds like a flat finite area to me. There you go, five references.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
Good effort but way off. I do not know what version of the Bible you are reading but some of those are VERY different than the King James version. 1. Genesis: Wow, what an assumption by you. 2. Joshua: "puts the Sun and Moon over the earth" These are YOUR words. That means the earth is flat? Are you insane? Please go look outside and tell me where yo see the sun and then tonight the moon. Seriously? You can't possibly have meant this but for the life of me I can't follow you on this one. 3. Again, what in the world version of the Bible are you reading? 4. OT does count. Don't twist my words. If what you say is true then Christ did not walk on water either. I don't know how it will be but yes I do know that everyone will see Christ when he comes again. Everyone, even on a round world. There is a law of physics you 1137s don't even know about. 5. Even modern language uses this term. That's because of maps being flat. Really? You don't even seem like you are trying.
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"I will not believe anything on faith alone." You contradict yourself. Faith is believing in something you cannot see. You believe some guy in a white coat who told you that something happened 400,000 years ago. That is much more far stretched than believing in the Bible.
I can see the guy in the white coat because I can visit him if I so choose and I can prove they existed from multiple reliable sources. Can you say the same for your toga wearing hippie pixie?(No offense to hippies, or pixies)
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I can see the guy in the white coat because I can visit him if I so choose and I can prove they existed from multiple reliable sources. Can you say the same for your toga wearing hippie pixie?(No offense to hippies, or pixies)
I wasn't, now I am, then I won't be anymore.