Apple philanthropy
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peterchen wrote:
and no statement often means "not really".
Depends on what you want to believe. I never claimed Jobs to be a saint. I just got tired of the "haters" claiming that he didn't do anything simply because he didn't start a very public foundation.
Mike Mullikin wrote:
I just got tired of the "haters" claiming that he didn't do anything simply because he didn't start a very public foundation.
As noted I am still not clear exactly what Jobs did. What I got from the article is what Apple did. So could you point out the part where Jobs did something that cost a lot of money which was not financed by Apple?
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Mike Mullikin wrote:
I just got tired of the "haters" claiming that he didn't do anything simply because he didn't start a very public foundation.
As noted I am still not clear exactly what Jobs did. What I got from the article is what Apple did. So could you point out the part where Jobs did something that cost a lot of money which was not financed by Apple?
Ummm... he used Apple for philanthropy so the company got the "credit" rather than getting it personally. To use Gates and Buffet as examples - they developed HUGE bank accounts from their respective companies and have since set-up a charitable foundation in Gates' name. Excellent! Awesome! But in the end Microsoft and Berkshire Hathaway generated the money. Claiming that Jobs personally did nothing while CEO and COTB of Apple simply because he didn't first take the money himself and then give it away is silly.
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Ummm... he used Apple for philanthropy so the company got the "credit" rather than getting it personally. To use Gates and Buffet as examples - they developed HUGE bank accounts from their respective companies and have since set-up a charitable foundation in Gates' name. Excellent! Awesome! But in the end Microsoft and Berkshire Hathaway generated the money. Claiming that Jobs personally did nothing while CEO and COTB of Apple simply because he didn't first take the money himself and then give it away is silly.
Mike Mullikin wrote:
Ummm... he used Apple for philanthropy so the company got the "credit" rather than getting it personally.
So in other words nothing.
Mike Mullikin wrote:
To use Gates and Buffet as examples - they developed HUGE bank accounts from their respective companies and have since set-up a charitable foundation in Gates' name. Excellent! Awesome! But in the end Microsoft and Berkshire Hathaway generated the money.
Specious. If I make a charitable donation from my checking account it originates from me. Not the company I work for. Gates/Buffet are using their money not that of the company. Jobs had his own money which he could have made some sort of personal effort.
Mike Mullikin wrote:
Claiming that Jobs personally did nothing while CEO and COTB of Apple simply because he didn't first take the money himself and then give it away is silly.
Actually claiming that because a company makes charitable contributions that the sum total of those contributions should be attributed to the CEO is the silly part. And to be clear I wasn't attempting to bash Jobs but merely trying to elicit actual information about his personal charitable contributions which would in fact support the personal statement that he made in the article that you referred to. I can only suppose that there is no such charitable contributions because, presumably, the article would have referred to them. And you haven't attempted to provide and specific information in that regards either. And in terms of philanthropy Jobs might be better than Ellison but he most definitely is not comparable to Gates/Buffet.
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Mike Mullikin wrote:
Ummm... he used Apple for philanthropy so the company got the "credit" rather than getting it personally.
So in other words nothing.
Mike Mullikin wrote:
To use Gates and Buffet as examples - they developed HUGE bank accounts from their respective companies and have since set-up a charitable foundation in Gates' name. Excellent! Awesome! But in the end Microsoft and Berkshire Hathaway generated the money.
Specious. If I make a charitable donation from my checking account it originates from me. Not the company I work for. Gates/Buffet are using their money not that of the company. Jobs had his own money which he could have made some sort of personal effort.
Mike Mullikin wrote:
Claiming that Jobs personally did nothing while CEO and COTB of Apple simply because he didn't first take the money himself and then give it away is silly.
Actually claiming that because a company makes charitable contributions that the sum total of those contributions should be attributed to the CEO is the silly part. And to be clear I wasn't attempting to bash Jobs but merely trying to elicit actual information about his personal charitable contributions which would in fact support the personal statement that he made in the article that you referred to. I can only suppose that there is no such charitable contributions because, presumably, the article would have referred to them. And you haven't attempted to provide and specific information in that regards either. And in terms of philanthropy Jobs might be better than Ellison but he most definitely is not comparable to Gates/Buffet.
jschell wrote:
If I make a charitable donation from my checking account it originates from me. Not the company I work for.
Agreed - Unless you're the founder / CEO of a quasi-ethical monopoly that made you 10's of billions. Then I'd say it originates from the company. Sorry - just the way I think.
jschell wrote:
And to be clear I wasn't attempting to bash Jobs but merely trying to elicit actual information about his personal charitable contributions which would in fact support the personal statement that he made in the article that you referred to.
I can only suppose that there is no such charitable contributions because, presumably, the article would have referred to them.Really? I doubt the authors had access to Jobs' tax returns. Just because philanthropy isn't made public doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I personally donate hundreds over the coarse of a year, yet I don't promote it nor is it reported in magazine articles.
jschell wrote:
he most definitely is not comparable to Gates/Buffet.
Never said he was.
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jschell wrote:
If I make a charitable donation from my checking account it originates from me. Not the company I work for.
Agreed - Unless you're the founder / CEO of a quasi-ethical monopoly that made you 10's of billions. Then I'd say it originates from the company. Sorry - just the way I think.
jschell wrote:
And to be clear I wasn't attempting to bash Jobs but merely trying to elicit actual information about his personal charitable contributions which would in fact support the personal statement that he made in the article that you referred to.
I can only suppose that there is no such charitable contributions because, presumably, the article would have referred to them.Really? I doubt the authors had access to Jobs' tax returns. Just because philanthropy isn't made public doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I personally donate hundreds over the coarse of a year, yet I don't promote it nor is it reported in magazine articles.
jschell wrote:
he most definitely is not comparable to Gates/Buffet.
Never said he was.
Mike Mullikin wrote:
Agreed - Unless you're the founder / CEO of a quasi-ethical monopoly that made you 10's of billions. Then I'd say it originates from the company. Sorry - just the way I think.
Certainly isn't the way Gate/Buffet thinks. Nor do most of the really rich, with the possible exception of those trying to rationalize their personal lack of giving. Oddly enough the IRS doesn't think that way either.
Mike Mullikin wrote:
Just because philanthropy isn't made public doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
True. But that of course has absolutely nothing to do with proving that he did in fact make such contributions. And it has nothing to do with the linked story.