on vaccines...
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I've got a lot to say on this issue, having done a lot of research and having made what I consider to be an educated choice regarding my son's vaccinations, but I'll limit it to this: Up until 1999 many vaccines were being preserved with thymizol (sp?) [I may not even have the right ingredient here] which contains mercury. There was a goverment agency set up to help parents whose children became mentally affected (enhanced autistic behaviors). The Homeland Security Act negates all this. One more thing: Having a child myself, I've had more doctors, health care workers, and educators lie to me that "vaccination is required for your son to go to school." when they know darn well that you can get a waver. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
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I've got a lot to say on this issue, having done a lot of research and having made what I consider to be an educated choice regarding my son's vaccinations, but I'll limit it to this: Up until 1999 many vaccines were being preserved with thymizol (sp?) [I may not even have the right ingredient here] which contains mercury. There was a goverment agency set up to help parents whose children became mentally affected (enhanced autistic behaviors). The Homeland Security Act negates all this. One more thing: Having a child myself, I've had more doctors, health care workers, and educators lie to me that "vaccination is required for your son to go to school." when they know darn well that you can get a waver. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka MuraokaI looked into this a while ago because of my son's health. thimerosal yeah its made up of almost half by weight of ethylmercury EtHg. But the stuff that they will replace it with will just have other heavy metals. IMHO: a solution exists for this in 1st world countries but most parents would not find it acceptble. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.
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I looked into this a while ago because of my son's health. thimerosal yeah its made up of almost half by weight of ethylmercury EtHg. But the stuff that they will replace it with will just have other heavy metals. IMHO: a solution exists for this in 1st world countries but most parents would not find it acceptble. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.
IMHO: a solution exists for this in 1st world countries but most parents would not find it acceptble. What? I'm genuinely interested. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka -
IMHO: a solution exists for this in 1st world countries but most parents would not find it acceptble. What? I'm genuinely interested. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka MuraokaKeep children segreagated form other masses of children for as long as possible, to eliminate infection. So until the children reach an age 5 or 6 when their bodies will handle the toxic side effects of vaccines better. This would mean an end to childcare, creches etc and parents would need to provide care for their kids. The worse toxic effects appear to come when infants or fetuses recieve vaccines so delaying vaccination if possible makes sense to me. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.
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Keep children segreagated form other masses of children for as long as possible, to eliminate infection. So until the children reach an age 5 or 6 when their bodies will handle the toxic side effects of vaccines better. This would mean an end to childcare, creches etc and parents would need to provide care for their kids. The worse toxic effects appear to come when infants or fetuses recieve vaccines so delaying vaccination if possible makes sense to me. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.
I concur completely. I came to the same conclusion myself. I thought this was what the Japanese were doing up until recently. The worse toxic effects appear to come when infants or fetuses recieve vaccines so delaying vaccination if possible makes sense to me. It's so ridiculous. Every year they seem to be pushing for vaccinations at an earlier age. For example, tetanus, which is an anaerobic bacteria, so you won't find it anywhere where there's oxygen---come on, where is an infant going to encounter a "deep wound"??? This would mean an end to childcare, For many reasons, besides disease pathway control, I think this is a good idea. Another reason is developmental. My girlfriend works in a daycare and she can't stand it. I wish our society were structured so that one parent could stay at home for the 5-6 years, and have their income completely funded by the government. I think the savings in medical expenses, across the board (ear infections, etc) would more than offset the cost of this. Keep children segreagated form other masses of children for as long as possible Absolutely. They need a safe, warm, small environment to start off with. All this "socialization" sh*t is just that, and developmentally damaging as well. Good grief. I wish more people felt like you. The only places I seem to find this kind of attitude is, so far, among a FEW parents at my son's Waldorf school. You mentioned (to paraphrase) something about your "son's medical problems". I hope everything turns out OK. If you care to elaborate, I would welcome a discussion (offline might be more appropriate). Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka -
I concur completely. I came to the same conclusion myself. I thought this was what the Japanese were doing up until recently. The worse toxic effects appear to come when infants or fetuses recieve vaccines so delaying vaccination if possible makes sense to me. It's so ridiculous. Every year they seem to be pushing for vaccinations at an earlier age. For example, tetanus, which is an anaerobic bacteria, so you won't find it anywhere where there's oxygen---come on, where is an infant going to encounter a "deep wound"??? This would mean an end to childcare, For many reasons, besides disease pathway control, I think this is a good idea. Another reason is developmental. My girlfriend works in a daycare and she can't stand it. I wish our society were structured so that one parent could stay at home for the 5-6 years, and have their income completely funded by the government. I think the savings in medical expenses, across the board (ear infections, etc) would more than offset the cost of this. Keep children segreagated form other masses of children for as long as possible Absolutely. They need a safe, warm, small environment to start off with. All this "socialization" sh*t is just that, and developmentally damaging as well. Good grief. I wish more people felt like you. The only places I seem to find this kind of attitude is, so far, among a FEW parents at my son's Waldorf school. You mentioned (to paraphrase) something about your "son's medical problems". I hope everything turns out OK. If you care to elaborate, I would welcome a discussion (offline might be more appropriate). Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka MuraokaI have no dispute with you on this Marc. Marc Clifton wrote: I wish our society were structured so that one parent could stay at home for the 5-6 years, and have their income completely funded by the government Yes that would be nice. My opinion is that most parents put material possessions at a higher level then their children's welfare. (New Zealand based observation) eg Them: "We need to both be working so we can pay for our mortgage" Me: "So move to a smaller house in a less affluent suburb" Them: "But it' not such a good investment" In short, most married couples here have got trapped into a vicious circle of chasing money at their children's expense. I think most of them are too blinded by dollars to see what they are doing. My "son's medical problems" that he has is Asperger's syndrome which is a problem in the Autisic spectrum. when he was first diagnosed I looked at a lot of the theories as to why it might have occurred and I have decided it's purely genetic. eg Blame me. He is a very bright 9yr old, however he lacks basic social skills with peers and others. (recently he designed and made a radio transmitter from old electronic components) Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.
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Keep children segreagated form other masses of children for as long as possible, to eliminate infection. So until the children reach an age 5 or 6 when their bodies will handle the toxic side effects of vaccines better. This would mean an end to childcare, creches etc and parents would need to provide care for their kids. The worse toxic effects appear to come when infants or fetuses recieve vaccines so delaying vaccination if possible makes sense to me. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.
Colin Davies wrote: Keep children segreagated form other masses of children for as long as possible one major effect of this would be to stunt the child's immune system. nobody is born with a full set of anti-bodies. it takes exposure to bugs to develop resistance to bugs. there's also a growing number of people who attribute many auto-immune/allergy syndromes (like my personal favorite, asthma) to underdeveloped immune systems. -c
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Keep children segreagated form other masses of children for as long as possible, to eliminate infection. So until the children reach an age 5 or 6 when their bodies will handle the toxic side effects of vaccines better. This would mean an end to childcare, creches etc and parents would need to provide care for their kids. The worse toxic effects appear to come when infants or fetuses recieve vaccines so delaying vaccination if possible makes sense to me. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.
To the best of my knowledge this is a bad idea (if taken to the extreme). The early years are important for natural buildup of the immune system. Keeping a child "safe from any infection risks" will leave it less protected in the later years. Of course, thinkng on you end up with the question: Is it better to risk the death of a few for a better life (and lifespan) of the "masses"? A question I don't want to have to answer.
If I could find a souvenir / just to prove the world was here [sighist]
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To the best of my knowledge this is a bad idea (if taken to the extreme). The early years are important for natural buildup of the immune system. Keeping a child "safe from any infection risks" will leave it less protected in the later years. Of course, thinkng on you end up with the question: Is it better to risk the death of a few for a better life (and lifespan) of the "masses"? A question I don't want to have to answer.
If I could find a souvenir / just to prove the world was here [sighist]
I differ to disagree. In the last 10,000 yrs we have gone from a generally ruralized lifestyle to an urbanized lifestyle in most cases. A survey done here in NZ about a yr ago showed the average urbanized preschool child caught 27 cases of flu an average a year against 14 cases for rural children. I postulate that 10,000 yrs ago children could have caught less than 2 cases per year. In that 10,000 years humans haven't had time to evolve sufficiently for infants to have such great exposure as they have now. I agree some exposure is necessary, but we how have documented cases of urban children who are perpetually sick with minor viral attacks. My arguement is that we have gone from one extreme to another. Sick children are also being continually treated for ailments especially infants for fever, the results of such regular treatments may well have detrimental effects. peterchen wrote: Of course, thinkng on you end up with the question: Is it better to risk the death of a few for a better life (and lifespan) of the "masses"? A question I don't want to have to answer. Yes, I understand, but this is the reality, finding a "happy" median will always be this way. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.