Iran War
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I'm hearing a lot from my brother about a possible war breaking out with Iran involving the US and Israel. I am having issue finding good links about what sort of sanctions are in place now, what acts have been taken, or what types of things make everyone think we are going towards a war. If someone could provide some decent informative links I'd be thankful. I'm finding lots of long blogs and the like, but they aren't really saying anything. All I want is information. I know for a fact that all my brothers information comes from American media (through television mostly), and I'm trying to follow up but all I can find are crap posts that talk alot but don't really give any information (or facts from what I can see).
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basically the zionists from AIPAC (seemingly the most powerful lobby grp in DC) and Israel are forcing your boys n girls into harms way when really Iran having a nuke wouldnt make a lick of difference since most of the neighbours do anyway. Iran wants to use less of its own oil because its profitable to sell it, Iran wants to be energy independent.... Israel has the 5th largest WMD arsenal on the planet and they commit war crimes on a monthly basis(with US weapons) against the palestines. It will start WWIII though...:~ because China and Russia have massive investments in Iran and would like to see those investments mature USA hit peak Oil production in 1971 and has been stealing it from arabs ever since... The reason Iran hates you guys so much is the CIA / MI5 installed the "shah of Iran" a brutal dictator that bleed his people dry until the revolution, BP did real well though.
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Right now Iran has precious little support from the other arab nations. If Israel or America attacked first, that would change instantly. America is being a lot more cautious and appears willing to let sanctions take effect. Israel is less patient.
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
Israel is less patient.
This is the key to the whole thing over there, on so many levels. Good point.
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It really boils down to whether or not the allies believe or know that Iran is attempting to create a nuclear weapons capability. Iran has rockets that can easily reach Israel (and beyond I think) so if they were to achieve that cappability the fear is that they would use them without further ado. They have clearly stated their intention to remove Israel from the map and have proved somewhat intransigent when it comes to allowing foreign inspections of their facilities. Israel would not be able to risk that they would use nuclear weapons in an unprovoked attack so will, quite soon I would have thought, attept to destroy Iranian nuclear facilities. The US will back Israel becuase they are allies and have the same fear together with a further fear that Iran would be able to deliver an active nuclear device into the US. Given that is the case and Iran's clear intransigence I feel that something is inevitable. I'm not sure that it will be a large scale war, rather, perhaps, a series of air strikes to demolish their nuclear ambitions. Iran may try to retaliate after that and that may lead to something else but I wouldn't have thought so - they'll have played their cards and lost. Perhaps they'll just rebuild and try again in a few years. If it did devolve into all out war that would be bad for everyone. Just my thoughts. [Note] Bit perplexed as to why this is getting downvoted: it's simply an unbiased summation of how I see the situation. Perhaps one of you can explain why it deserves negative votes?
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Can't see why that was downvoted, it seems to sum up the situation rather well.
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Can't see why that was downvoted, it seems to sum up the situation rather well.
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I've done my best to counter the univote. We really need a big poster with General Dalek on it pointing a finger saying, "Our reputation needs You".
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I've done my best to counter the univote. We really need a big poster with General Dalek on it pointing a finger saying, "Our reputation needs You".
*pre-emptive celebratory nipple tassle jiggle* - Sean Ewington
"Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos
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--------------------------------- I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] English League Tables - Live
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Right now Iran has precious little support from the other arab nations. If Israel or America attacked first, that would change instantly. America is being a lot more cautious and appears willing to let sanctions take effect. Israel is less patient.
*pre-emptive celebratory nipple tassle jiggle* - Sean Ewington
"Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
Israel is less patient.
Israel has more to lose. Iran is developing nuclear technology, and it's ass-clown president keeps talking about wiping Israel off the map (if news reports are to nbe believed). It's no wonder Israel is getting jumpy...
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wizardzz wrote:
Russia and China
I don't think (and this is just a feeling) that China would do anything - too busy making money. Russia, on the other hand, is gagging to flex its muscles.
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Is your feeling based on some facts? Because in the last few decades the Russia is not the one flexing muscles. And do you think they are going to back up Iran against their former citizens? If you missed it there is movement in Israel to make the Russian second official language because it’s a first language for 2.5 million Israeli or third of the country population, half of the Jewish population. Just for example Russia lost a deal for billions of dollars refusing to sell C-300 complex to Iran, because Israel asked them to do so. Also a lot of their SU-30 for export contain some Israel electronic components. Not much but enough to give them a hard time with their Arabian clients – including returned aircrafts. This cold-war thinking was ridiculous at first, but now, more than 20 years after the cold war is ignorant at best.
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I'm hearing a lot from my brother about a possible war breaking out with Iran involving the US and Israel. I am having issue finding good links about what sort of sanctions are in place now, what acts have been taken, or what types of things make everyone think we are going towards a war. If someone could provide some decent informative links I'd be thankful. I'm finding lots of long blogs and the like, but they aren't really saying anything. All I want is information. I know for a fact that all my brothers information comes from American media (through television mostly), and I'm trying to follow up but all I can find are crap posts that talk alot but don't really give any information (or facts from what I can see).
If it moves, compile it
There won’t be an attack from Israel me thinks. The Iran’s main nuclear research facility is deep underground in a concrete bunker. The only conventional weapon capable to penetrate 60 meters of concrete is a 12 tons US bomb. Israel doesn’t have neither the bomb nor airplane capable to carry such monster and USA looks a little reluctant to give such toys to them. I hope the common sense will prevail.
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It really boils down to whether or not the allies believe or know that Iran is attempting to create a nuclear weapons capability. Iran has rockets that can easily reach Israel (and beyond I think) so if they were to achieve that cappability the fear is that they would use them without further ado. They have clearly stated their intention to remove Israel from the map and have proved somewhat intransigent when it comes to allowing foreign inspections of their facilities. Israel would not be able to risk that they would use nuclear weapons in an unprovoked attack so will, quite soon I would have thought, attept to destroy Iranian nuclear facilities. The US will back Israel becuase they are allies and have the same fear together with a further fear that Iran would be able to deliver an active nuclear device into the US. Given that is the case and Iran's clear intransigence I feel that something is inevitable. I'm not sure that it will be a large scale war, rather, perhaps, a series of air strikes to demolish their nuclear ambitions. Iran may try to retaliate after that and that may lead to something else but I wouldn't have thought so - they'll have played their cards and lost. Perhaps they'll just rebuild and try again in a few years. If it did devolve into all out war that would be bad for everyone. Just my thoughts. [Note] Bit perplexed as to why this is getting downvoted: it's simply an unbiased summation of how I see the situation. Perhaps one of you can explain why it deserves negative votes?
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mark merrens wrote:
It really boils down to whether or not the allies believe or know that Iran is attempting to create a nuclear weapons capability.
Would that were true. It really depends only on whether the 'allies' (actually the US and a coalition of the coerced) can convince their populations that Iran is attempting to create a nuclear weapons capability. If they can, then an enforced regime change will be attempted. Otherwise Iran will continue to be poked with a sharp stick until it overreacts and gives the US an excuse to act.
mark merrens wrote:
Iran has rockets that can easily reach Israel (and beyond I think) so if they were to achieve that capability the fear is that they would use them without further ado.
Achieving what, precisely? Don't you think the 'fallout' of such an action might be ever so slightly detrimental to Iran?
mark merrens wrote:
They have clearly stated their intention to remove Israel from the map
Or perhaps something more nuanced, like "This regime that is occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time." Rather as the regime in the USSR did, and as the regime in Iran will, given time.
mark merrens wrote:
and have proved somehwat intransigent when it comes to allowing foreign inspections of their facilities.
As are the USA and Russia. But, then, the NPT contains 'acceptable intransigence' clauses for those that wrote it.
mark merrens wrote:
Israel would not be able to risk that they would ... try again in a few years.
Did you copy and paste this from Stratfor - Political Analysts to the Stars? :)
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Right now Iran has precious little support from the other arab nations. If Israel or America attacked first, that would change instantly. America is being a lot more cautious and appears willing to let sanctions take effect. Israel is less patient.
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Good point. And not only they don’t have support from the Arabs, but some countries like Saudi Arabia are considering them their greatest enemy because Iran is a loose cannon with a fanatics religious freaks governing the country. One war can change all this in a way not favorable for the west.
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I have a feeling mark is right, Israel made a bomb run on an Iraqi nuke facility in '81 and will probably do it to Iran to preemptively defend themselves: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Opera[^] I imagine they would do something similar to Iran, possibly using U.S. bunker busters: http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/bombs-vs-bunkers-in-a-potential-iran-attack-7334000?click=pm_latest[^] Whether or not it turns into an all out war will likely be based on Iran's response, along with Russia and China, which are relative neighbors.
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wizardzz wrote:
Israel made a bomb run on an Iraqi nuke facility in '81
About the same time that Israel was selling arms to the Islamic Republic of Iran. Which was about the time Ayatollah Khomeini said "This regime that is occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time." Just can't trust politicians and their propaganda, can you?
wizardzz wrote:
I imagine they would do something similar to Iran, possibly using U.S. bunker busters
Which they have been threatening to do for the past 5 or 6 years. I can remember, just before the 6 days' war, the Israeli government publishing its plans to mount a surprise attack on Egyptian airfields to remove their bomber capability. :rolleyes:
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Good point. And not only they don’t have support from the Arabs, but some countries like Saudi Arabia are considering them their greatest enemy because Iran is a loose cannon with a fanatics religious freaks governing the country. One war can change all this in a way not favorable for the west.
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Deyan Georgiev wrote:
religious freaks governing the country.
But haven't you described pretty much every country in the middle east?
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There won’t be an attack from Israel me thinks. The Iran’s main nuclear research facility is deep underground in a concrete bunker. The only conventional weapon capable to penetrate 60 meters of concrete is a 12 tons US bomb. Israel doesn’t have neither the bomb nor airplane capable to carry such monster and USA looks a little reluctant to give such toys to them. I hope the common sense will prevail.
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You haven't been paying very close attention to the news. Israel just finished developing their own bunker buster.
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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wizardzz wrote:
Russia and China
I don't think (and this is just a feeling) that China would do anything - too busy making money. Russia, on the other hand, is gagging to flex its muscles.
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mark merrens wrote:
Russia, on the other hand, is gagging to flex its muscles.
Yeah, I have the impresion Putin want to see Russia return to the glory days of world power. Tell me, what is he spending on the military? Is he building it up? If so, and the US/Israel attack Iran, an old Russian ally, he might come back with something. I doubt it would be much, but some sabre ratlign and a token strike perhaps.
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
Israel is less patient.
Israel has more to lose. Iran is developing nuclear technology, and it's ass-clown president keeps talking about wiping Israel off the map (if news reports are to nbe believed). It's no wonder Israel is getting jumpy...
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
and it's ass-clown president keeps talking about wiping Israel off the map (if news reports are to nbe believed).
If "This regime that is occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time." can be construed as "Wipe Israel off the map." The regimes of the European Empires have vanished from the page of time, and yet their territories still remain on the maps.
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Deyan Georgiev wrote:
religious freaks governing the country.
But haven't you described pretty much every country in the middle east?
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997Not entirely, look at Saudi Arabia. They are also theocracy and monarchy, but they are more or less adequate and are the strongest US alias in the hole frisking region. Also we have Jordan, Arab Emirates and hopefully Egypt after the dust settles down. Although I have to admit that a lot of the terrorist originate from these relatively stable countries, at least they are not supported from their governments.
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You haven't been paying very close attention to the news. Israel just finished developing their own bunker buster.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997Yes, this is something new for me – thanks. Do you khow how they are going to deliver the bomb? Their F 16 and even F-15E are not capable to carry more than 5 tons of weapons if they are fully loaded with fuel, and they have to be for this mission? Because the US bomb can be carried only from B-1, B-52 and B-2 spirit. Even B-2 can carry only two of these with maximum take of weight and with seriously reduces range. Probably the Israeli bomb is considerably smaller.
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wizardzz wrote:
Israel made a bomb run on an Iraqi nuke facility in '81
About the same time that Israel was selling arms to the Islamic Republic of Iran. Which was about the time Ayatollah Khomeini said "This regime that is occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time." Just can't trust politicians and their propaganda, can you?
wizardzz wrote:
I imagine they would do something similar to Iran, possibly using U.S. bunker busters
Which they have been threatening to do for the past 5 or 6 years. I can remember, just before the 6 days' war, the Israeli government publishing its plans to mount a surprise attack on Egyptian airfields to remove their bomber capability. :rolleyes:
Use carrots and sticks to force the little fish into the big tent - Anon
ict558 wrote:
About the same time that Israel was selling arms to the Islamic Republic of Iran. Which was about the time Ayatollah Khomeini said "This regime that is occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time."
Just can't trust politicians and their propaganda, can you?The "My enemy's enemy is my friend" logic really seems to have dictated alliances in that region since WW2.
ict558 wrote:
I can remember, just before the 6 days' war, the Israeli government publishing its plans to mount a surprise attack on Egyptian airfields to remove their bomber capability
I guess when Netanyahu starts getting really detailed, we will know the attack is imminent.
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mark merrens wrote:
Russia, on the other hand, is gagging to flex its muscles.
Yeah, I have the impresion Putin want to see Russia return to the glory days of world power. Tell me, what is he spending on the military? Is he building it up? If so, and the US/Israel attack Iran, an old Russian ally, he might come back with something. I doubt it would be much, but some sabre ratlign and a token strike perhaps.
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IMO Russia is not Iran’s allay any more. The mullahs in Iran included Russia amongst the “devils spawn” countries after Russia ratification of the latest UN sanctions against Iran. I could be proved wrong, but I think Russia will reacts with something more than a white noise, only if Israel bombs the Iran’s nuclear power plant until there are Russian engineers and workers in it, or use tactical nuclear weapons.
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Good point. And not only they don’t have support from the Arabs, but some countries like Saudi Arabia are considering them their greatest enemy because Iran is a loose cannon with a fanatics religious freaks governing the country. One war can change all this in a way not favorable for the west.
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Deyan Georgiev wrote:
Saudi Arabia are considering them their greatest enemy because Iran is a loose cannon with a fanatics religious freaks governing the country.
So the opinion of the US is also that of the fanatics and religious freaks that rule Saudi Arabia. How unlikely is that? :rolleyes:
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