As an adjunct to earlier posts - the formation of Israel
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The foundation of Israel is due, in large part, to a bacillus - Clostridium aecetobutylicum Weizman (known as B-Y) – small beginnings indeed. This bacillus, when used to ferment a corn mash in water, produces one part ethyl alcohol, three parts acetone, and six parts butanol (butyl alcohol), each of which can be seperated out by distillation. Acetone was a key component in the production of cordite as the propellant for artillery shells. Chaim Weizmann was a Russian born biochemist who got his doctorate at the University of Fribourg in Switzerland. He later became the first president of Israel, after Einstein declined the post. He became modestly wealthy after selling a biochemical patent to Bayer. He had also done huge research into the production of butanol to be used in the production of synthetic rubber, and it is this research that led to the discovery, and subsequent patenting, of the above process. All Europe’s acetone factories at the outbreak of the First World War were in Germany, so when Weizmann moved to take up a post in Manchester he was approached by Churchill, then the First Lord of the Admiralty, with the intention of industrializing the process, as Britain had no way at that time to manufacture cordite. After Churchill was replaced, Lloyd George carried out the plan, and offered Weizmann whatever he wanted to produce 30,000 tons of acetone a year, and told him to name his own price. (Note for Nagy – the development was done in the Nicholson GIN factory in Bow!) Following discussion with his friend Baron Edmond de Rothschild, Weizmann asked for a homeland for the Jews in the area of the British Mandate of Palestine. This led to the Balfour Declaration in 1917, notable for the fact that it provide no timeline, and thus nothing was actually done. It should be noted that Baron Rothschild was already supporting substantial Jewish communities in the area known as Palestine. Move onto 1935. On April 9th of that year, another Jewish scientist, Leo Szilard, patented the concept and method of creating a chain reaction in radioactive materials to cause a huge release of energy. Now roll onto the formation of the Manhattan project. A considerable majority of the scientists recruited were Jewish, including all the British Jewish scientists who were shipped over to the US, together with their research to date. Think, for instance, of Feinmann, best known as Richard Feynman, or perhaps the name Oppenheimer may ring a few bells. The primary exception in the upper echelons of scientists was Enrico Fer
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The foundation of Israel is due, in large part, to a bacillus - Clostridium aecetobutylicum Weizman (known as B-Y) – small beginnings indeed. This bacillus, when used to ferment a corn mash in water, produces one part ethyl alcohol, three parts acetone, and six parts butanol (butyl alcohol), each of which can be seperated out by distillation. Acetone was a key component in the production of cordite as the propellant for artillery shells. Chaim Weizmann was a Russian born biochemist who got his doctorate at the University of Fribourg in Switzerland. He later became the first president of Israel, after Einstein declined the post. He became modestly wealthy after selling a biochemical patent to Bayer. He had also done huge research into the production of butanol to be used in the production of synthetic rubber, and it is this research that led to the discovery, and subsequent patenting, of the above process. All Europe’s acetone factories at the outbreak of the First World War were in Germany, so when Weizmann moved to take up a post in Manchester he was approached by Churchill, then the First Lord of the Admiralty, with the intention of industrializing the process, as Britain had no way at that time to manufacture cordite. After Churchill was replaced, Lloyd George carried out the plan, and offered Weizmann whatever he wanted to produce 30,000 tons of acetone a year, and told him to name his own price. (Note for Nagy – the development was done in the Nicholson GIN factory in Bow!) Following discussion with his friend Baron Edmond de Rothschild, Weizmann asked for a homeland for the Jews in the area of the British Mandate of Palestine. This led to the Balfour Declaration in 1917, notable for the fact that it provide no timeline, and thus nothing was actually done. It should be noted that Baron Rothschild was already supporting substantial Jewish communities in the area known as Palestine. Move onto 1935. On April 9th of that year, another Jewish scientist, Leo Szilard, patented the concept and method of creating a chain reaction in radioactive materials to cause a huge release of energy. Now roll onto the formation of the Manhattan project. A considerable majority of the scientists recruited were Jewish, including all the British Jewish scientists who were shipped over to the US, together with their research to date. Think, for instance, of Feinmann, best known as Richard Feynman, or perhaps the name Oppenheimer may ring a few bells. The primary exception in the upper echelons of scientists was Enrico Fer
Very nicely put together: thanks.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
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Very nicely put together: thanks.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
You're welcome. I originally started to research the matter from the A-bomb side, because I got bored by people saying "Why shouldn't Iran build a bomb - the Israelis have them?". I find this appallingly ignorant, for the following reasons: Firstly, as I have shown above, the first atom and nuclear bombs (I like to make the distinction between fission and fusion) were for the very main part, a product of Jewish scientists - of course they can damn well build them if they want to - they built them in the first place, and when all their neighbours seem determined to drive them into the sea it would appear to be a sensible option. Secondly, today such weapons are pretty much unusable, as the world-wide repercussions would cripple the using nation for generations, and the delivery system would point the finger directly at where they came from - except for Iran. Iran has several, almost deniable, delivery systems - Hamas, Hezbollah, and the lunatic fringe of Al Qaeda. "Oh, we are terribly sorry about New York. It seems somebody stole one of our nukes." Incidently, last night I watched, on television, Imadinnerjacket making his speech to the faithful. For a bit, I thought I was watching the Führer at a Nuremberg Rally. I was wrong - it was in Tehran. Whoops - did I just invoke Godwin's law? :laugh:
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The foundation of Israel is due, in large part, to a bacillus - Clostridium aecetobutylicum Weizman (known as B-Y) – small beginnings indeed. This bacillus, when used to ferment a corn mash in water, produces one part ethyl alcohol, three parts acetone, and six parts butanol (butyl alcohol), each of which can be seperated out by distillation. Acetone was a key component in the production of cordite as the propellant for artillery shells. Chaim Weizmann was a Russian born biochemist who got his doctorate at the University of Fribourg in Switzerland. He later became the first president of Israel, after Einstein declined the post. He became modestly wealthy after selling a biochemical patent to Bayer. He had also done huge research into the production of butanol to be used in the production of synthetic rubber, and it is this research that led to the discovery, and subsequent patenting, of the above process. All Europe’s acetone factories at the outbreak of the First World War were in Germany, so when Weizmann moved to take up a post in Manchester he was approached by Churchill, then the First Lord of the Admiralty, with the intention of industrializing the process, as Britain had no way at that time to manufacture cordite. After Churchill was replaced, Lloyd George carried out the plan, and offered Weizmann whatever he wanted to produce 30,000 tons of acetone a year, and told him to name his own price. (Note for Nagy – the development was done in the Nicholson GIN factory in Bow!) Following discussion with his friend Baron Edmond de Rothschild, Weizmann asked for a homeland for the Jews in the area of the British Mandate of Palestine. This led to the Balfour Declaration in 1917, notable for the fact that it provide no timeline, and thus nothing was actually done. It should be noted that Baron Rothschild was already supporting substantial Jewish communities in the area known as Palestine. Move onto 1935. On April 9th of that year, another Jewish scientist, Leo Szilard, patented the concept and method of creating a chain reaction in radioactive materials to cause a huge release of energy. Now roll onto the formation of the Manhattan project. A considerable majority of the scientists recruited were Jewish, including all the British Jewish scientists who were shipped over to the US, together with their research to date. Think, for instance, of Feinmann, best known as Richard Feynman, or perhaps the name Oppenheimer may ring a few bells. The primary exception in the upper echelons of scientists was Enrico Fer
Chris C-B wrote:
Jordan, Syria and Lebanon were formed [as an act of empire]
But for their indigenous populations. Had YHWH promised Jordan, Syria, or Lebanon to the Hebrews, no doubt they would have been settled by European and American Zionists, and somebody would be complaining about it. Nice compilation, though.
Use carrots and sticks to force the little fish into the big tent - Anon
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You're welcome. I originally started to research the matter from the A-bomb side, because I got bored by people saying "Why shouldn't Iran build a bomb - the Israelis have them?". I find this appallingly ignorant, for the following reasons: Firstly, as I have shown above, the first atom and nuclear bombs (I like to make the distinction between fission and fusion) were for the very main part, a product of Jewish scientists - of course they can damn well build them if they want to - they built them in the first place, and when all their neighbours seem determined to drive them into the sea it would appear to be a sensible option. Secondly, today such weapons are pretty much unusable, as the world-wide repercussions would cripple the using nation for generations, and the delivery system would point the finger directly at where they came from - except for Iran. Iran has several, almost deniable, delivery systems - Hamas, Hezbollah, and the lunatic fringe of Al Qaeda. "Oh, we are terribly sorry about New York. It seems somebody stole one of our nukes." Incidently, last night I watched, on television, Imadinnerjacket making his speech to the faithful. For a bit, I thought I was watching the Führer at a Nuremberg Rally. I was wrong - it was in Tehran. Whoops - did I just invoke Godwin's law? :laugh:
Chris C-B wrote:
when all their neighbours seem determined to drive them into the sea it would appear to be a sensible option.
In which case it is sensible for Iran to build a bomb, as (from their point of view) the US appears intent on destroying them.
Chris C-B wrote:
the delivery system would point the finger directly at where they came from - except for Iran
Oh, those cunning Iranians!
Chris C-B wrote:
Iran has several, almost deniable, delivery systems - Hamas, Hezbollah, and the lunatic fringe of al qaeda.
The bulk of al-Qaeda are moderates? Only the fringe are lunatic, while all of Hamas and Hezbollah are lunatic? That's a bit weird.
Chris C-B wrote:
"Oh, we are terribly sorry about New York. It seems somebody stole one of our nukes."
Well, the US has an almost deniable delivery system - the lunatic fringe of al-Qaeda. Surely they would be pleased to nuke a Shia country that is opposed to the Sunni Saudis? "Oh, we are terribly sorry about Tehran. It seems somebody stole one of Pakistan's (or country of choice) nukes."
Use carrots and sticks to force the little fish into the big tent - Anon
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The foundation of Israel is due, in large part, to a bacillus - Clostridium aecetobutylicum Weizman (known as B-Y) – small beginnings indeed. This bacillus, when used to ferment a corn mash in water, produces one part ethyl alcohol, three parts acetone, and six parts butanol (butyl alcohol), each of which can be seperated out by distillation. Acetone was a key component in the production of cordite as the propellant for artillery shells. Chaim Weizmann was a Russian born biochemist who got his doctorate at the University of Fribourg in Switzerland. He later became the first president of Israel, after Einstein declined the post. He became modestly wealthy after selling a biochemical patent to Bayer. He had also done huge research into the production of butanol to be used in the production of synthetic rubber, and it is this research that led to the discovery, and subsequent patenting, of the above process. All Europe’s acetone factories at the outbreak of the First World War were in Germany, so when Weizmann moved to take up a post in Manchester he was approached by Churchill, then the First Lord of the Admiralty, with the intention of industrializing the process, as Britain had no way at that time to manufacture cordite. After Churchill was replaced, Lloyd George carried out the plan, and offered Weizmann whatever he wanted to produce 30,000 tons of acetone a year, and told him to name his own price. (Note for Nagy – the development was done in the Nicholson GIN factory in Bow!) Following discussion with his friend Baron Edmond de Rothschild, Weizmann asked for a homeland for the Jews in the area of the British Mandate of Palestine. This led to the Balfour Declaration in 1917, notable for the fact that it provide no timeline, and thus nothing was actually done. It should be noted that Baron Rothschild was already supporting substantial Jewish communities in the area known as Palestine. Move onto 1935. On April 9th of that year, another Jewish scientist, Leo Szilard, patented the concept and method of creating a chain reaction in radioactive materials to cause a huge release of energy. Now roll onto the formation of the Manhattan project. A considerable majority of the scientists recruited were Jewish, including all the British Jewish scientists who were shipped over to the US, together with their research to date. Think, for instance, of Feinmann, best known as Richard Feynman, or perhaps the name Oppenheimer may ring a few bells. The primary exception in the upper echelons of scientists was Enrico Fer
Good read, but you play down the role Rothchild had to do with the formation of Israel. I had read about the war time production of explosives etc and how that came into play, didnt know it was acetone... My country for some Acetone!
While the formation of Israel may cause cries of moral outrage as an act of
empire, it must also be born in mind that Jordan, Syria and Lebanon were formed
in a like manner, and nobody seems to be complaining about thatabsolutely agree! although creating a country for a particular religion is stupid and destined for failure i fear. We have to stop ourselves from being divided by power hungry overlords so easily. When the holy lands are shared it'll be a great day!
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Chris C-B wrote:
when all their neighbours seem determined to drive them into the sea it would appear to be a sensible option.
In which case it is sensible for Iran to build a bomb, as (from their point of view) the US appears intent on destroying them.
Chris C-B wrote:
the delivery system would point the finger directly at where they came from - except for Iran
Oh, those cunning Iranians!
Chris C-B wrote:
Iran has several, almost deniable, delivery systems - Hamas, Hezbollah, and the lunatic fringe of al qaeda.
The bulk of al-Qaeda are moderates? Only the fringe are lunatic, while all of Hamas and Hezbollah are lunatic? That's a bit weird.
Chris C-B wrote:
"Oh, we are terribly sorry about New York. It seems somebody stole one of our nukes."
Well, the US has an almost deniable delivery system - the lunatic fringe of al-Qaeda. Surely they would be pleased to nuke a Shia country that is opposed to the Sunni Saudis? "Oh, we are terribly sorry about Tehran. It seems somebody stole one of Pakistan's (or country of choice) nukes."
Use carrots and sticks to force the little fish into the big tent - Anon
ict558 wrote:
In which case it is sensible for Iran to build a bomb, as (from their point of view) the US appears intent on destroying them.
The Iranians may say so, for internal consumption, but the reality is that the US (and most of the international community) only want(s) to either open up the Iranian nuclear program to proper inspection, or cease it all together. Bearing in mind that the Iranians lied consistently to the IAEA for 17 years, this is not unwarranted.
ict558 wrote:
The bulk of al-Qaeda are moderates? Only the fringe are lunatic, while all of Hamas and Hezbollah are lunatic? That's a bit weird.
A matter of funding. Both Hezbollah and Hamas receive significant funding from Iran. Although hard figures are difficult to come by, the consensus appears to be up to $30M for Hamas and $200M for Hezbollah, which makes them somewhat beholden to do Iran's bidding. Al Qaeda has no such funding, and the mainstream would probably be rather more rational.
ict558 wrote:
"Oh, we are terribly sorry about Tehran. It seems somebody stole one of Pakistan's (or country of choice) nukes."
Possibly, but since a nuclear device leaves a radio active signature, it is possible to establish whose it was. This means it really would have to be stolen, and I suspect this might be rather hard - at least until Apple starts selling the pocketable iBomb, that is! :laugh:
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The foundation of Israel is due, in large part, to a bacillus - Clostridium aecetobutylicum Weizman (known as B-Y) – small beginnings indeed. This bacillus, when used to ferment a corn mash in water, produces one part ethyl alcohol, three parts acetone, and six parts butanol (butyl alcohol), each of which can be seperated out by distillation. Acetone was a key component in the production of cordite as the propellant for artillery shells. Chaim Weizmann was a Russian born biochemist who got his doctorate at the University of Fribourg in Switzerland. He later became the first president of Israel, after Einstein declined the post. He became modestly wealthy after selling a biochemical patent to Bayer. He had also done huge research into the production of butanol to be used in the production of synthetic rubber, and it is this research that led to the discovery, and subsequent patenting, of the above process. All Europe’s acetone factories at the outbreak of the First World War were in Germany, so when Weizmann moved to take up a post in Manchester he was approached by Churchill, then the First Lord of the Admiralty, with the intention of industrializing the process, as Britain had no way at that time to manufacture cordite. After Churchill was replaced, Lloyd George carried out the plan, and offered Weizmann whatever he wanted to produce 30,000 tons of acetone a year, and told him to name his own price. (Note for Nagy – the development was done in the Nicholson GIN factory in Bow!) Following discussion with his friend Baron Edmond de Rothschild, Weizmann asked for a homeland for the Jews in the area of the British Mandate of Palestine. This led to the Balfour Declaration in 1917, notable for the fact that it provide no timeline, and thus nothing was actually done. It should be noted that Baron Rothschild was already supporting substantial Jewish communities in the area known as Palestine. Move onto 1935. On April 9th of that year, another Jewish scientist, Leo Szilard, patented the concept and method of creating a chain reaction in radioactive materials to cause a huge release of energy. Now roll onto the formation of the Manhattan project. A considerable majority of the scientists recruited were Jewish, including all the British Jewish scientists who were shipped over to the US, together with their research to date. Think, for instance, of Feinmann, best known as Richard Feynman, or perhaps the name Oppenheimer may ring a few bells. The primary exception in the upper echelons of scientists was Enrico Fer
Chris C-B wrote:
it must also be born in mind that Jordan, Syria and Lebanon were formed in a like manner, and nobody seems to be complaining about that.
Nobody is complaining because these countries were made of indigenous people belonging to various religions who have been living there for time unknown and not made of people belonging to a specigic race imported enmasse from other countries.
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ict558 wrote:
In which case it is sensible for Iran to build a bomb, as (from their point of view) the US appears intent on destroying them.
The Iranians may say so, for internal consumption, but the reality is that the US (and most of the international community) only want(s) to either open up the Iranian nuclear program to proper inspection, or cease it all together. Bearing in mind that the Iranians lied consistently to the IAEA for 17 years, this is not unwarranted.
ict558 wrote:
The bulk of al-Qaeda are moderates? Only the fringe are lunatic, while all of Hamas and Hezbollah are lunatic? That's a bit weird.
A matter of funding. Both Hezbollah and Hamas receive significant funding from Iran. Although hard figures are difficult to come by, the consensus appears to be up to $30M for Hamas and $200M for Hezbollah, which makes them somewhat beholden to do Iran's bidding. Al Qaeda has no such funding, and the mainstream would probably be rather more rational.
ict558 wrote:
"Oh, we are terribly sorry about Tehran. It seems somebody stole one of Pakistan's (or country of choice) nukes."
Possibly, but since a nuclear device leaves a radio active signature, it is possible to establish whose it was. This means it really would have to be stolen, and I suspect this might be rather hard - at least until Apple starts selling the pocketable iBomb, that is! :laugh:
Chris C-B wrote:
The Iranians may say so, for internal consumption
Sorry. My opinion is derived from what the USA Government does, not what the Iran Government says.
Chris C-B wrote:
US (and most of the international community) only want(s) to either open up the Iranian nuclear program to proper inspection, or cease it all together
Perhaps they should declare themselves a Nuclear Weapons State, and sign a new Safeguards Agreement. Then they would get to pick and choose which facilities the IAEA Inspectors can visit - on the grounds of 'national security', as the current NW States do.
Chris C-B wrote:
Bearing in mind that the Iranians lied consistently to the IAEA for 17 years, this is not unwarranted.
Well, the permanent members of the Security Council are NWS and so don't have to lie to the IAEA (see above). So they can afford to be 'holier than thou'. (Oh Lord, give me transparency and disarmament, but not yet. :) )
Chris C-B wrote:
a nuclear device leaves a radio active signature, it is possible to establish whose it was.
Who cares? As long as it is used by a plausible terrorist group, and is not traced back to the USA.
Use carrots and sticks to force the little fish into the big tent - Anon
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Chris C-B wrote:
it must also be born in mind that Jordan, Syria and Lebanon were formed in a like manner, and nobody seems to be complaining about that.
Nobody is complaining because these countries were made of indigenous people belonging to various religions who have been living there for time unknown and not made of people belonging to a specigic race imported enmasse from other countries.
Shameel wrote:
...and not made of people belonging to a specigic race imported enmasse from other countries.
Joo's are a religion and not a race, FFS.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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Shameel wrote:
...and not made of people belonging to a specigic race imported enmasse from other countries.
Joo's are a religion and not a race, FFS.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
We've had this argument before. You're still wrong.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me