The land of the free..........bollocks I say.
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Freedom in the good old US of A. Now that is an oximoron of note. US citizens must be one of the most controlled societies in the world. You have a government that rules it's citizens by installing fear. "Oooooohhhhh, be carefull Joe Public, there are muslim extreemists around every corner that are trying to blow you to smithereens. Watch out for the communists they want to nuke our arses, etc I mean you have laws that allows your government to detain any person for as long as they wish, without due process. In California you have laws that prevent you from having a cigarette in your own house. There are many more examples. This does not sound like the land of the free, it sounds more like the land of the oppressed that think that they are free.
If only closed minds would come with closed mouths. Ego non sum semper iustus tamen Ego sum nunquam nefas!
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Freedom in the good old US of A. Now that is an oximoron of note. US citizens must be one of the most controlled societies in the world. You have a government that rules it's citizens by installing fear. "Oooooohhhhh, be carefull Joe Public, there are muslim extreemists around every corner that are trying to blow you to smithereens. Watch out for the communists they want to nuke our arses, etc I mean you have laws that allows your government to detain any person for as long as they wish, without due process. In California you have laws that prevent you from having a cigarette in your own house. There are many more examples. This does not sound like the land of the free, it sounds more like the land of the oppressed that think that they are free.
If only closed minds would come with closed mouths. Ego non sum semper iustus tamen Ego sum nunquam nefas!
sucram wrote:
one of the most controlled societies in the world.
I think not. There are several dictators and religious countries that make ours look "free". However I do agree that we are not as free as we once were.
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Freedom in the good old US of A. Now that is an oximoron of note. US citizens must be one of the most controlled societies in the world. You have a government that rules it's citizens by installing fear. "Oooooohhhhh, be carefull Joe Public, there are muslim extreemists around every corner that are trying to blow you to smithereens. Watch out for the communists they want to nuke our arses, etc I mean you have laws that allows your government to detain any person for as long as they wish, without due process. In California you have laws that prevent you from having a cigarette in your own house. There are many more examples. This does not sound like the land of the free, it sounds more like the land of the oppressed that think that they are free.
If only closed minds would come with closed mouths. Ego non sum semper iustus tamen Ego sum nunquam nefas!
I see you are talking out your ass again.
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Freedom in the good old US of A. Now that is an oximoron of note. US citizens must be one of the most controlled societies in the world. You have a government that rules it's citizens by installing fear. "Oooooohhhhh, be carefull Joe Public, there are muslim extreemists around every corner that are trying to blow you to smithereens. Watch out for the communists they want to nuke our arses, etc I mean you have laws that allows your government to detain any person for as long as they wish, without due process. In California you have laws that prevent you from having a cigarette in your own house. There are many more examples. This does not sound like the land of the free, it sounds more like the land of the oppressed that think that they are free.
If only closed minds would come with closed mouths. Ego non sum semper iustus tamen Ego sum nunquam nefas!
sucram wrote:
I mean you have laws that allows your government to detain any person for as long as they wish, without due process.
And the first president post Obama should use that new found power to lock up all those who voted it in. Including Obama. That would be a nice example of why that kind of power should not exist. The rest of what you are describing is more of a social problem. One of the *freedoms* with our democracy is that if enough stupid people agree on something it can become the law of the land. Freely selected and imposed oppression. meh :~
Kill some time, play my game Hop Cheops[^]
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sucram wrote:
I mean you have laws that allows your government to detain any person for as long as they wish, without due process.
And the first president post Obama should use that new found power to lock up all those who voted it in. Including Obama. That would be a nice example of why that kind of power should not exist. The rest of what you are describing is more of a social problem. One of the *freedoms* with our democracy is that if enough stupid people agree on something it can become the law of the land. Freely selected and imposed oppression. meh :~
Kill some time, play my game Hop Cheops[^]
thrakazog wrote:
One of the *freedoms* with our democracy is that if enough stupid people agree on something it can become the law of the land.
:thumbsup: Well said!
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.
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Freedom in the good old US of A. Now that is an oximoron of note. US citizens must be one of the most controlled societies in the world. You have a government that rules it's citizens by installing fear. "Oooooohhhhh, be carefull Joe Public, there are muslim extreemists around every corner that are trying to blow you to smithereens. Watch out for the communists they want to nuke our arses, etc I mean you have laws that allows your government to detain any person for as long as they wish, without due process. In California you have laws that prevent you from having a cigarette in your own house. There are many more examples. This does not sound like the land of the free, it sounds more like the land of the oppressed that think that they are free.
If only closed minds would come with closed mouths. Ego non sum semper iustus tamen Ego sum nunquam nefas!
Freedom is what you make of it. I feel perfectly free to do pretty much whatever I want. Perhaps it's that what I want to do is, to most people, probably quite mundane and boring (and on par with the vast majority of other drones) but it suits me. Perhaps freedom means more to you becuase you can't do whatever is was you wanted to so you feel constrained and repelled by the current laws. As an example I have no problem with a law that stops people smoking as I don't. However, I can see where it would certainly annoy a smoker. Unfortunately in any counry with a diverse population some will feel that they are being oppressed for the freedom of others. Not fair, perhaps, but then who said life was fair? ps take a 5: not sure why you would be downvoted for expressing an opinion: bit ironic given the subject. :-)
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
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sucram wrote:
I mean you have laws that allows your government to detain any person for as long as they wish, without due process.
And the first president post Obama should use that new found power to lock up all those who voted it in. Including Obama. That would be a nice example of why that kind of power should not exist. The rest of what you are describing is more of a social problem. One of the *freedoms* with our democracy is that if enough stupid people agree on something it can become the law of the land. Freely selected and imposed oppression. meh :~
Kill some time, play my game Hop Cheops[^]
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Freedom in the good old US of A. Now that is an oximoron of note. US citizens must be one of the most controlled societies in the world. You have a government that rules it's citizens by installing fear. "Oooooohhhhh, be carefull Joe Public, there are muslim extreemists around every corner that are trying to blow you to smithereens. Watch out for the communists they want to nuke our arses, etc I mean you have laws that allows your government to detain any person for as long as they wish, without due process. In California you have laws that prevent you from having a cigarette in your own house. There are many more examples. This does not sound like the land of the free, it sounds more like the land of the oppressed that think that they are free.
If only closed minds would come with closed mouths. Ego non sum semper iustus tamen Ego sum nunquam nefas!
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Freedom in the good old US of A. Now that is an oximoron of note. US citizens must be one of the most controlled societies in the world. You have a government that rules it's citizens by installing fear. "Oooooohhhhh, be carefull Joe Public, there are muslim extreemists around every corner that are trying to blow you to smithereens. Watch out for the communists they want to nuke our arses, etc I mean you have laws that allows your government to detain any person for as long as they wish, without due process. In California you have laws that prevent you from having a cigarette in your own house. There are many more examples. This does not sound like the land of the free, it sounds more like the land of the oppressed that think that they are free.
If only closed minds would come with closed mouths. Ego non sum semper iustus tamen Ego sum nunquam nefas!
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Again, why being downvoted for expressing a heartfelt opinion? (with which I happen to agree).
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
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In 25 yrs the 9/11 attacks will be outed as a false flag event just as the gulf of tokin event was. USA has been highjacked !! just as Eisenhower feared. USA is now being farmed and you are the cattle.
Moo.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
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sucram wrote:
one of the most controlled societies in the world.
I think not. There are several dictators and religious countries that make ours look "free". However I do agree that we are not as free as we once were.
djj55 wrote:
However I do agree that we are not as free as we once were.
Maybe not as free as we "remember". But memory is selective. Think about the McCarthy era in the fifties. There seems to be some backlashes at the moment, especially on the digital front, but in general I would say that the freedom is at the high point during this lifetime.
Light moves faster than sound. That is why some people appear bright, until you hear them speak. List of common misconceptions
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thrakazog wrote:
One of the *freedoms* with our democracy is that if enough stupid people agree on something it can become the law of the land
Versus of course a dictatorship where one stupid person gets to make the law.
jschell wrote:
Versus of course a dictatorship where one stupid person gets to make the law.
A stupid person would never make it to become a dictator. A mean, egoistic, evil psychopath that couldn't care less, on the other hand...
Light moves faster than sound. That is why some people appear bright, until you hear them speak. List of common misconceptions
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djj55 wrote:
However I do agree that we are not as free as we once were.
Maybe not as free as we "remember". But memory is selective. Think about the McCarthy era in the fifties. There seems to be some backlashes at the moment, especially on the digital front, but in general I would say that the freedom is at the high point during this lifetime.
Light moves faster than sound. That is why some people appear bright, until you hear them speak. List of common misconceptions
TSA. Patriot Act. Guantanamo Bay. 'Redaction'. I don't think so.
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Freedom is what you make of it. I feel perfectly free to do pretty much whatever I want. Perhaps it's that what I want to do is, to most people, probably quite mundane and boring (and on par with the vast majority of other drones) but it suits me. Perhaps freedom means more to you becuase you can't do whatever is was you wanted to so you feel constrained and repelled by the current laws. As an example I have no problem with a law that stops people smoking as I don't. However, I can see where it would certainly annoy a smoker. Unfortunately in any counry with a diverse population some will feel that they are being oppressed for the freedom of others. Not fair, perhaps, but then who said life was fair? ps take a 5: not sure why you would be downvoted for expressing an opinion: bit ironic given the subject. :-)
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
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djj55 wrote:
However I do agree that we are not as free as we once were.
Maybe not as free as we "remember". But memory is selective. Think about the McCarthy era in the fifties. There seems to be some backlashes at the moment, especially on the digital front, but in general I would say that the freedom is at the high point during this lifetime.
Light moves faster than sound. That is why some people appear bright, until you hear them speak. List of common misconceptions
I was thinking about the crack down on freedom of speach, freedom of travel, freedom of health insurance.... During my lifetime I have seen air travel go from walk on to strip search, the boarder crosing from USA to Canada go from a quarter to "passport please" to name two. Yes the McCarthy era was bad but it passed. The current restrictions I do not see ending any time soon. Oh, do not say we have freedom of speach as this has been discussed before, when we cannot pray where we want, cannot express our opinion on lifestyles in a public forum, I see that as not having free speach.
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Freedom in the good old US of A. Now that is an oximoron of note. US citizens must be one of the most controlled societies in the world. You have a government that rules it's citizens by installing fear. "Oooooohhhhh, be carefull Joe Public, there are muslim extreemists around every corner that are trying to blow you to smithereens. Watch out for the communists they want to nuke our arses, etc I mean you have laws that allows your government to detain any person for as long as they wish, without due process. In California you have laws that prevent you from having a cigarette in your own house. There are many more examples. This does not sound like the land of the free, it sounds more like the land of the oppressed that think that they are free.
If only closed minds would come with closed mouths. Ego non sum semper iustus tamen Ego sum nunquam nefas!