This is just silly and seems hypocritical
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Given how your godless view is much like how many countries outside the US consider it to be a nation full of warmongering imperialists I think it's pretty easy to see how it could get people riled up. And I find it really funny to note that england still has a state sponsored religion, where the US doesn't, and most major Christian factions in the US descend from that state sponsored religion. Yet england is godless.
That is funny. Although you could debate "most major Christian factions in the US descend from that state sponsored religion." Most were started because they disagreed with that religion. Once a normal person finally read the Bible they realized that religion was way off. Martin Luther and others might disagree with descending but rather they would say dissenting.
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Atheists use ‘unholy water’ to ‘unbless’ Florida highway[^] Since atheists don't believe in God or the Divine nor in the Holy or in Blessings, how can they believe in anything "unholy" or in "unblessing"? If you are "undoing" something doesn't that mean you give credence to the "doing" of a thing? Just a thought. I don't really care one way or the other. Just seems contradictory and hypocritical to me for an atheist to "undo" anything that a religionist "does".
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You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von BraunI'd file it more under PR stunt. Though what triggered it stuns the snot out of me:
some psychos said:
“It’s objective is to place Holy Angels at all roads that lead into or out of Polk County,” the group wrote. “A strip of anointed oil has been placed over all lanes of highway at the county line and a prayer has been given at each location asking God to have angels inspect every vehicle that travels into or out of this county and to bring under conviction to those who seek evil and we asked God to bring them to a state of submission and repentance.” “If they will not submit to God’s way of living, then the prayer is to have them incarcerated or removed from the county.”
Personally I'd be a tad miffed if someone pulled something like that in my county too. And while I mostly know of this particular county due to police chase videos, I've heard of things like this before. Typically when an atheist group does something like this it's more to remind other less vocal atheists that they aren't alone in the area, even if it is particularly hostile to their beliefs. Or in this case, hostile to any beliefs other than Christianity. My guess the whole false charges filed against the head of the organization that did this probably didn't help.
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For Pete's sake, what is your deal?
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Empirical: provable or verifiable by experience or experiment.
I have been stating over and over, and hopefully for the last time, that it is my experience that has shown the UK to be godless. The only way to prove my experience is to get sworn notarized testimonies from everyone I have ever heard say that. Cut me some slack. At least give me a few days to gather the paperwork. Where should I send it to?
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
So what experience have you got to show this? Is your experience based on your own personal interactions with a large number of people from the UK, or are you just getting your material from the media? I am genuinely curious.
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That is funny. Although you could debate "most major Christian factions in the US descend from that state sponsored religion." Most were started because they disagreed with that religion. Once a normal person finally read the Bible they realized that religion was way off. Martin Luther and others might disagree with descending but rather they would say dissenting.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
And you get a fun debate out of the deal
ryanb31 wrote:
Most were started because they disagreed with that religion. Once a normal person finally read the Bible they realized that religion was way off. Martin Luther and others might disagree with descending but rather they would say dissenting.
I mostly say descend as they broke off from it and evolved from there. Much of the base belief remains the same even after they broke from the old church. Not to down play what they've done since, but I've always found it rather difficult to believe that one can manage to get closer to an otherwise unknowable god through what looks distinctively like politicking to me. Though most of my interest in religion and theology are related to how they tie into politics, so it may be that coloring my views a bit.
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If you believe an act has no meaning when performed by someone else, then it is hypocritical to perform the same act to "undo" the one performed by the first. If the first act has no meaning and the atheist believes he and nobody else has such power to bless something, then it is hypocritical to perform said powerless act to undo the powerless act of the first. The atheist is "pretending" to beliefs he does not hold to be true. Of course, if this were an act making fun of black people or jews or women it would be seen for the prejudiced bigotry that it really is. In addition, it is hypocritical because the atheists are being intolerant of others beliefs and views when they demand tolerance and acceptance of their own.
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You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von BraunYou did catch the bit where these people wanted you removed from the county or incarcerated if you disagree with them right? It had a political meaning that is pretty hard to miss, even if it was supposedly a religious observance of some kind. As such a similarly petty PR stunt is pulled in response to it. And as a note, the majority of instances where atheists push for the removal of religious speech is when someone is doing so with government authority behind it. If you as Ahmed Zahmed want to say something about your beliefs, I've got no issue with it. If you were a school principle, sat down all the kids in your school and told them they'd all burn in hell if they didn't believe what you told them, then I'd be right pissed. If you decide to take some mass produced religious monument of no historical significance and put it on government property, then I've got another problem. Put it in your own yard? No real issue, good luck mowing around it. Beyond that kind of thing you always have the militant idiots who actually do aspire to the kind of thing you blame the lot of us for, but I've cracked more than one of them upside the head with whatever was handy to get them to shut up long enough to explain the concept of freedom of religion to them. But I'm meaner to people who nominally agree with me and are idiots than folks I don't share much with.
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Now that I bothered to read the article...
ahmed zahmed wrote:
Only to those who already agree with such bigotry
First as I already noted - the US specifically allows free speech. Second the content of the previous religious ceremony was specifically meant to target non-believers. As such that ceremony is offensive.
ahmed zahmed wrote:
Which makes them petty and stupid.
I am guessing that you are not aware of the very real legal (actually illegal) actions that the sheriff is taking in the county in an attempt to surpress, seemingly, any non-christian ideology at any level. That is petty, stupid and hopefully criminal.
jschell wrote:
First as I already noted - the US specifically allows free speech.
Certainly. All speech, including that of a religious (or anti-religious) nature. As such, that doesn't mean the speech can't be called what it is: bigotry.
jschell wrote:
I am guessing that you are not aware of the very real legal (actually illegal) actions that the sheriff is taking in the county in an attempt to surpress, seemingly, any non-christian ideology at any level.
No! I was certainly not aware of that. I'd kick that guy in the head if I knew that. That is indeed stupid.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
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You did catch the bit where these people wanted you removed from the county or incarcerated if you disagree with them right? It had a political meaning that is pretty hard to miss, even if it was supposedly a religious observance of some kind. As such a similarly petty PR stunt is pulled in response to it. And as a note, the majority of instances where atheists push for the removal of religious speech is when someone is doing so with government authority behind it. If you as Ahmed Zahmed want to say something about your beliefs, I've got no issue with it. If you were a school principle, sat down all the kids in your school and told them they'd all burn in hell if they didn't believe what you told them, then I'd be right pissed. If you decide to take some mass produced religious monument of no historical significance and put it on government property, then I've got another problem. Put it in your own yard? No real issue, good luck mowing around it. Beyond that kind of thing you always have the militant idiots who actually do aspire to the kind of thing you blame the lot of us for, but I've cracked more than one of them upside the head with whatever was handy to get them to shut up long enough to explain the concept of freedom of religion to them. But I'm meaner to people who nominally agree with me and are idiots than folks I don't share much with.
Yes, I remember reading that, but it's a "blessing" asking God to cause it to happen. Not a gov't directive. As for what the rest of what you say, I'm in perfect agreement. I agree that the gov't can't give even the appearance of authority to some religious whatnot, and I don't want it to either. That for me is also part of religious freedom.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braun -
Atheists use ‘unholy water’ to ‘unbless’ Florida highway[^] Since atheists don't believe in God or the Divine nor in the Holy or in Blessings, how can they believe in anything "unholy" or in "unblessing"? If you are "undoing" something doesn't that mean you give credence to the "doing" of a thing? Just a thought. I don't really care one way or the other. Just seems contradictory and hypocritical to me for an atheist to "undo" anything that a religionist "does".
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von BraunThis people really don't know what they are doing. To be real atheists you must have to be understand the concept of religion.
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That was the aim. All this talk of religion is heavy.
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All this talk of religion is heavy.
I'm a few days late on this thread, and just looking for a place to jump in feet first. Awwww, forget it ;P
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