Did Jesus have a cunt too?
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Now that you have had your rant, please feel free to read what I actually said, not what you think I said. Did I say that he was a Nazarene? Did I say he was executed? Or did I say there was a preacher by this name? You might want to slow down there kiddo. Take a look at Flavius Josephus, who mentions Jesus in his antiquities of the jews, written in the first century.
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
Or did I say there was a preacher by this name? You might want to slow down there kiddo.
Well, OK, it's possible that there was a guy with a very common name who lived around 2000 years ago and who told people what to do, but who bears no deeper resemblance to the Christian Jesus.
Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
Take a look at Flavius Josephus, who mentions Jesus in his antiquities of the jews, written in the first century.
His statements on Jesus are considered fairly suspect, given that they are inconsistent and even contradictory with his other writings and with his personality as documented by other writers at the time. He was not a Christian, but the passages about Jesus are excessively laudatory for a Pharisaic Jew. Also, no early Christians writers cite those passages, which they almost certainly would have done if they had supported Christianity.
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Jesus may have been a hermaphrodite, claims academic[^] "she argues that it is not possible to know “with any certainty” that Jesus did not suffer from an intersex condition, with both male and female organs. " Yeah, he might have been black or even Welsh too....
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To be clear, are you talking about roosters or sunshine? I suppose you could just said Jesus and a c*** and a c***.
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There's a fair amount of historical documentation from around that period that suggests that a preacher called Jesus did exist.
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As well as a number of other mystics carrying out miracles and preaching. In fact there was one a lot more popular that out mate Mr J. Seems his cult got luck when a Roman tax collector had a brain annurism....
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
There's a fair amount of historical documentation from around that period that suggests that a preacher called Jesus did exist.
I'm sorry to have to tell you this, but no, there isn't. There is nothing that has been reliably shown to have existed during his lifetime or even near his lifetime that mentions him. The Romans were meticulous with documenting executions, and no such record of Jesus. They even recorded huge amounts of vacuous gossip, but they didn't even bother to mention Jesus, who had supposedly garnered a massive following by that point. Nazareth, where he supposedly was born, wasn't recorded until something like 200 AD - it's been speculated that this is because it was too small to be noteworthy, but the Biblical story in which Mary has to go to Nazareth 'to be counted' requires that it have a synagogue, and any town with a synagogue was automatically noteworthy enough to be mentioned, since a synagogue required certain expensive and rare holy texts in order to BE a synagogue.
Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
The Romans were meticulous with documenting
... prety much everything. Heck, we even have 4 accounts of Alexanders life! Not to mention Roman accounts of Sodomy and recipes. After such tawdryness you would think nailing the son of god to a tree would rate a foot note or two! :)
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A single, disputed reference.
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mark merrens wrote:
A single, disputed reference.
As a Jew of course you would know all about disputed reference to Jesus. After all, you lot are waiting for his first coming! ;P Sorry Mark old chap, couldnt resist the dig. :)
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To be clear, are you talking about roosters or sunshine? I suppose you could just said Jesus and a c*** and a c***.
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You mean like in the other post. People seem to be under the misapprehension here that I am referring to the bible. Again, perhaps people really need to read what I said, rather than what they think I have said. Honestly, the atheists and the religionists are both as bad as each other when it comes to seeking offence in comments.
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You said: "There's a fair amount of historical documentation from around that period that suggests that a preacher called Jesus did exist." You didn't mention the bible and neither did I - it's worthless fiction at best. Provide the evidence to which you refer - don't care where it comes from as long as it is provable and it isn't about offence - that is you deflecting from having said something you can't back up and are now trying to wriggle out of - good luck with that! :-)
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mark merrens wrote:
A single, disputed reference.
As a Jew of course you would know all about disputed reference to Jesus. After all, you lot are waiting for his first coming! ;P Sorry Mark old chap, couldnt resist the dig. :)
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Erudite_Eric wrote:
After all, you lot are waiting for his first coming!
The basis for a rather crude joke I think, to which I shall not rise - people here are too easily offended. :)
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You said: "There's a fair amount of historical documentation from around that period that suggests that a preacher called Jesus did exist." You didn't mention the bible and neither did I - it's worthless fiction at best. Provide the evidence to which you refer - don't care where it comes from as long as it is provable and it isn't about offence - that is you deflecting from having said something you can't back up and are now trying to wriggle out of - good luck with that! :-)
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Ok, perhaps three sources isn't enough for you, but I have given three independent sources from around that period. There was no attempt to "wriggle out" as you well know.
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Erudite_Eric wrote:
After all, you lot are waiting for his first coming!
The basis for a rather crude joke I think, to which I shall not rise - people here are too easily offended. :)
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Yeah, i mean C_U_N_T! And if that diddnt get past the filters, how about CuNt. Or C U N T. Of FADGE! Snatch! Beef Curtains! Flange and and and, damn,, ran out of English synonyms....
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Erudite_Eric wrote:
Flange and and and, damn,, ran out of English synonyms....
Rather quickly in my view, and missing a quite a few obvious ones. Are you sure you are English :)?
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Jesus may have been a hermaphrodite, claims academic[^] "she argues that it is not possible to know “with any certainty” that Jesus did not suffer from an intersex condition, with both male and female organs. " Yeah, he might have been black or even Welsh too....
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Dr Cornwall, of Manchester University’s Lincoln Theological Institute, describes herself on her blog as specialising in: “Research and writing in feminist theology, sexuality, gender, embodiment, ethics and other fun things like that.” And there we have it: feminist [anything academic] which is basically shorthand for "can use any amount of bizzaro-reasoning to get away with insane argument and won't be challenged in the same a man would be, as that would be sexist." I've never heard anything sensible come out of a feminist academic (i.e. one who specialises in feminist theory of X (or should we say V :)).
Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
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Actually, Josephus is widely accepted. The disputed parts are to do with what looks to be amendments to support the crucifixion. There is also supporting documentation from Pliny to Trajan and the imperial biographer Seutonius.
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You are pissing into the wind with this one I think. Anything other than an irrational degree of "it's all nonsense" or "it's all strictly true" is just going to be flamed. To be fair, both the irrational positions will flame eachother. This is ~50% of the reason I don't get involved with these discussions. It is amazing how quickly everyone becomes experts on marginalia, comparative textual analysis and theological minutiae, before drawing their conclusions from whatever source that happen to agree with them in the first place. See, I'm doing it now.
Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
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Erudite_Eric wrote:
Flange and and and, damn,, ran out of English synonyms....
Rather quickly in my view, and missing a quite a few obvious ones. Are you sure you are English :)?
Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
There's a fair amount of historical documentation from around that period that suggests that a preacher called Jesus did exist.
I'm sorry to have to tell you this, but no, there isn't. There is nothing that has been reliably shown to have existed during his lifetime or even near his lifetime that mentions him. The Romans were meticulous with documenting executions, and no such record of Jesus. They even recorded huge amounts of vacuous gossip, but they didn't even bother to mention Jesus, who had supposedly garnered a massive following by that point. Nazareth, where he supposedly was born, wasn't recorded until something like 200 AD - it's been speculated that this is because it was too small to be noteworthy, but the Biblical story in which Mary has to go to Nazareth 'to be counted' requires that it have a synagogue, and any town with a synagogue was automatically noteworthy enough to be mentioned, since a synagogue required certain expensive and rare holy texts in order to BE a synagogue.
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The Bible is documentation. Funny how you won't accept that as historical documentation because it has religious ties but you will accept other found documents.
Actually it's not funny at all. I kept it out of my source purely because it's such a polarising reference. My opinions on the accuracy of the bible are mine alone, and I will not post it here as I don't want to trigger a flame war on one side or the other.
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Actually it's not funny at all. I kept it out of my source purely because it's such a polarising reference. My opinions on the accuracy of the bible are mine alone, and I will not post it here as I don't want to trigger a flame war on one side or the other.
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Erudite_Eric wrote:
After all, you lot are waiting for his first coming!
The basis for a rather crude joke I think, to which I shall not rise - people here are too easily offended. :)
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mark merrens wrote:
shall not rise
Looks like you did after all.
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My reply was directed at Ravel H. Joyce who is accepting documents that historians claim to be from the Romans but won't accept the Bible as a historical document. You are right though, we pick and choose which documents are accurate.
Sorry - I'm losing track of what post is what in this thread.
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You are pissing into the wind with this one I think. Anything other than an irrational degree of "it's all nonsense" or "it's all strictly true" is just going to be flamed. To be fair, both the irrational positions will flame eachother. This is ~50% of the reason I don't get involved with these discussions. It is amazing how quickly everyone becomes experts on marginalia, comparative textual analysis and theological minutiae, before drawing their conclusions from whatever source that happen to agree with them in the first place. See, I'm doing it now.
Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
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A Dead ringer for Kate Winslett[^]I know. I was my own worst enemy here. I normally keep out of these things, but unwisely thought that this was one statement that all sides wouldn't get their knickers in a twist about. How naive of me. Lesson learned though.
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