Shouldn't programmers know how to fix computers?
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No, just general experience and observations over the last 25 years...
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Well, that is just rude. That is a violation of lounge policies.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
ryanb31 wrote:
That is a violation of lounge policies.
So are programming questions, people still ignore that. Grow up and smell the coffee.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
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But what if he works on the assembly line at the auto plant? That changes things right? On his side, same situation still applies.
If it moves, compile it
Like I said elsewhere, that is different. If you have a programmer that only copies and pastes code from the internet then yes, your analogy would work. There is no intellect, just plug this into that.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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:thumbsup: Too true. However, the particular devs I am referring to have been developing LONGER than me. And I have been doing this for 15 years. Shouldn't you know something about a computer by that point. :)
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
You'd think, but they also probably don't have a drive to explorer and teach themselves new things. I have ZERO patients with these kinds of people. If you can't (won't) do this, why are you in a field where the only way to survive is to constantly teach yourself and learn new things??
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Dave Kreskowiak wrote:
I wouldn't trust half these !#)@@#&)-wits to write "Hello World" in Notepad, let alone do it in the code of their own choice!
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ryanb31 wrote:
That is a violation of lounge policies.
So are programming questions, people still ignore that. Grow up and smell the coffee.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
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Are you comparing programmers to assembly line workers? I have worked with some unintelligent programmers before but none that were simply assembly line workers. Wouldn't that be like someone who copies and pastes code off of the internet? How could they build an entire app if that is all they knew how to do?
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
A lot of coders are basically painting by numbers. They have no idea of the reasons for why they do things or, in some cases, how the application they work on operates. Code monkeys are cheap and you give them a speck and hope to elephant that they follow it.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
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mark merrens wrote:
I mean, if you're that smart, (and here I might be hanging myself :) ) have you worked out how to service your own car or replace the pistons? Can you plumb in a washing machine or build a fitted kitchen? No? Well, you're smart, couldn't you just research it?
But those cases are a significantly different, the computer is your tool and you should know how to maintain your own tools.
lewax00 wrote:
But those cases are a significantly different, the computer is your tool and you should know how to maintain your own tools.
I call BS! Can the delivery man service his truck? Can the carpenter repair his lath? Does Hamilton know how the car works? No, no and elephant no! Just because you know how to USE something does not require you to know HOW it works. I know full well how to plug a light in, but I certainly couldn't build the powe station that provides the electricity!
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
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Well, that is just rude. That is a violation of lounge policies.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
ryanb31 wrote:
that is just rude.
It was supposed to be rude.
ryanb31 wrote:
That is a violation of lounge policies.
Why yes, it is. You should feel lucky that I called you a boob. I don't call people names here much. I reserve my name calling to the special people.
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Looking up error codes from software is quite a bit different, at least to me, as getting the correct drivers. You are also assuming that I know how to get by the blue screen. As far as I knew/know when you see the blue screen you are hosed. I also couldn't assume that most errors come from drivers, and even if I did that still wouldn't account for the one's that didn't.
If it moves, compile it
It states pretty clearly what to do[^]. If you get a software error that points you towards a specific file, what are you going to do? My guess is google information on that file. This error screen names a specific file, google it and it will point you towards the proper piece of hardware, from there you can google drivers. It's almost identical to getting an error about a missing dll, and finding out what you need to install to get that dll.
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One of the good things about being poor is that I have to do something really, really stupid to make the tabloids. But I can fix my own computer!
Mike Hankey wrote:
But I can fix my own computer!
I do all my own repairs and diagnostics as well, but because I'm cheap, I'd rather spend 20 hours on a fix than pay some kid to pull out all the cards and say "I dunno" and charge me $75 to reformat my drive. I do repairs and charge other people though, I used to do it as favors but they keep coming back for more freebies every time their stupid kid visits a porn site. Charge them money and they return a little less often.
It was broke, so I fixed it.
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ryanb31 wrote:
that is just rude.
It was supposed to be rude.
ryanb31 wrote:
That is a violation of lounge policies.
Why yes, it is. You should feel lucky that I called you a boob. I don't call people names here much. I reserve my name calling to the special people.
"the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
"No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011) "It is the celestial scrotum of good luck!" - Nagy Vilmos (2011)I would actually feel lucky if I could meet you in person. Most of you hide behind the internet and pretend to be someone; whereas, if we were to meet in person and you actually got to know me, you would not say what you do. Don't worry though, it doesn't hurt my feelings. I think it is funny that you would spend the energy hating someone you do not even know. It's not my loss.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Does it drive anyone else bonkers when developers keep complaining about their windows PC blue screening? If you know how to program why can't you figure out how to fix your own computer, or at least start researching?
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
My computer is a tool that enables me to do my job, much like a nailgun is to a carpenter. If it doesn't work, I have someone fix it, or buy a new one. Nobody knows computers like in the beginning. It is too much to know, we have to specialize. That said, I would always TRY fixing anything myself.
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I would actually feel lucky if I could meet you in person. Most of you hide behind the internet and pretend to be someone; whereas, if we were to meet in person and you actually got to know me, you would not say what you do. Don't worry though, it doesn't hurt my feelings. I think it is funny that you would spend the energy hating someone you do not even know. It's not my loss.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
I never said I hated you. I just don't like you. I am sure that if I got to know you more we would be friends, if not, best buds. However, right now, I think you are a boob.
"the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
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ryanb31 wrote:
that is just rude.
It was supposed to be rude.
ryanb31 wrote:
That is a violation of lounge policies.
Why yes, it is. You should feel lucky that I called you a boob. I don't call people names here much. I reserve my name calling to the special people.
"the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
"No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011) "It is the celestial scrotum of good luck!" - Nagy Vilmos (2011)Slacker007 wrote:
I reserve my name calling to the special people.
:thumbsup: Luckily, I put down the Gin before I opened that! You win today's Vilmos Award for Hilarious Observations! Your prize is +5.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
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I can't think why, but you make me think of cactus... 20+ years ago when I came into the PROFESSION there was a lot of cross over between hardware and software. It made life an elephant pain. Today we don't have to worry what the media is, we use it. Imagine rewriting your code because a new disk has been installed. It sucked. Big chunks. Today, we let the hardware boys deal with their voodoo. Their job is to make sure it works. Our job is to make sure we use it well.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
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Mike Hankey wrote:
But I can fix my own computer!
I do all my own repairs and diagnostics as well, but because I'm cheap, I'd rather spend 20 hours on a fix than pay some kid to pull out all the cards and say "I dunno" and charge me $75 to reformat my drive. I do repairs and charge other people though, I used to do it as favors but they keep coming back for more freebies every time their stupid kid visits a porn site. Charge them money and they return a little less often.
It was broke, so I fixed it.
S Houghtelin wrote:
I do repairs and charge other people though, I used to do it as favors but they keep coming back for more freebies every time their stupid kid visits a porn site. Charge them money and they return a little less often.
I'm going to have to start doing that also, seems like they call you and want it fixed at your convenience as long as it's within the next hour. Now that I think about it a while back I got a call from a person I hadn't heard from in almost 3 years to come and fix his computer. At the time I had medical issues so I just didn't go which is very unusual for me.
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I never said I hated you. I just don't like you. I am sure that if I got to know you more we would be friends, if not, best buds. However, right now, I think you are a boob.
"the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
"No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011) "It is the celestial scrotum of good luck!" - Nagy Vilmos (2011)Actions speak louder than words. Your profile reads "I only trust those who tell me what I don't want to hear." I guess you do love me as much as you love boobs. I guess I should be flattered.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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lewax00 wrote:
But those cases are a significantly different, the computer is your tool and you should know how to maintain your own tools.
I call BS! Can the delivery man service his truck? Can the carpenter repair his lath? Does Hamilton know how the car works? No, no and elephant no! Just because you know how to USE something does not require you to know HOW it works. I know full well how to plug a light in, but I certainly couldn't build the powe station that provides the electricity!
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
Nagy Vilmos wrote:
Can the delivery man service his truck?
Can the carpenter repair his lath?
Does Hamilton know how the car works?All of these are significantly more difficult than plugging a board into a slot. Anyone who can figure out the children's toy where you put the round block in the round hole, the square block in the square hole, etc. has the skill necessary to change hardware in a computer. And a programmer should have the skill necessary to diagnose the error (i.e. google some error codes). And I'm sure all of them do some form of maintenance, the driver likely cleans out his own cabin, maybe fills up gas, etc. A dull tool will likely be sharpened, dirty ones cleaned, etc. Can you assemble a workstation (given a tower, monitor(s), keyboard, etc. can you attach them together)? Yes? Building a computer/changing hardware is identical to that. USB cable fits in the USB port? It goes there. PCIe card fits in the PCIe slot? It goes there. Building a power station is more like being given an empty board and some electronic components and building the motherboard/CPU/etc.
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My computer is a tool that enables me to do my job, much like a nailgun is to a carpenter. If it doesn't work, I have someone fix it, or buy a new one. Nobody knows computers like in the beginning. It is too much to know, we have to specialize. That said, I would always TRY fixing anything myself.
But your finished product runs on a computer. Not only is it a tool, it is also the delivery platform for your finished product therefore you need to know a lot more about it. The carpenter is not delivering or building a nail gun.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
