This is just silly and seems hypocritical
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ahmed zahmed wrote:
Speech is still speech, and the atheists want protection of theirs and prevention of others.
I am rather certain that the supreme court, the framers of the US constitution and many current religious leaders would disagree with your attempt to bundle religion and speech into the same thing.
Speech entails more than using words coming out of your mouth and from pen on a piece of paper. Speech also actions. Flag burning is speech. Protesting is speech. Civil disobedience is speech. All constitutionally protected forms of speech. Religion is all about words coming from my mouth, my pen and it is all about my actions and how I comport myself with other people. All forms of speech. Speech that you want to prevent.
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I hope you meant "your" in the 2nd person, and even then, bigotry is probably the wrong word for what you are trying to express.
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No I wasn't claiming "you" are bigoted, I have no evidence of that.
wizardzz wrote:
wrong word for what you are trying to express.
Maybe, I'm not as articulate as I'd like to be.
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ahmed zahmed wrote:
My home is also the public sphere in which I reside
No it isn't. In my home I have the right to defecate any place that I feel like. I do not have that right outside my home.
ahmed zahmed wrote:
But atheists want to prevent all public expressions of religion.
You are wrong. Rights are not absolute - your rights only extend so far as they do not infringe on my rights. Thus you can no more erect a 1000 ft statue festoned with laser of your god on the court house steps than you can on your own property because such a monstrosity would infringe on numerous others.
jschell wrote:
No it isn't.
The Supremes disagree. I can certainly carry on religious activities anywhere I like in public. It may require a permit in some cases, just like have a demonstration may require a permit, but it's allowed.
jschell wrote:
right to defecate
Religious expression is not defecation.
jschell wrote:
You are wrong.
No, I'm correct. That is the stated goals of most atheist organizations: to remove religion from the public sphere and inhibit the free speech rights of a significant portion of the population.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braun -
ahmed zahmed wrote:
My home is also the public sphere in which I reside
No it isn't. In my home I have the right to defecate any place that I feel like. I do not have that right outside my home.
ahmed zahmed wrote:
But atheists want to prevent all public expressions of religion.
You are wrong. Rights are not absolute - your rights only extend so far as they do not infringe on my rights. Thus you can no more erect a 1000 ft statue festoned with laser of your god on the court house steps than you can on your own property because such a monstrosity would infringe on numerous others.
jschell wrote:
In my home I have the right to defecate any place that I feel like.
I do not have that right outside my home.Anymore... those lucky pioneers and natives enjoyed outdoor shatting. BTW, you are trying to explain the same points I was, though you are being a little more direct and confrontational, you are being much more humorous about it. Your thread is killing me. :laugh: :laugh:
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mark merrens wrote:
I don't recall preaching.
mark merrens wrote:
I have no interest in your personal insanity./blockquote> Just saying. :-D
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That is not preaching that is me telling you to fock off and leave me alone!
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I doubt it would have made any difference.
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mark merrens wrote:
I doubt it would have made any difference.
No, it wouldn't have. Hence the :) .
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Sorry: missed it: knackered, long day.
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It is hypocritical. It is hard to know exactly what atheists do believe. According to Dictionary.com[^] an atheist is someone "who denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings." So, everyone atheist I have ever met is hypocritical because they all believe in a supreme being. They just do not believe in the God that religions preach. According to the article the organization is http://www.floridahumanist.org/index.htm[^]. I didn't look too hard but I didn't see their website claim that they were atheist so for all we know it may just be poor journalism labeling them incorrectly.
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ryanb31 wrote:
So, everyone atheist I have ever met is hypocritical because they all believe in a supreme being.
Ergo, every 'atheist' you ever met did not know the meaning of the word atheist. I would consider that most unlikely, but perhaps in American everyday usage 'atheist' means 'not religious'. I don't believe in gods. There, now you've 'met' one.
Use carrots and sticks to force the little fish into the big tent - Anon
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It is hypocritical. It is hard to know exactly what atheists do believe. According to Dictionary.com[^] an atheist is someone "who denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings." So, everyone atheist I have ever met is hypocritical because they all believe in a supreme being. They just do not believe in the God that religions preach. According to the article the organization is http://www.floridahumanist.org/index.htm[^]. I didn't look too hard but I didn't see their website claim that they were atheist so for all we know it may just be poor journalism labeling them incorrectly.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
Goodness this discussion still going on? Sure people are entitled to have a belief and correct me if I'm wrong, but to my mind an atheist is somebody that simply does not believe in god, end of story.
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ryanb31 wrote:
So, everyone atheist I have ever met is hypocritical because they all believe in a supreme being.
Ergo, every 'atheist' you ever met did not know the meaning of the word atheist. I would consider that most unlikely, but perhaps in American everyday usage 'atheist' means 'not religious'. I don't believe in gods. There, now you've 'met' one.
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The UK is often referred to as a godless country so I can believe the definition is more accurate there. So, you do not believe in any supreme being? What do you believe in?
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Goodness this discussion still going on? Sure people are entitled to have a belief and correct me if I'm wrong, but to my mind an atheist is somebody that simply does not believe in god, end of story.
It is someone who does not believe in a supreme being. My point was all atheists I have met in person claimed to be atheist because they did not believe in the Christian God; but they did believe in a supreme being, which means they actually were not atheists.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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It is someone who does not believe in a supreme being. My point was all atheists I have met in person claimed to be atheist because they did not believe in the Christian God; but they did believe in a supreme being, which means they actually were not atheists.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
Not sure about a Christian God, I have always assumed if there is one they would be one and the same, all derived from past folklore history. But if nothing else, it appears the existence or non existence of God as a subject creates lively debate in CP Soapbox. :)
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Evangelists - piss me off big time. Leave me alone, I do not want to join your church or study your silly book so do not accost me in the street (happened 3 times yesterday - told the last one I was a satanist - the look on his face was priceless). That's what I meant: keep your beliefs to yourself.
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The UK is often referred to as a godless country so I can believe the definition is more accurate there. So, you do not believe in any supreme being? What do you believe in?
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
ryanb31 wrote:
The UK is often referred to as a godless country
No, a majority believe in a supreme being but, in the main, are not religious (i.e., do not attend a place of worship).
ryanb31 wrote:
so I can believe the definition is more accurate there.
Well, I have never met an atheist who believed in a supreme being. Again, if your experience of Americans who call themselves atheists is that they all believe in a supreme being, you had better teach them the meaning of the word atheist, and put them right. BTW: I have assumed the meaning of godless to be 'atheistic' in this context.
ryanb31 wrote:
What do you believe in?
Put quite simply, me.
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The UK is often referred to as a godless country so I can believe the definition is more accurate there. So, you do not believe in any supreme being? What do you believe in?
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
ryanb31 wrote:
The UK is often referred to as a godless country so I can believe the definition is more accurate there.
Unlikely. The UK is primarily a Christian country, based on figures out of the last census. In the 2001 census, 71% of census respondents listed their religion as Christian. The 2011 census did not see a significant shift from this figure.
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ryanb31 wrote:
The UK is often referred to as a godless country
No, a majority believe in a supreme being but, in the main, are not religious (i.e., do not attend a place of worship).
ryanb31 wrote:
so I can believe the definition is more accurate there.
Well, I have never met an atheist who believed in a supreme being. Again, if your experience of Americans who call themselves atheists is that they all believe in a supreme being, you had better teach them the meaning of the word atheist, and put them right. BTW: I have assumed the meaning of godless to be 'atheistic' in this context.
ryanb31 wrote:
What do you believe in?
Put quite simply, me.
Use carrots and sticks to force the little fish into the big tent - Anon
I am sharing the opinion of many Americans, and many of us do believe England is a godless country. Could be wrong. I don't think we are alone though. Quick google search[^] Lots of the results back it up. Again, I am not making a statement of fact, just a perception of the UK.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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It is someone who does not believe in a supreme being. My point was all atheists I have met in person claimed to be atheist because they did not believe in the Christian God; but they did believe in a supreme being, which means they actually were not atheists.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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So what exactly did they believe in? Technically speaking I'd fall into atheist, but I don't really care enough to term myself such in most cases. Yet I certainly don't have any worship patterns or belief in a supreme being of any kind.
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So what exactly did they believe in?
Who knows. They actually didn't even know. They believed there had to be a supreme being who created all things but they did not have any idea what he/she/it was like.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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I am sharing the opinion of many Americans, and many of us do believe England is a godless country. Could be wrong. I don't think we are alone though. Quick google search[^] Lots of the results back it up. Again, I am not making a statement of fact, just a perception of the UK.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
ryanb31 wrote:
I am sharing the opinion of many Americans, and many of us do believe England is a godless country.
So what? I live here and know that it isn't.
ryanb31 wrote:
Lots of the results back it up.
Interesting how few of the results are relevant to the search argument (various musical groups, book titles, dictionary definitions, and other random occurrences of England, Godless, and Country). Those that are relevant are largely Americans expressing their opinion.
ryanb31 wrote:
Again, I am not making a statement of fact, just a perception of the UK.
And so... irrelevant then?
Use carrots and sticks to force the little fish into the big tent - Anon
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ryanb31 wrote:
I am sharing the opinion of many Americans, and many of us do believe England is a godless country.
So what? I live here and know that it isn't.
ryanb31 wrote:
Lots of the results back it up.
Interesting how few of the results are relevant to the search argument (various musical groups, book titles, dictionary definitions, and other random occurrences of England, Godless, and Country). Those that are relevant are largely Americans expressing their opinion.
ryanb31 wrote:
Again, I am not making a statement of fact, just a perception of the UK.
And so... irrelevant then?
Use carrots and sticks to force the little fish into the big tent - Anon
As I have stated each time, it is the opinion. Your opinion is that we are wrong. Opinion is not irrelevant. You are the one who pointed out that America has a different definition for atheist and I pointed out how and why that is likely true. You seem defensive about this. Don't you claim to be atheist?
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