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Shouldn't programmers know how to fix computers?

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  • Z ZurdoDev

    Thanks, most of them are for personal reasons, not because of what I posted. I have many fans. Harold and Slacker are some of my biggest fans.

    There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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    NormDroid
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    I am a fan of no one, I choose to upvote and downvote dependent on the content of the post. There are some folk that do like the content of my post, my thought is fuck 'em ;)

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    • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

      I have to agree. I know which I would prefer to stare at for half an hour.

      Ideological Purity is no substitute for being able to stick your thumb down a pipe to stop the water

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      CPallini
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      How do you know? (I cannot decide between the left and the right) :rolleyes:

      Veni, vidi, vici.

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        How do you know? (I cannot decide between the left and the right) :rolleyes:

        Veni, vidi, vici.

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        OriginalGriff
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        If you move to Norfolk, you could have the one in the middle instead!

        Ideological Purity is no substitute for being able to stick your thumb down a pipe to stop the water

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        "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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        • Z ZurdoDev

          Does it drive anyone else bonkers when developers keep complaining about their windows PC blue screening? If you know how to program why can't you figure out how to fix your own computer, or at least start researching?

          There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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          Lost User
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          Because I can call the teenagers that work in our help desk and go for a coffee while they come to my desk and fix it?

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          • Z ZurdoDev

            Does it drive anyone else bonkers when developers keep complaining about their windows PC blue screening? If you know how to program why can't you figure out how to fix your own computer, or at least start researching?

            There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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            peterchen
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            Because fixing computers takes a fucking lot of time, we are to expensive for that.

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            • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

              If you move to Norfolk, you could have the one in the middle instead!

              Ideological Purity is no substitute for being able to stick your thumb down a pipe to stop the water

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              CPallini
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              Frascati[^] is nearer.

              Veni, vidi, vici.

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              • L Lost User

                Boobs are superior to ryanb31 in every way.

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                peterchen
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                Unless ryanb31 comes with an ample selection of the mentioned.

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                • S Slacker007

                  you ryanb31, are a boob.

                  "the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
                  "No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011) "It is the celestial scrotum of good luck!" - Nagy Vilmos (2011)

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                  Lost User
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                  There must be some past history between the 2 of you that I am not familiar with.

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                  • Z ZurdoDev

                    Does it drive anyone else bonkers when developers keep complaining about their windows PC blue screening? If you know how to program why can't you figure out how to fix your own computer, or at least start researching?

                    There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                    Lost User
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                    You would think someone who knows how to write the code behind a program would have a clue about what is happening in another program, that after all, WAS written by a programmer as well. I agree.

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                    • V Vark111

                      Fixed your title What drives me even more bonkers are developers who don't know how to put a shortcut to an app on the desktop. :doh: True story, that.

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                      SimulationofSai
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                      There was this one time when I created a desktop shortcut on a Windows server only to have users complain that there is no shortcut. Ofcourse, what I had not thought about was different people use different logins and I should have placed the shortcut at the appropriate location. :-O

                      SG Aham Brahmasmi!

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                        So you expect anyone who programs computers to also be a hardware technician? Most automobiles have many computerized systems in them. Do you expect the mechanic to be a computer technician? Do you expect them to be a materials engineer to determine why the brake pads have worn out?


                        Failure is not an option; it's the default selection.

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                        HuntrCkr
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                        Mark Nischalke wrote:

                        Most automobiles have many computerized systems in them. Do you expect the mechanic to be a computer technician?

                        Yes, as a matter of fact, I do. In at least so far that he knows how to run a diagnostic on those computerized system. If he can't do that, then he isn't qualified to work on my car, and he should stick to fixing VW's ;)

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                        Do you expect them to be a materials engineer to determine why the brake pads have worn out?

                        No, but I do expect him to be able to tell me that the brake pads are indeed worn out, not just simply "Uh, your car won't stop.... I don't know why!"

                        Mark Nischalke wrote:

                        So you expect anyone who programs computers to also be a hardware technician?

                        So, by definition, a programmer is someone who makes a computer system do his bidding. Whether it be via a provided API, or direct to metal, makes no difference. If something goes wrong, I expect them to be able to find the problem, even if it turns out that the problem lies in the API... ie, if a "programmer" ever came to me and said "It doesn't work... I don't know why!", he loses all credibility in my eyes In short, I don't expect the programmer to fix the hardware issue, or the driver issue either. Just to be able to point to it, and say "This is what is causing the problem... Can you help me fix it?"

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                        • Z ZurdoDev

                          That is because you are a user of the car. Not what I am talking about.

                          There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                          GuyThiebaut
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                          I think I know where you are coming from in terms of the ideal. When I studied for my degree back in 1988 we were taught computer science. I have come across people with recent IT degrees who do not understand the workings of a hard drive - now someone may be a DBA and think that they don't need to know about hard drive architecture but nothing could be further from the truth - as the way data is physically stored on the disk will have a huge impact on database performance. Now for the reality - I work with many programmers and find myself again and again explaining why global variables are not generally a good idea and why decreasing coupling is also a good idea for the long run(making maintenance so much easier) - however the number of times I get blank faces and people disagreeing has got to the point where I no longer get frustrated. I now just quietly repeat my point and then wait for a few weeks after which I see them grimace in frustration when someone has named a global variable with the same name they want to use in their local variable... A good programmer will have a thirst for information and will learn more than they immediately need to know to perform their job - so yes ideally programmers need to know about hardware too(the decision to recently build my own desktop was one of the best choices I ever made with regards to IT). I also just gave you a +5 in sympathy for how frustrating it can be sometimes when other people have a limited scope of interest :)

                          “That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”

                          ― Christopher Hitchens

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                          • Z ZurdoDev

                            But your finished product runs on a computer. Not only is it a tool, it is also the delivery platform for your finished product therefore you need to know a lot more about it. The carpenter is not delivering or building a nail gun.

                            There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                            Bergholt Stuttley Johnson
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                            So you know all the configurations of every pc the software will run on? you must work on apple

                            You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.

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                            • Z ZurdoDev

                              Does it drive anyone else bonkers when developers keep complaining about their windows PC blue screening? If you know how to program why can't you figure out how to fix your own computer, or at least start researching?

                              There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                              Bergholt Stuttley Johnson
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                              I have worked for companies that lock down the machine so tightly that even programmers havent got the access to do anything but report an issue. If my program was cause the BSOD then thats one thing, if it was something else then that something is corporate standard and I could be classed as unauthorised modification of company equipment, which in turn is a dismissable act in my T&C's. The company pays people to maintain the hardware, if I do it I am taking work from them and I know if a techie started writing software then I would be miffed.

                              You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.

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                              • C CPallini

                                Frascati[^] is nearer.

                                Veni, vidi, vici.

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                                OriginalGriff
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                                Doesn't that confuse (or at least disappoint) teenage boys a bit?

                                Ideological Purity is no substitute for being able to stick your thumb down a pipe to stop the water

                                "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
                                "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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                                • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                                  Doesn't that confuse (or at least disappoint) teenage boys a bit?

                                  Ideological Purity is no substitute for being able to stick your thumb down a pipe to stop the water

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                                  CPallini
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                                  Oh, no: just size matters!

                                  Veni, vidi, vici.

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                                  • Z ZurdoDev

                                    Does it drive anyone else bonkers when developers keep complaining about their windows PC blue screening? If you know how to program why can't you figure out how to fix your own computer, or at least start researching?

                                    There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                                    BobJanova
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                                    No. That's like saying 'if you know how to drive why can't you figure out how to fix your own car'. Some people are interested enough to research around the whole thing that they work with, but not everyone.

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                                    • S Slacker007

                                      you ryanb31, are a boob.

                                      "the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
                                      "No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011) "It is the celestial scrotum of good luck!" - Nagy Vilmos (2011)

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                                      Snorri Kristjansson
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                                      LOL - Agree :)

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                                      • L Lost User

                                        There must be some past history between the 2 of you that I am not familiar with.

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                                        Slacker007
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                                        sock puppet account?

                                        "the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
                                        "No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011) "It is the celestial scrotum of good luck!" - Nagy Vilmos (2011)

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                                        • Z ZurdoDev

                                          Does it drive anyone else bonkers when developers keep complaining about their windows PC blue screening? If you know how to program why can't you figure out how to fix your own computer, or at least start researching?

                                          There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                                          Stefan_Lang
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                                          Shouldn't drivers know how to fix their cars? (Since I was beat to that statement, replace this with: ) Shouldn't guests in the restaurant know how to cook?

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