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  • K Kevin Marois

    I didn't mean it to be. I just saw the article and decided to share it.

    Everything makes sense in someone's mind

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    PIEBALDconsult
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    Kevin Marois wrote:

    decided to share it

    Don't. (Regardless of what it is.)

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      1. I don't get the sudden "outrage" all over the media, a (small) group of people has been advocating this since forever. Nothing new here. Save the outrage for when it gets turned into a law, if ever. 2) Isn't this politics and flamebait?
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      ZurdoDev
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      However, if people wait to get outraged once it has become law, it is too late then. No problem in sharing opinions now, so that it hopefully never becomes law.

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        Kevin Marois wrote:

        decided to share it

        Don't. (Regardless of what it is.)

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        Kevin Marois
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        Blow it out your ear. It's not for you to decide what I do or don't post.

        Everything makes sense in someone's mind

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          Fine by me, but I expect this thread to be moved to the SB

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          Kevin Marois
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          I don't get the uproar over this. People post news items all the time in the lounge. At the top of the loung it states "For lazing about and discussing anything in a software developer's life that takes your fancy." This "took my fancy" - so I posted it. What's the big deal???

          Everything makes sense in someone's mind

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            Fine by me, but I expect this thread to be moved to the SB

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            Kevin Marois
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            I didn't even know there was a 'soapbox' until this thread got moved. Just curious, who moved it?

            Everything makes sense in someone's mind

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            • K Kevin Marois

              I don't get the uproar over this. People post news items all the time in the lounge. At the top of the loung it states "For lazing about and discussing anything in a software developer's life that takes your fancy." This "took my fancy" - so I posted it. What's the big deal???

              Everything makes sense in someone's mind

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              Lost User
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              The big deal (honestly I don't care as such, I was just expressing an expectation) is that it's inviting a flame fest, regardless of what your intentions were (but let's be honest, your post doesn't look like you were about to nitpick their grammar). That isn't even officially what the SB is for, and certainly not what the the Lounge is for.

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                The big deal (honestly I don't care as such, I was just expressing an expectation) is that it's inviting a flame fest, regardless of what your intentions were (but let's be honest, your post doesn't look like you were about to nitpick their grammar). That isn't even officially what the SB is for, and certainly not what the the Lounge is for.

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                Kevin Marois
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                "flame-fest"? I'm not even sure what that means. When I posted, I guess I thought that no one in their right mind would support this. I honestly expected people to post things like "I agree", not "Don't post that here".

                Everything makes sense in someone's mind

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                  "flame-fest"? I'm not even sure what that means. When I posted, I guess I thought that no one in their right mind would support this. I honestly expected people to post things like "I agree", not "Don't post that here".

                  Everything makes sense in someone's mind

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                  Lost User
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                  I've seen enough threads moved that I got the pattern, this thread never really stood a chance in the Lounge. As for universal agreement on this matter, I wouldn't be too sure. Some people will disagree just to stir things up, and then it would take maybe a whole minute before the thread descends into a flamefest, because this sort of thing tends to evoke emotions.

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                  • K Kevin Marois

                    "flame-fest"? I'm not even sure what that means. When I posted, I guess I thought that no one in their right mind would support this. I honestly expected people to post things like "I agree", not "Don't post that here".

                    Everything makes sense in someone's mind

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                    R Giskard Reventlov
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                    Kevin Marois wrote:

                    When I posted, I guess I thought that no one in their right mind would support this

                    Why would you imagine that just because you don't think this is right, everyone else must also think so? That is both narrow and ignorant. Who made you judge and jury? :thumbsdown:

                    "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me

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                    • K Kevin Marois

                      Blow it out your ear. It's not for you to decide what I do or don't post.

                      Everything makes sense in someone's mind

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                      R Giskard Reventlov
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                      Kevin Marois wrote:

                      Blow it out your ear.

                      No need for that.

                      Kevin Marois wrote:

                      It's not for you to decide what I do or don't post.

                      Correct; however, it can be decided that you have posted in the wrong place: don't take it so personally - it really isn't a big deal to get your post moved to a more appropriate forum - it actually helps as you're more likely to get a lot of responses - both good and bad!

                      "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me

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                      • K Kevin Marois

                        Blow it out your ear. It's not for you to decide what I do or don't post.

                        Everything makes sense in someone's mind

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                        wizardzz
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                        So, in other words, you're saying that you have the right to choose?

                        "I have a theory that the truth is never told during the nine-to-five hours. " — Hunter S. Thompson

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                          Kevin Marois wrote:

                          When I posted, I guess I thought that no one in their right mind would support this

                          Why would you imagine that just because you don't think this is right, everyone else must also think so? That is both narrow and ignorant. Who made you judge and jury? :thumbsdown:

                          "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me

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                          Kevin Marois
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                          Get off youre pedestal. There's a thing called "Common Sense". Did you read the responses by readers in the article? My opinion is the same as theirs. That's not judgemental, narrow or ignorant. It's common sense, where the operative word is "common". Most people don't support the idea of killing babies. That doesn't make me judgemental. It makes me normal.

                          Everything makes sense in someone's mind

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                            So, in other words, you're saying that you have the right to choose?

                            "I have a theory that the truth is never told during the nine-to-five hours. " — Hunter S. Thompson

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                            Kevin Marois
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                            Yes. I have the right to choose to post or not.

                            Everything makes sense in someone's mind

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                              Kevin Marois wrote:

                              Blow it out your ear.

                              No need for that.

                              Kevin Marois wrote:

                              It's not for you to decide what I do or don't post.

                              Correct; however, it can be decided that you have posted in the wrong place: don't take it so personally - it really isn't a big deal to get your post moved to a more appropriate forum - it actually helps as you're more likely to get a lot of responses - both good and bad!

                              "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me

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                              Kevin Marois
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                              Agreed. I simple tool offense to him saying "Don't. (Regardless of what it is.)". It's not his place to tell mee not to post.

                              Everything makes sense in someone's mind

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                              • K Kevin Marois

                                "flame-fest"? I'm not even sure what that means. When I posted, I guess I thought that no one in their right mind would support this. I honestly expected people to post things like "I agree", not "Don't post that here".

                                Everything makes sense in someone's mind

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                                You shouldn't assume such things. For one, the people discussed in the posting clearly supported it, so obviously there is support out there. For two, the article is biased on just being pro-life which marks it political which is technically a no-no even in the SP. However, the SP is where you can walk the gray line with such matters. No matter though. As someone else said don't take it personal that it was moved. And don't try to flame back at people that flame you for posting, as that makes it worse and that is what is meant by "flame-fest". Its not so much that people won't agree with you. Its that the topic does not belong here. There are private forums (SP 1.0[^]) or one can use the Backroom[^] for such topics. As you said you were not aware and it seemed fine. Now you know. Take the rep beating and move on. Hopefully we hear from you again ;)

                                Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.

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                                • K Kevin Marois

                                  Get off youre pedestal. There's a thing called "Common Sense". Did you read the responses by readers in the article? My opinion is the same as theirs. That's not judgemental, narrow or ignorant. It's common sense, where the operative word is "common". Most people don't support the idea of killing babies. That doesn't make me judgemental. It makes me normal.

                                  Everything makes sense in someone's mind

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                                  R Giskard Reventlov
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                                  Kevin Marois wrote:

                                  Get off youre pedestal.

                                  Me? No, not on a pedestal.

                                  Kevin Marois wrote:

                                  Did you read the responses by readers in the article? My opinion is the same as theirs.

                                  I've read this article in several different outlets and yes, there are some strong opinions both sides: that doesn't make them right. You're confusing having an opinion with being right jsut because it's a shared opinion. One does not follow the other. [Invokes Godwin's Law]: millions of Nazis agreed with Hitler. Would you say they were right? (Sorry to use Godwin but it seemed apt)

                                  Kevin Marois wrote:

                                  It makes me normal.

                                  No it doesn't - it just means you have an opinion and simply by having an opinion you deem normal doesn't make it right.

                                  "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me

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                                    Agreed. I simple tool offense to him saying "Don't. (Regardless of what it is.)". It's not his place to tell mee not to post.

                                    Everything makes sense in someone's mind

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                                    R Giskard Reventlov
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                                    Kevin Marois wrote:

                                    It's not his place to tell mee not to post.

                                    I'm sure he wasn't trying to be rude: this place is mean to to be for some fun and so you can say things you probably wouldn't feel comfortable saying in the lounge - this is the forum for contentious issues.

                                    "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me

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                                    • K Kevin Marois

                                      Yes. I have the right to choose to post or not.

                                      Everything makes sense in someone's mind

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                                      Lost User
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                                      And the admins have the right to move, modify, and delete as they see fit :) AND ALL have the right to vote and flame.... Whats your point?

                                      Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.

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                                      • K Kevin Marois

                                        Get off youre pedestal. There's a thing called "Common Sense". Did you read the responses by readers in the article? My opinion is the same as theirs. That's not judgemental, narrow or ignorant. It's common sense, where the operative word is "common". Most people don't support the idea of killing babies. That doesn't make me judgemental. It makes me normal.

                                        Everything makes sense in someone's mind

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                                        loctrice
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                                        Many people don't support killing animals. Do you eat meat or wear fur? That would make you a monster.

                                        If it moves, compile it

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                                          Kevin Marois wrote:

                                          Get off youre pedestal.

                                          Me? No, not on a pedestal.

                                          Kevin Marois wrote:

                                          Did you read the responses by readers in the article? My opinion is the same as theirs.

                                          I've read this article in several different outlets and yes, there are some strong opinions both sides: that doesn't make them right. You're confusing having an opinion with being right jsut because it's a shared opinion. One does not follow the other. [Invokes Godwin's Law]: millions of Nazis agreed with Hitler. Would you say they were right? (Sorry to use Godwin but it seemed apt)

                                          Kevin Marois wrote:

                                          It makes me normal.

                                          No it doesn't - it just means you have an opinion and simply by having an opinion you deem normal doesn't make it right.

                                          "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me

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                                          loctrice
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                                          Pointing out that other people have opinions, and that the OP is being narrow does NOT mean that MM is "on a pedestal". You are just proving his point :P ... I think I replied to mm and not the OP, but you guys can figure it out :D

                                          If it moves, compile it

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