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Why Obama needs to be the next President.

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  • J jschell

    ryanb31 wrote:

    Just s SMALL piece of advice. You are not going to find accurate information from people who USED to be Mormons, got offended by something, and now claim to tell the truth. exmormon.org is your source.

    So to be clear... One can't learn anything about communism by talking to someone who used to be a communist? One can't learn anything about Catholicism by talking to an ex-priest? One can't learn anything about heroin addiction by talking to an ex-addict? One can't learn anything about scienctology by talking to ex-members? etc... Or is it just Mormons that have the exalted position that ex-members immediately lose all knowledge of that group when they leave?

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    ZurdoDev
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    No, that is not clear. You can learn some things but how much truth are you going to learn from a disgruntled ex? You have millions of active members and the church continues to grow. So, it would be foolish to use a few disgruntled ex's as your ONLY source.

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    • J jschell

      ryanb31 wrote:

      The real issue is Obama is not even (likely) a citizen of the United States which goes against our constitution.

      Nonsense.

      ryanb31 wrote:

      And, the main point still stands even if Obama did or did not admit it himself. He is not eligible to be the President, yet there he is. That is what is most messed up.

      The good ol' US, where any crackpot can spout any ridiculous theory regardless of how outlandish it might be. How many magic crystals are in your wallet?

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      ZurdoDev
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      Don't take it too serious. It was a humorous post. And, if you watched the video you would understand. But you have not answered me. What good has Obama done?

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      • J jschell

        ryanb31 wrote:

        I am not a lawyer nor an expert on what qualifies on natural born...

        What a surprise.

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        To clarify, neither are you nor anyone else in this thread, I would bet.

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          ryanb31 wrote:

          I am not a lawyer nor an expert on what qualifies on natural born...

          What a surprise.

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          ZurdoDev
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          By the way, why so cranky? You are taking cheap personal shots at me. I feel like I need to call you out to meet behind the school later.

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          • Z ZurdoDev

            If you did not believe in the wind how could you understand air currents, weather patterns, etc? It's the same thing. You can't understand the more concepts if you first do not have an understanding of the basics. You mock what you do not understand. That shows your level of ignorance. Instead of politely disagreeing, you mock.

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            ryanb31 wrote:

            Then again, if you do not believe in the Bible one would assume you believe everything was created from nothing. Now there is a story to make fun of.

            ryanb31 wrote:

            You mock what you do not understand. That shows your level of ignorance.

            Indeed it does.

            ryanb31 wrote:

            If you did not believe in the wind how could you understand air currents, weather patterns, etc?

            Please explain what "believe in the wind" means.

            Use carrots and sticks to force the little fish into the big tent - Anon

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              Utter nonsense.

              Why? Just your opinion? He has deflated the dollar? Do you dispute that? So, what good has Obama done?

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              ryanb31 wrote:

              So, what good has Obama done?

              I didn't say he has done any good. I am disputing your claim that he by himself has this vast impact on an industry that is so pervasive and wide spread.

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                Sure is. Is it really much more simplier than blaming the President for price changes though? :-\ I just think people that gripe about gas prices and then blame it on the president have no clue. So 'simplifying' in such a matter atleast gets them off that topic, cause clearly they have no clue and it is pointless banter. Same people that call Obama a socialist and gripe then support Newt's $2.50 plan :wtf:

                Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.

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                jschell
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                Collin Jasnoch wrote:

                Is it really much more simplier than blaming the President for price changes though?

                Only in that both are wrong.

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                • J jschell

                  ryanb31 wrote:

                  So, what good has Obama done?

                  I didn't say he has done any good. I am disputing your claim that he by himself has this vast impact on an industry that is so pervasive and wide spread.

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                  Then you misunderstood my claim. He is not alone nor did I intend to imply that "he by himself" messed everything up.

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                  • Z ZurdoDev

                    If you did not believe in the wind how could you understand air currents, weather patterns, etc? It's the same thing. You can't understand the more concepts if you first do not have an understanding of the basics. You mock what you do not understand. That shows your level of ignorance. Instead of politely disagreeing, you mock.

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                    jschell
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                    ryanb31 wrote:

                    If you did not believe in the wind how could you understand air currents, weather patterns, etc? It's the same thing.

                    Nonsense. It isn't the same at all. Neither in the details nor in the general sense. I do NOT need to "believe" in the wind to study and understand the science of meteorology.

                    ryanb31 wrote:

                    You mock what you do not understand.

                    I suggest that you actually read what I have posted. I haven't said whether I believe or don't believe in God in any form. The fact that you assume my disbelief is based solely on your presumption that only your particular slant/view can be the proper one for God. Perhaps you should become a the head of a cult so you can truly control others beliefs.

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                    • Z ZurdoDev

                      No, that is not clear. You can learn some things but how much truth are you going to learn from a disgruntled ex? You have millions of active members and the church continues to grow. So, it would be foolish to use a few disgruntled ex's as your ONLY source.

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                      ryanb31 wrote:

                      You can learn some things but how much truth are you going to learn from a disgruntled ex?

                      So you agree that there is some truth there. Then the answer to your question depends how many exes there are.

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                      You have millions of active members and the church continues to grow.

                      That has absolutely nothing to do with anything.

                      ryanb31 wrote:

                      So, it would be foolish to use a few disgruntled ex's as your ONLY source.

                      Yes. But you claimed that nothing at all could be learned from them. And it is that point which I was addressing.

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                      • Z ZurdoDev

                        Don't take it too serious. It was a humorous post. And, if you watched the video you would understand. But you have not answered me. What good has Obama done?

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                        ryanb31 wrote:

                        It was a humorous post.

                        Then perhaps you have not learned this lesson yet, so let me help - repeating a joke over and over again doesn't make it more funny. Also posting something that wasn't originally intended to be funny in the first place without some qualification that makes the humor apparent isn't a good way to make something humorous.

                        ryanb31 wrote:

                        What good has Obama done?

                        Got rid of the completely ridiculous 'don't ask don't tell' policy.

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                        • J jschell

                          ryanb31 wrote:

                          If you did not believe in the wind how could you understand air currents, weather patterns, etc? It's the same thing.

                          Nonsense. It isn't the same at all. Neither in the details nor in the general sense. I do NOT need to "believe" in the wind to study and understand the science of meteorology.

                          ryanb31 wrote:

                          You mock what you do not understand.

                          I suggest that you actually read what I have posted. I haven't said whether I believe or don't believe in God in any form. The fact that you assume my disbelief is based solely on your presumption that only your particular slant/view can be the proper one for God. Perhaps you should become a the head of a cult so you can truly control others beliefs.

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                          1. You misunderstood. I did not say you have to understand basic wind to understand all of science. But you do have to understand wind to understand air currents, weather patterns, as I said. So, if you do not know who God is how can you understand his dealings with us? One builds on the other. 2. This is a long thread now and I thought I had asked you if you believe in God. Did you answer me? If I assumed incorrect, I apologize.

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                            ryanb31 wrote:

                            You can learn some things but how much truth are you going to learn from a disgruntled ex?

                            So you agree that there is some truth there. Then the answer to your question depends how many exes there are.

                            ryanb31 wrote:

                            You have millions of active members and the church continues to grow.

                            That has absolutely nothing to do with anything.

                            ryanb31 wrote:

                            So, it would be foolish to use a few disgruntled ex's as your ONLY source.

                            Yes. But you claimed that nothing at all could be learned from them. And it is that point which I was addressing.

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                            Quote:

                            you claimed that nothing at all could be learned from them.

                            I do not recall saying that. I believe you misunderstood.

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                            • Z ZurdoDev

                              To clarify, neither are you nor anyone else in this thread, I would bet.

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                              jschell
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                              ryanb31 wrote:

                              To clarify, neither are you nor anyone else in this thread, I would bet.

                              However you are the only one that is making statements specific to that subject.

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                              • Z ZurdoDev

                                By the way, why so cranky? You are taking cheap personal shots at me. I feel like I need to call you out to meet behind the school later.

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                                ryanb31 wrote:

                                By the way, why so cranky?

                                You are imposing emotions on me that do not exist.

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                                  ryanb31 wrote:

                                  It was a humorous post.

                                  Then perhaps you have not learned this lesson yet, so let me help - repeating a joke over and over again doesn't make it more funny. Also posting something that wasn't originally intended to be funny in the first place without some qualification that makes the humor apparent isn't a good way to make something humorous.

                                  ryanb31 wrote:

                                  What good has Obama done?

                                  Got rid of the completely ridiculous 'don't ask don't tell' policy.

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                                  1. I appreciate you searching for my name and attacking everything I say. It lets me know I am right, I am flattered. 2. Got me, you're right. Obama has done a great job. Took you a while to come up with one thing though. I would ask you to come up with a second thing but I may not be around long enough to hear it. And, so you don't get confused, I used the joke icon this time. You're welcome. Sorry for the sarcasm, but your only goal seems to be to argue with me, not make a point.

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                                  • J jschell

                                    ryanb31 wrote:

                                    By the way, why so cranky?

                                    You are imposing emotions on me that do not exist.

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                                    ZurdoDev
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                                    Whatever, you are searching for my name and attacking everything I say. You're a serial poster. A stalker. It's OK though. I am glad to know I got your attention. I would love to meet you in person because it is hard to read intent and emotion in posts.

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                                    • Z ZurdoDev

                                      Then you misunderstood my claim. He is not alone nor did I intend to imply that "he by himself" messed everything up.

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                                      jschell
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                                      I can only read what you write and respond to that.

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                                      • Z ZurdoDev

                                        1. You misunderstood. I did not say you have to understand basic wind to understand all of science. But you do have to understand wind to understand air currents, weather patterns, as I said. So, if you do not know who God is how can you understand his dealings with us? One builds on the other. 2. This is a long thread now and I thought I had asked you if you believe in God. Did you answer me? If I assumed incorrect, I apologize.

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                                        ryanb31 wrote:

                                        You misunderstood. I did not say you have to understand basic wind to understand all of science.

                                        Since I didn't claim that it can't be but otherwise.

                                        ryanb31 wrote:

                                        But you do have to understand wind to understand air currents, weather patterns, as I said.

                                        That isn't what you said. I can believe in a wind god and perform rites to such a god and yet still study and understand meteorology.

                                        ryanb31 wrote:

                                        So, if you do not know who God is how can you understand his dealings with us? One builds on the other.

                                        And as I already said - nonsense. Based on that every clergy that ever has a crisis of faith immediately loses are understanding of the religious principles that they are a member of.

                                        ryanb31 wrote:

                                        I had asked you if you believe in God. Did you answer me? If I assumed incorrect, I apologize.

                                        My belief in a god is irrelevant to the discussion. Note as well that my convictions or not about a diety doesn't mean that I hold the same view as you. But perhaps you woud claim that as long as I believe in something like Gaia that you point would be immediately apparant.

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                                        • J jschell

                                          I can only read what you write and respond to that.

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                                          ZurdoDev
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                                          Correct, then please do. I did not say he had done it by himself.

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