Did Jesus have a cunt too?
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Actually, Josephus is widely accepted. The disputed parts are to do with what looks to be amendments to support the crucifixion. There is also supporting documentation from Pliny to Trajan and the imperial biographer Seutonius.
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You are pissing into the wind with this one I think. Anything other than an irrational degree of "it's all nonsense" or "it's all strictly true" is just going to be flamed. To be fair, both the irrational positions will flame eachother. This is ~50% of the reason I don't get involved with these discussions. It is amazing how quickly everyone becomes experts on marginalia, comparative textual analysis and theological minutiae, before drawing their conclusions from whatever source that happen to agree with them in the first place. See, I'm doing it now.
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Erudite_Eric wrote:
Flange and and and, damn,, ran out of English synonyms....
Rather quickly in my view, and missing a quite a few obvious ones. Are you sure you are English :)?
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
There's a fair amount of historical documentation from around that period that suggests that a preacher called Jesus did exist.
I'm sorry to have to tell you this, but no, there isn't. There is nothing that has been reliably shown to have existed during his lifetime or even near his lifetime that mentions him. The Romans were meticulous with documenting executions, and no such record of Jesus. They even recorded huge amounts of vacuous gossip, but they didn't even bother to mention Jesus, who had supposedly garnered a massive following by that point. Nazareth, where he supposedly was born, wasn't recorded until something like 200 AD - it's been speculated that this is because it was too small to be noteworthy, but the Biblical story in which Mary has to go to Nazareth 'to be counted' requires that it have a synagogue, and any town with a synagogue was automatically noteworthy enough to be mentioned, since a synagogue required certain expensive and rare holy texts in order to BE a synagogue.
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The Bible is documentation. Funny how you won't accept that as historical documentation because it has religious ties but you will accept other found documents.
Actually it's not funny at all. I kept it out of my source purely because it's such a polarising reference. My opinions on the accuracy of the bible are mine alone, and I will not post it here as I don't want to trigger a flame war on one side or the other.
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Actually it's not funny at all. I kept it out of my source purely because it's such a polarising reference. My opinions on the accuracy of the bible are mine alone, and I will not post it here as I don't want to trigger a flame war on one side or the other.
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Erudite_Eric wrote:
After all, you lot are waiting for his first coming!
The basis for a rather crude joke I think, to which I shall not rise - people here are too easily offended. :)
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mark merrens wrote:
shall not rise
Looks like you did after all.
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My reply was directed at Ravel H. Joyce who is accepting documents that historians claim to be from the Romans but won't accept the Bible as a historical document. You are right though, we pick and choose which documents are accurate.
Sorry - I'm losing track of what post is what in this thread.
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You are pissing into the wind with this one I think. Anything other than an irrational degree of "it's all nonsense" or "it's all strictly true" is just going to be flamed. To be fair, both the irrational positions will flame eachother. This is ~50% of the reason I don't get involved with these discussions. It is amazing how quickly everyone becomes experts on marginalia, comparative textual analysis and theological minutiae, before drawing their conclusions from whatever source that happen to agree with them in the first place. See, I'm doing it now.
Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
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A Dead ringer for Kate Winslett[^]I know. I was my own worst enemy here. I normally keep out of these things, but unwisely thought that this was one statement that all sides wouldn't get their knickers in a twist about. How naive of me. Lesson learned though.
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I know. I was my own worst enemy here. I normally keep out of these things, but unwisely thought that this was one statement that all sides wouldn't get their knickers in a twist about. How naive of me. Lesson learned though.
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
I know. I was my own worst enemy here. I normally keep out of these things, but unwisely thought
Nothing changes, Pete. This is why we don't discuss religion, politics, or personal income in social circles. I, however, have violated this simple rule on numerous occasions here, and will most likely do so again in the near future. :)
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
I know. I was my own worst enemy here. I normally keep out of these things, but unwisely thought
Nothing changes, Pete. This is why we don't discuss religion, politics, or personal income in social circles. I, however, have violated this simple rule on numerous occasions here, and will most likely do so again in the near future. :)
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mark merrens wrote:
shall not rise
Looks like you did after all.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von BraunThere are some really feeble, weak minded people around here none of whom have the courage of their convictions and whose faith is so fragile that it can't withstand a little lambasting. I actualy feel pity for them: imagine being so weak minded. Go ahead, down vote me; like that actually costs me time or money or impacts my life. It's actually worth getting the downvotes - it shows me that I got to you especially when you don't have the nads to say why. Hilarious.
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That was the stupidest thing I've ever read. It's wrong to call her an academic - she's a theologian, which is basically the opposite. A real academic would have come to the conclusion that Jesus probably didn't exist.
Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
A real academic would have come to the conclusion that Jesus probably didn't exist.
I doubt a "real" academic would ever come to that "conclusion." They might come to the conclusion that there is no evidence that Jesus existed but that is quite a bit different than what you said.
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My reply was directed at Ravel H. Joyce who is accepting documents that historians claim to be from the Romans but won't accept the Bible as a historical document. You are right though, we pick and choose which documents are accurate.
ryanb31 wrote:
My reply was directed at Ravel H. Joyce who is accepting documents that historians claim to be from the Romans but won't accept the Bible as a historical document.
Myself I believe anyone that wants or needs 'proof' of the basis of christianity is certainly lacking in the tenent that one must accept God of thier own free will. It is trivially simple to explain a lack of historical evidence - because God made it so. Same thing applies to every aspect of the bible.
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Quite, I could have gone on for a good couple of pages.
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Been out of the UK so long I gess I am forgetting a few and not learning new ones, so perhaps you could enlighten us. :)
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There are some really feeble, weak minded people around here none of whom have the courage of their convictions and whose faith is so fragile that it can't withstand a little lambasting. I actualy feel pity for them: imagine being so weak minded. Go ahead, down vote me; like that actually costs me time or money or impacts my life. It's actually worth getting the downvotes - it shows me that I got to you especially when you don't have the nads to say why. Hilarious.
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Just FYI, it wasn't me who downvoted you. I'm with you, couldn't care less about the voting one way or the other (although I did complain once when the nuclear downvote was still around). As for having the courage of ones conviction, I'm with you. For me it's more of a personal behavior and striving to live the way I believe a should. I really couldn't give a rats ass what someone says about my beliefs. Yeah, sometimes things are offensive, but it's still my choice to get offended. Mostly, I find it funny and humorous. Some people get so worked-up about nothing. Mostly I don't like to get involved in these internet discussions because it so often is fruitless. I don't mind talking with someone who will at least be mostly civil. I don't mind the holding-my-nose, condescending, looking down-my-nose, head-held-high attitude either. I think that's kinda funny, too, to be honest. The original story though I think is pretty ridiculous. How could anyone really know such a thing from so long ago?
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braun