Iran War
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You're missing the point: we can only form opinions based on what we see, hear, read and experience. I have seen, heard and read a variety of views on Putin over a number of years from many sources whiuch lead me to believe that he is a power hungry poltician who will do anything to stay at the top and who has, reportedely, said that he wants to build Russia's military back to it's former glory (whatver that might have been). I said I would be more suspicious of Russia than China right now based on the context of the conversation and what I think about Putin. It's a discussion of possibilities, that's all. Relaise that and keep your rudeness to yourself - I really don't care that you haven't had your coffee - if you can't be civil then say nothing.
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mark merrens wrote:
a power hungry poltician who will do anything to stay at the top
Well, you could say that about ANY of them.
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It really boils down to whether or not the allies believe or know that Iran is attempting to create a nuclear weapons capability. Iran has rockets that can easily reach Israel (and beyond I think) so if they were to achieve that cappability the fear is that they would use them without further ado. They have clearly stated their intention to remove Israel from the map and have proved somewhat intransigent when it comes to allowing foreign inspections of their facilities. Israel would not be able to risk that they would use nuclear weapons in an unprovoked attack so will, quite soon I would have thought, attept to destroy Iranian nuclear facilities. The US will back Israel becuase they are allies and have the same fear together with a further fear that Iran would be able to deliver an active nuclear device into the US. Given that is the case and Iran's clear intransigence I feel that something is inevitable. I'm not sure that it will be a large scale war, rather, perhaps, a series of air strikes to demolish their nuclear ambitions. Iran may try to retaliate after that and that may lead to something else but I wouldn't have thought so - they'll have played their cards and lost. Perhaps they'll just rebuild and try again in a few years. If it did devolve into all out war that would be bad for everyone. Just my thoughts. [Note] Bit perplexed as to why this is getting downvoted: it's simply an unbiased summation of how I see the situation. Perhaps one of you can explain why it deserves negative votes?
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mark merrens wrote:
They have clearly stated their intention to remove Israel from the map
When and where? Now here's the truth: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/did-ahmadinejad-really-say-israel-should-be-wiped-off-the-map/2011/10/04/gIQABJIKML_blog.html[^] http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=4527[^]
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
Israel is less patient.
Israel has more to lose. Iran is developing nuclear technology, and it's ass-clown president keeps talking about wiping Israel off the map (if news reports are to nbe believed). It's no wonder Israel is getting jumpy...
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I’m not missing the point. Putin and the guy after him was trying to recreate their military forces after the complete collapse during the Elcin times. And I’m talking completely dysfunctional military. The situation had been so miserable that US had to pay for the security in the Russian nuclear facilities. Then was the fiasco in the first Chechenian war. So one of the reason Putin was elected was because he has promised to fix this pathetic situation. Their rate of buying military equipment is far behind those of China and India and they have to protect 150 million people and territory with the size of North America. This doesn’t makes them a rogue state what IMO you are trying to imply.
mark merrens wrote:
Relaise that and keep your rudeness to yourself - I really don't care that you haven't had your coffee - if you can't be civil then say nothing.
C’mon what did I said that makes me uncivil and keeps you bitter half day?
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Where did I say Russia are a rogue state??? All I said, if you bothered to read it properly, was that out of China and Russia I would have picked Russia as a country more likely to get involved. To quote: "That’s why I was rude". You said it and I'm not 'bitter', just don't like rude people - no need for it and no excuse.
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Where did I say Russia are a rogue state??? All I said, if you bothered to read it properly, was that out of China and Russia I would have picked Russia as a country more likely to get involved. To quote: "That’s why I was rude". You said it and I'm not 'bitter', just don't like rude people - no need for it and no excuse.
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mark merrens wrote:
All I said, if you bothered to read it properly, was that out of China and Russia I would have picked Russia as a country more likely to get involved.
I generally agree with that, but it’s slightly different form:
mark merrens wrote:
Russia, on the other hand, is gagging to flex its muscles.
Don’t you think?
mark merrens wrote:
To quote: "That’s why I was rude". You said it and I'm not 'bitter', just don't like rude people - no need for it and no excuse.
Whatever floats your boat.
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basically the zionists from AIPAC (seemingly the most powerful lobby grp in DC) and Israel are forcing your boys n girls into harms way when really Iran having a nuke wouldnt make a lick of difference since most of the neighbours do anyway. Iran wants to use less of its own oil because its profitable to sell it, Iran wants to be energy independent.... Israel has the 5th largest WMD arsenal on the planet and they commit war crimes on a monthly basis(with US weapons) against the palestines. It will start WWIII though...:~ because China and Russia have massive investments in Iran and would like to see those investments mature USA hit peak Oil production in 1971 and has been stealing it from arabs ever since... The reason Iran hates you guys so much is the CIA / MI5 installed the "shah of Iran" a brutal dictator that bleed his people dry until the revolution, BP did real well though.
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
and it's ass-clown president keeps talking about wiping Israel off the map (if news reports are to nbe believed)
Didn't you see what I put in parenthesis? I covered that base. You can remove your 1-vote now.
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mark merrens wrote:
All I said, if you bothered to read it properly, was that out of China and Russia I would have picked Russia as a country more likely to get involved.
I generally agree with that, but it’s slightly different form:
mark merrens wrote:
Russia, on the other hand, is gagging to flex its muscles.
Don’t you think?
mark merrens wrote:
To quote: "That’s why I was rude". You said it and I'm not 'bitter', just don't like rude people - no need for it and no excuse.
Whatever floats your boat.
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No, I really feel that Putin, given the chance, would love to reclaim the USSR. He's already won the election with, apparently, massive voter fraud and will, I'm sure help Medvedev back to be PM or similar. So, do I think they're gagging to to flex their muscles? Yes, I do which means I think they're more likely to get involved than China (which is far too involved in making money).
Deyan Georgiev wrote:
Whatever floats your boat.
You're just a rude git: you can't stop, can you? No need to answer.
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Didn't you see what I put in parenthesis? I covered that base. You can remove your 1-vote now.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Didn't you see what I put in parenthesis?
Yes I did and even quoted it in my reply. But still, I feel that you shouldn't say something without verifying it.
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
You can remove your 1-vote now.
Replaced with 5+.
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Why, when I read posts like this, do I feel that you are using zionists as a rude word?
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mark merrens wrote:
They have clearly stated their intention to remove Israel from the map
When and where? Now here's the truth: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/did-ahmadinejad-really-say-israel-should-be-wiped-off-the-map/2011/10/04/gIQABJIKML_blog.html[^] http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=4527[^]
On the occassion of the 60th anniversary of the creation of Isreal: "Those who think they can revive the stinking corpse of the usurping and fake Israeli regime by throwing a birthday party are seriously mistaken. Today the reason for the Zionist regime's existence is questioned, and this regime is on its way to annihilation." or "The Zionist regime has lost its raison d'être. Today, the Palestinians identify with your name Khomeini, your memory, and in your path. They are walking in your illuminated path and the Zionist regime has reached a total dead end. Thanks to God, your wish will soon be realized, and this germ of corruption will be wiped off."
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Yawn: that is a very blinkered and somewhat prejudiced perspective so difficult to take your ranting seriously.
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mark merrens wrote:
somewhat prejudiced perspective
i dont see how but alright... which part of my rant do you take issue with? do you deny the shah of Iran puppet was installed in 53? do you deny BP set it up? you deny that pakistan, eygpt,india etc already have nukes? do you deny that Israel get 1-2 billion USD in aid every year that is basically sent to them as military ordinance? please explain :|
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You haven't been paying very close attention to the news. Israel just finished developing their own bunker buster.
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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Oh come on. That's just being stupid. For those who don't know, he's referring to this passage: "I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan" I cannot respect the opinion of someone who makes such a blanket generalisation.
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ict558 wrote:
Would that were true.
It is. Your anti-US bias is showing.
ict558 wrote:
Achieving what, precisely? Don't you think the 'fallout' of such an action might be ever so slightly detrimental to Iran?
That's risible: it's quite a long way from Israel to Iran and they won't have high yield weapons. Besides, I really don't think they care if some of their own population die if they achieve what they have threatened to do.
ict558 wrote:
Or perhaps something more nuanced, like "This regime that is occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time." Rather as the regime in the USSR did, and as the regime in Iran will, given time.
Wow! Selective ignorance. Breathtaking. Iran has sworn to eradicate both Israel and her Jewish population: you can read it any way you want; doesn't change the truth.
ict558 wrote:
As are the USA and Russia. But, then, the NPT contains 'acceptable intransigence' clauses for those that wrote it.
Now you're trying to deflect. We're not talking about the US or Russia: we're talking about Iran.
ict558 wrote:
Did you copy and paste this from Stratfor - Political Analysts to the Stars?
I have to admnit that I had to look that up: never heard of it before so, no but I'm more than happy if they want to quote me.
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mark merrens wrote:
It is.
No, it is getting the public to accept that Iran is a threat to the USA.
mark merrens wrote:
Your anti-US bias is showing.
True. I am biased against the government of the USA in the way they are handling the Middle East and Pipelinestan. As for coercion: "If you’re not with us, you’re against us." Neutrality is not an option?
mark merrens wrote:
That's risible: it's quite a long way from Israel to Iran and they won't have high yield weapons.
Fallout - as in consequences. Hence the ''.
mark merrens wrote:
Besides, I really don't think they care if some of their own population die if they achieve what they have threatened to do.
Name me one government that is not prepared to sacrifice some its citizens to achieve its goals.
mark merrens wrote:
Wow! Selective ignorance.
Wow! Accurate translations are a bitch, aren't they? Perhaps you should check out the "Eradication of Israel", "Holocaust Denial", and other quotes, rather than just listening to those who tell you what you want to hear. (Don't worry, your innate bias will 'spin' them to give your required message. :-D )
mark merrens wrote:
we're talking about Iran
So am I. What is sauce for the goose ... Perhaps Iran should scrap the NPT and be like India and Pakistan. After all, the NPT was signed by a fiefdom of the USA, rather than the independent country that Iran is today.
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Oh come on. That's just being stupid. For those who don't know, he's referring to this passage: "I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan" I cannot respect the opinion of someone who makes such a blanket generalisation.
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"Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos
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mark merrens wrote:
somewhat prejudiced perspective
i dont see how but alright... which part of my rant do you take issue with? do you deny the shah of Iran puppet was installed in 53? do you deny BP set it up? you deny that pakistan, eygpt,india etc already have nukes? do you deny that Israel get 1-2 billion USD in aid every year that is basically sent to them as military ordinance? please explain :|
killabyte wrote:
which part of my rant do you take issue with?
Well all of it really: it is blindly anti-everything and utterly blinkered. I wouldn't even know where to begin with such idiotic and misinformed ravings.
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killabyte wrote:
which part of my rant do you take issue with?
Well all of it really: it is blindly anti-everything and utterly blinkered. I wouldn't even know where to begin with such idiotic and misinformed ravings.
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mark merrens wrote:
it is blindly anti-everything and utterly blinkered.
well if i can cite "facts" and all you do is discount them without any citation or supporting docs / ideas / evidence then i sumise that you are infact blindly anti-everthing and utterly blinkered to accepting the current situation around you.
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mark merrens wrote:
it is blindly anti-everything and utterly blinkered.
well if i can cite "facts" and all you do is discount them without any citation or supporting docs / ideas / evidence then i sumise that you are infact blindly anti-everthing and utterly blinkered to accepting the current situation around you.
You haven't cited any facts: you've just made statements.
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You haven't cited any facts: you've just made statements.
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