What is the basis of tolerance?
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OK, I'm going sort of nutso. I think it's mid-life crisis. I can't seem to find a middle ground that I'm happy with--I seem to vacillate from one extreme to the other, and for those that have been tracking my posts recently, I'm obviously near the "intolerant" extreme. Help! Is it religion? Is it behavioral? Is there a difference in tolerance required of the individual vs. the society? Are we too tolerant, or not tolerant enough? What are the pros and cons of tolerance? What if being tolerant is in conflict with our nature? Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka -
OK, I'm going sort of nutso. I think it's mid-life crisis. I can't seem to find a middle ground that I'm happy with--I seem to vacillate from one extreme to the other, and for those that have been tracking my posts recently, I'm obviously near the "intolerant" extreme. Help! Is it religion? Is it behavioral? Is there a difference in tolerance required of the individual vs. the society? Are we too tolerant, or not tolerant enough? What are the pros and cons of tolerance? What if being tolerant is in conflict with our nature? Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka MuraokaMarc Clifton wrote: Is it religion? Is it behavioral? Is there a difference in tolerance required of the individual vs. the society? religion is fundamentally intolerant. Marc Clifton wrote: What are the pros and cons of tolerance? pros: the ablility and opportunity to enjoy things that have a few otherwise "intolerable" attributes. Without tolerance you would never get past the "intolerable" and see the admirable or interesting. cons: You must be willing to have things that you don't like be a part of your universe. Marc Clifton wrote: What if being tolerant is in conflict with our nature? being tolerant is likely not a part of our nature: it is a bit "counter survival" behavior.
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OK, I'm going sort of nutso. I think it's mid-life crisis. I can't seem to find a middle ground that I'm happy with--I seem to vacillate from one extreme to the other, and for those that have been tracking my posts recently, I'm obviously near the "intolerant" extreme. Help! Is it religion? Is it behavioral? Is there a difference in tolerance required of the individual vs. the society? Are we too tolerant, or not tolerant enough? What are the pros and cons of tolerance? What if being tolerant is in conflict with our nature? Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka MuraokaThe basis of tolerance is being willing to let other people be wrong. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002
C# will attract all comers, where VB is for IT Journalists and managers - Michael P Butler 05-12-2002
Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002 -
OK, I'm going sort of nutso. I think it's mid-life crisis. I can't seem to find a middle ground that I'm happy with--I seem to vacillate from one extreme to the other, and for those that have been tracking my posts recently, I'm obviously near the "intolerant" extreme. Help! Is it religion? Is it behavioral? Is there a difference in tolerance required of the individual vs. the society? Are we too tolerant, or not tolerant enough? What are the pros and cons of tolerance? What if being tolerant is in conflict with our nature? Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka MuraokaHi Marc :-) Marc Clifton wrote: for those that have been tracking my posts recently, I'm obviously near the "intolerant" extreme. It's not necessarily a question of tolerance in this particular case. Perhaps just patience. When you've seen 50 crappy articles come in in a row, the 51'st might just tip you over the edge. Marc Clifton wrote: Is there a difference in tolerance required of the individual vs. the society? Society is the individual. Society is composed of individuals and so what kind of society we have is determined solely by what we do as individuals. You complained in a previous post that society is too tolerant, but I think that this is using the word incorrectly. Tolerance doesn't mean letting people walk all over you or letting people do whatever the hell they want. It means accepting that there will be differences and working together to overcome any problems that may arise because of that. I see it as a question of inner peace. If someone is running around screaming and shouting about everything that's wrong in the world, that suggests to me that there's a lot of turmoil within. If they took the time to stop, calm down and step back to look at the situation, they might be able to see a better solution or approach. People make mistakes, some people are not very good at what they do and some people are assholes. It's never going to change so there's nothing to be gained by getting all het up about it. Marc Clifton wrote: What if being tolerant is in conflict with our nature? That's something between you and yourself. It kinda bugs me when people say "oh it's not my fault, it's in my nature." You can choose your nature and what kind of person you want to be.
he he he. I like it in the kitchen! - Marc Clifton (on taking the heat when being flamed) Awasu v0.4a[^]: A free RSS reader with support for Code Project.
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The basis of tolerance is being willing to let other people be wrong. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002
C# will attract all comers, where VB is for IT Journalists and managers - Michael P Butler 05-12-2002
Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002The basis of tolerance is being willing to let other people be wrong. Interesting. From that perspective, I can still maintain my own views and coexist at the same time with another person's. The issue of right vs. wrong doesn't need to be resolved. The problem I get into though is when being tolerant means that I am in some way giving something up--a degree of freedom, let say, or some control over a situation. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
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Marc Clifton wrote: Is it religion? Is it behavioral? Is there a difference in tolerance required of the individual vs. the society? religion is fundamentally intolerant. Marc Clifton wrote: What are the pros and cons of tolerance? pros: the ablility and opportunity to enjoy things that have a few otherwise "intolerable" attributes. Without tolerance you would never get past the "intolerable" and see the admirable or interesting. cons: You must be willing to have things that you don't like be a part of your universe. Marc Clifton wrote: What if being tolerant is in conflict with our nature? being tolerant is likely not a part of our nature: it is a bit "counter survival" behavior.
religion is fundamentally intolerant. Yet many religions preach tolerance. Why is that? the ablility and opportunity to enjoy things that have a few otherwise "intolerable" attributes. OK. In other words, things aren't black and white. However, consciously or not, this implies we make a decision as to whether the enjoyment of something is worth the tolerance of the "intolerable" attributes. It seems to me we don't make this decision very consciously. I think this is the very issue I'm trying to deal with. Bringing some consciousness to my day-to-day decisions on what I tolerate and what I don't. Without tolerance you would never get past the "intolerable" and see the admirable or interesting. Nicely put. being tolerant is likely not a part of our nature: it is a bit "counter survival" behavior. I was afraid of that! Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka -
The basis of tolerance is being willing to let other people be wrong. Interesting. From that perspective, I can still maintain my own views and coexist at the same time with another person's. The issue of right vs. wrong doesn't need to be resolved. The problem I get into though is when being tolerant means that I am in some way giving something up--a degree of freedom, let say, or some control over a situation. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka MuraokaMarc Clifton wrote: I can still maintain my own views and coexist at the same time with another person's. Of course. You are never going to get everyone to agree on something and often it's not even a question of being right or wrong, just a difference of opinions. Simply acknowledging the fact that different people will have different opinions is not a sign of weakness, it's just common sense. You don't lose "control" of anything. Look at your sig: "Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it." And besides, can you imagine a world where everyone thought like you?!?! :omg: If it's killing you so much to accept that someone else might have a different opinion or is not as good at doing something as you, that's not a question of tolerance but one of arrogance, IMHO (nb: not that I'm calling you arrogant - I don't think you are - but just pointing something out).
he he he. I like it in the kitchen! - Marc Clifton (on taking the heat when being flamed) Awasu v0.4a[^]: A free RSS reader with support for Code Project.
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Hi Marc :-) Marc Clifton wrote: for those that have been tracking my posts recently, I'm obviously near the "intolerant" extreme. It's not necessarily a question of tolerance in this particular case. Perhaps just patience. When you've seen 50 crappy articles come in in a row, the 51'st might just tip you over the edge. Marc Clifton wrote: Is there a difference in tolerance required of the individual vs. the society? Society is the individual. Society is composed of individuals and so what kind of society we have is determined solely by what we do as individuals. You complained in a previous post that society is too tolerant, but I think that this is using the word incorrectly. Tolerance doesn't mean letting people walk all over you or letting people do whatever the hell they want. It means accepting that there will be differences and working together to overcome any problems that may arise because of that. I see it as a question of inner peace. If someone is running around screaming and shouting about everything that's wrong in the world, that suggests to me that there's a lot of turmoil within. If they took the time to stop, calm down and step back to look at the situation, they might be able to see a better solution or approach. People make mistakes, some people are not very good at what they do and some people are assholes. It's never going to change so there's nothing to be gained by getting all het up about it. Marc Clifton wrote: What if being tolerant is in conflict with our nature? That's something between you and yourself. It kinda bugs me when people say "oh it's not my fault, it's in my nature." You can choose your nature and what kind of person you want to be.
he he he. I like it in the kitchen! - Marc Clifton (on taking the heat when being flamed) Awasu v0.4a[^]: A free RSS reader with support for Code Project.
That's something between you and yourself. It's funny. I don't like myself when I'm not tolerant, and I increasingly can't stand other people when I am. At some point I realize I'm glad I'm not in control of "the button", and things start to swing back the other way. You can choose your nature and what kind of person you want to be. Picard said those exact words (or damn close) in Nemesis! Society is composed of individuals and so what kind of society we have is determined solely by what we do as individuals. As a total aside, in the latest Crichton book, he talks about "emergent behavior" which is a behavior of the group that manifests itself, that is not "programmed" in to the individual. It's an interesting concept. Perhaps just patience. It means accepting that there will be differences and working together to overcome any problems that may arise because of that. Rhetorical question: Have you any idea how hard that is to do (I'm sure you do!)? I think we've all dealt with a person or two who can't even "come to the table" because they honestly don't see that they are causing an "issue" for others. Tolerance doesn't mean letting people walk all over you or letting people do whatever the hell they want. It seems to me that any degree of tolerance involves a "giving up" of personal freedom, however small. Maybe not in all instances, but in some. Intolerance occurs when the scale tips too much, and too many personal freedoms are given up. The freedom to live is an extreme example. that there's a lot of turmoil within Aye, that there is. I'll say one thing though--this sure beats paying $85/hr at the shrink! :-D Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka -
OK, I'm going sort of nutso. I think it's mid-life crisis. I can't seem to find a middle ground that I'm happy with--I seem to vacillate from one extreme to the other, and for those that have been tracking my posts recently, I'm obviously near the "intolerant" extreme. Help! Is it religion? Is it behavioral? Is there a difference in tolerance required of the individual vs. the society? Are we too tolerant, or not tolerant enough? What are the pros and cons of tolerance? What if being tolerant is in conflict with our nature? Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka MuraokaWell, i can do no better***** than recommend you watch a South Park episode from a few weeks back which delt with this very subject. And features Lemmywinks the gerbil king. It rocks. Marc Clifton wrote: Are we too tolerant, or not tolerant enough? Waay too tolerant. You've seen "Friends", right? That's just wrong... *****without actually putting effort into it
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Shog9 Atheists are boring. They only talk about god. - peterchen, “Atheists are idiots”
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religion is fundamentally intolerant. Yet many religions preach tolerance. Why is that? the ablility and opportunity to enjoy things that have a few otherwise "intolerable" attributes. OK. In other words, things aren't black and white. However, consciously or not, this implies we make a decision as to whether the enjoyment of something is worth the tolerance of the "intolerable" attributes. It seems to me we don't make this decision very consciously. I think this is the very issue I'm trying to deal with. Bringing some consciousness to my day-to-day decisions on what I tolerate and what I don't. Without tolerance you would never get past the "intolerable" and see the admirable or interesting. Nicely put. being tolerant is likely not a part of our nature: it is a bit "counter survival" behavior. I was afraid of that! Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka MuraokaMarc Clifton wrote: Yet many religions preach tolerance. Why is that? Perhaps it is easier or more gratifying to be "tolerant" if you are already convinced of your own superiority. AFAIK all religions profess to be the only "true" belief system. In my personal definition of tolerance there is a need to also accept that I might be wrong on any given issue, or at least be misunderstanding whatever I diagree with, dislike or disapprove of. I am, however, rather intolerant of "True Believers" of any stripe... Marc Clifton wrote: It seems to me we don't make this decision very consciously. Unfortunately true for the vast majority of us. IMHO, when one finds something "intolerable", it is very important to take a step back and question ourselves as to the reason for that reaction. Perhaps we are just reacting defensively to a percieved threat to ourselves, a rather natural behavior.
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Marc Clifton wrote: I can still maintain my own views and coexist at the same time with another person's. Of course. You are never going to get everyone to agree on something and often it's not even a question of being right or wrong, just a difference of opinions. Simply acknowledging the fact that different people will have different opinions is not a sign of weakness, it's just common sense. You don't lose "control" of anything. Look at your sig: "Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it." And besides, can you imagine a world where everyone thought like you?!?! :omg: If it's killing you so much to accept that someone else might have a different opinion or is not as good at doing something as you, that's not a question of tolerance but one of arrogance, IMHO (nb: not that I'm calling you arrogant - I don't think you are - but just pointing something out).
he he he. I like it in the kitchen! - Marc Clifton (on taking the heat when being flamed) Awasu v0.4a[^]: A free RSS reader with support for Code Project.
If it's killing you so much to accept that someone else might have a different opinion or is not as good at doing something as you, that's not a question of tolerance but one of arrogance, IMHO (nb: not that I'm calling you arrogant - I don't think you are - but just pointing something out). No, that's not the issue at all. What gets me is when there is no opportunity to dialog on our differences of opinion. It can be as simple as someone driving 55 in the left lane on a 65 MPH highway (sorry, no kilometer conversions), one's boss mandating something be done a certain way, or an argument that has no resolution with the spouse (to name a few examples). Tolerance requires some form of sacrifice, doesn't it? Even if that sacrifice is acknowledging that there are other paths equally worthy. Becoming less egocentric. And besides, can you imagine a world where everyone thought like you?!?! Oh, it would be just awful! ;P Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka -
Well, i can do no better***** than recommend you watch a South Park episode from a few weeks back which delt with this very subject. And features Lemmywinks the gerbil king. It rocks. Marc Clifton wrote: Are we too tolerant, or not tolerant enough? Waay too tolerant. You've seen "Friends", right? That's just wrong... *****without actually putting effort into it
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Shog9 Atheists are boring. They only talk about god. - peterchen, “Atheists are idiots”
You've seen "Friends", right? Umm, no. I'm intolerant of TV. :-D Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka -
Marc Clifton wrote: Yet many religions preach tolerance. Why is that? Perhaps it is easier or more gratifying to be "tolerant" if you are already convinced of your own superiority. AFAIK all religions profess to be the only "true" belief system. In my personal definition of tolerance there is a need to also accept that I might be wrong on any given issue, or at least be misunderstanding whatever I diagree with, dislike or disapprove of. I am, however, rather intolerant of "True Believers" of any stripe... Marc Clifton wrote: It seems to me we don't make this decision very consciously. Unfortunately true for the vast majority of us. IMHO, when one finds something "intolerable", it is very important to take a step back and question ourselves as to the reason for that reaction. Perhaps we are just reacting defensively to a percieved threat to ourselves, a rather natural behavior.
Perhaps it is easier or more gratifying to be "tolerant" if you are already convinced of your own superiority. Oy, now that's hard. Being tolerant and humble at the same time. I definitely agree-it is easier to be tolerant when you see everyone else as inferior. This is actually a major pitfall on the path to becoming more tolerant. This kind of attitude can creep into you without you even knowing it. when one finds something "intolerable", it is very important to take a step back and question ourselves as to the reason for that reaction. You and Taka both said that. Very wise. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka -
If it's killing you so much to accept that someone else might have a different opinion or is not as good at doing something as you, that's not a question of tolerance but one of arrogance, IMHO (nb: not that I'm calling you arrogant - I don't think you are - but just pointing something out). No, that's not the issue at all. What gets me is when there is no opportunity to dialog on our differences of opinion. It can be as simple as someone driving 55 in the left lane on a 65 MPH highway (sorry, no kilometer conversions), one's boss mandating something be done a certain way, or an argument that has no resolution with the spouse (to name a few examples). Tolerance requires some form of sacrifice, doesn't it? Even if that sacrifice is acknowledging that there are other paths equally worthy. Becoming less egocentric. And besides, can you imagine a world where everyone thought like you?!?! Oh, it would be just awful! ;P Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka MuraokaMarc Clifton wrote: No, that's not the issue at all. What gets me is when there is no opportunity to dialog on our differences of opinion. It can be as simple as someone driving 55 in the left lane on a 65 MPH highway (sorry, no kilometer conversions), one's boss mandating something be done a certain way, or an argument that has no resolution with the spouse (to name a few examples). IMO tolerance is not relevant to the above, perhaps acceptance, resignation or frustration might be applicable... Tolerance is more about agreeing to disagree (which requires at least some opportunity for discourse.
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If it's killing you so much to accept that someone else might have a different opinion or is not as good at doing something as you, that's not a question of tolerance but one of arrogance, IMHO (nb: not that I'm calling you arrogant - I don't think you are - but just pointing something out). No, that's not the issue at all. What gets me is when there is no opportunity to dialog on our differences of opinion. It can be as simple as someone driving 55 in the left lane on a 65 MPH highway (sorry, no kilometer conversions), one's boss mandating something be done a certain way, or an argument that has no resolution with the spouse (to name a few examples). Tolerance requires some form of sacrifice, doesn't it? Even if that sacrifice is acknowledging that there are other paths equally worthy. Becoming less egocentric. And besides, can you imagine a world where everyone thought like you?!?! Oh, it would be just awful! ;P Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka MuraokaIt's getting off the topic of tolerance just a bit but I always ask myself two things: 1) does it really matter? and 2) is it worth getting angry about? Marc Clifton wrote: someone driving 55 in the left lane on a 65 MPH highway No and no. Anyway, they may have a reason for driving slowly. OK, so they're in the wrong lane (that's right-hand lane over here :-) ) but some people just aren't as aware of that custom/law, some people just don't care. But no and no... Marc Clifton wrote: one's boss mandating something be done a certain way No and no. IT'S JUST A JOB!!! And at the end of the day, he's your boss and if he wants it done a certain way, even if it's not the best way, he's the one signing your checks. Does it really matter? No way. Marc Clifton wrote: an argument that has no resolution with the spouse Well, this one really depends on the argument. Marc Clifton wrote: Tolerance requires some form of sacrifice, doesn't it? Only if you see it as one.
he he he. I like it in the kitchen! - Marc Clifton (on taking the heat when being flamed) Awasu v0.4a[^]: A free RSS reader with support for Code Project.
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Marc Clifton wrote: No, that's not the issue at all. What gets me is when there is no opportunity to dialog on our differences of opinion. It can be as simple as someone driving 55 in the left lane on a 65 MPH highway (sorry, no kilometer conversions), one's boss mandating something be done a certain way, or an argument that has no resolution with the spouse (to name a few examples). IMO tolerance is not relevant to the above, perhaps acceptance, resignation or frustration might be applicable... Tolerance is more about agreeing to disagree (which requires at least some opportunity for discourse.
IMO tolerance is not relevant to the above, Yes, that does help with clarifying the concept of tolerance. Good point. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka -
It's getting off the topic of tolerance just a bit but I always ask myself two things: 1) does it really matter? and 2) is it worth getting angry about? Marc Clifton wrote: someone driving 55 in the left lane on a 65 MPH highway No and no. Anyway, they may have a reason for driving slowly. OK, so they're in the wrong lane (that's right-hand lane over here :-) ) but some people just aren't as aware of that custom/law, some people just don't care. But no and no... Marc Clifton wrote: one's boss mandating something be done a certain way No and no. IT'S JUST A JOB!!! And at the end of the day, he's your boss and if he wants it done a certain way, even if it's not the best way, he's the one signing your checks. Does it really matter? No way. Marc Clifton wrote: an argument that has no resolution with the spouse Well, this one really depends on the argument. Marc Clifton wrote: Tolerance requires some form of sacrifice, doesn't it? Only if you see it as one.
he he he. I like it in the kitchen! - Marc Clifton (on taking the heat when being flamed) Awasu v0.4a[^]: A free RSS reader with support for Code Project.
Tolerance requires some form of sacrifice, doesn't it? Only if you see it as one. I think any action in which you look at an issue from "the other's" perspective requires a sacrifice of the "self". But maybe this isn't tolerance. Maybe it's something else. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka -
That's something between you and yourself. It's funny. I don't like myself when I'm not tolerant, and I increasingly can't stand other people when I am. At some point I realize I'm glad I'm not in control of "the button", and things start to swing back the other way. You can choose your nature and what kind of person you want to be. Picard said those exact words (or damn close) in Nemesis! Society is composed of individuals and so what kind of society we have is determined solely by what we do as individuals. As a total aside, in the latest Crichton book, he talks about "emergent behavior" which is a behavior of the group that manifests itself, that is not "programmed" in to the individual. It's an interesting concept. Perhaps just patience. It means accepting that there will be differences and working together to overcome any problems that may arise because of that. Rhetorical question: Have you any idea how hard that is to do (I'm sure you do!)? I think we've all dealt with a person or two who can't even "come to the table" because they honestly don't see that they are causing an "issue" for others. Tolerance doesn't mean letting people walk all over you or letting people do whatever the hell they want. It seems to me that any degree of tolerance involves a "giving up" of personal freedom, however small. Maybe not in all instances, but in some. Intolerance occurs when the scale tips too much, and too many personal freedoms are given up. The freedom to live is an extreme example. that there's a lot of turmoil within Aye, that there is. I'll say one thing though--this sure beats paying $85/hr at the shrink! :-D Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka MuraokaMarc Clifton wrote: I don't like myself when I'm not tolerant, and I increasingly can't stand other people when I am So the question is not really one of whether or not you are tolerant of others but whether you are happy with who you are and how you behave. Marc Clifton wrote: Picard said those exact words (or damn close) in Nemesis! :rolleyes: So just call me Jean Luc... Marc Clifton wrote: "emergent behavior" which is a behavior of the group that manifests itself, that is not "programmed" in to the individual I don't think this is anything new. A large group of people will always tend to certain behaviours simply because most people follow what others are doing so once something starts to become popular, everyone else just joins in. Marc Clifton wrote: I think we've all dealt with a person or two who can't even "come to the table" because they honestly don't see that they are causing an "issue" for others. Of course, but as long as it doesn't affect me, then they can do whatever they please. But if it does, then I will take steps. That's what I mean about tolerance not meaning letting people walk over you. Marc Clifton wrote: It seems to me that any degree of tolerance involves a "giving up" of personal freedom, however small. Maybe not in all instances, but in some. Only if you feel that you have a right to do whatever you damn well please. But tolerance implies accepting that other people are different and everyone has to make accomodations to live together. Marc Clifton wrote: I'll say one thing though--this sure beats paying $85/hr at the shrink! Feel free to send a cheque :-)
he he he. I like it in the kitchen! - Marc Clifton (on taking the heat when being flamed) Awasu v0.4a[^]: A free RSS reader with support for Code Project.
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Tolerance requires some form of sacrifice, doesn't it? Only if you see it as one. I think any action in which you look at an issue from "the other's" perspective requires a sacrifice of the "self". But maybe this isn't tolerance. Maybe it's something else. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka MuraokaMarc Clifton wrote: I think any action in which you look at an issue from "the other's" perspective requires a sacrifice of the "self". This is because you see everything from the point of view of "me" and "everything else".
he he he. I like it in the kitchen! - Marc Clifton (on taking the heat when being flamed) Awasu v0.4a[^]: A free RSS reader with support for Code Project.
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OK, I'm going sort of nutso. I think it's mid-life crisis. I can't seem to find a middle ground that I'm happy with--I seem to vacillate from one extreme to the other, and for those that have been tracking my posts recently, I'm obviously near the "intolerant" extreme. Help! Is it religion? Is it behavioral? Is there a difference in tolerance required of the individual vs. the society? Are we too tolerant, or not tolerant enough? What are the pros and cons of tolerance? What if being tolerant is in conflict with our nature? Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka