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  • C Chris Losinger

    "The reason I think it's important to start is because you have to put something in place and get knowledge about it and experience with it." That's Rumsfeld's rationalization as to why the US should spend over $17.5 billion dollars on missile defense. Can anyone think of anything else that was deemed "unproven science"? Was $17.5B spent on it? (not counting trickle-down economics and Reagan's astrologer) -c


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    It is not about science it is about strategic military planning. I'm not strongly in favor of a missle defense system, but considering how much money we waste on social welfare crap, 17.5 billion seems like a modest investment. It would be better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it. Chris Losinger wrote: not counting trickle-down economics trickle-down == capitalism - proven beyond any scientific/economic doubt. Only the Marxists of the world fail to understand that. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle

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      It is not about science it is about strategic military planning. I'm not strongly in favor of a missle defense system, but considering how much money we waste on social welfare crap, 17.5 billion seems like a modest investment. It would be better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it. Chris Losinger wrote: not counting trickle-down economics trickle-down == capitalism - proven beyond any scientific/economic doubt. Only the Marxists of the world fail to understand that. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle

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      Stan Shannon wrote: waste on social welfare crap yeah. to hell with living in a nice country. let's get to killing!


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        Stan Shannon wrote: waste on social welfare crap yeah. to hell with living in a nice country. let's get to killing!


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        Any one that wants to live in a nice country can always move to Canada. But you had better hurry before their economy collapses. In the long run nice is a lot more expensive than mean. The U.S. is mean, always has been, and, I hope, always will be. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle

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          Any one that wants to live in a nice country can always move to Canada. But you had better hurry before their economy collapses. In the long run nice is a lot more expensive than mean. The U.S. is mean, always has been, and, I hope, always will be. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle

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          Stan Shannon wrote: nice is a lot more expensive than mean prove it -c


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            It is not about science it is about strategic military planning. I'm not strongly in favor of a missle defense system, but considering how much money we waste on social welfare crap, 17.5 billion seems like a modest investment. It would be better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it. Chris Losinger wrote: not counting trickle-down economics trickle-down == capitalism - proven beyond any scientific/economic doubt. Only the Marxists of the world fail to understand that. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle

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            Stan Shannon wrote: trickle-down == capitalism - proven beyond any scientific/economic doubt. yeah. i'm not even sure what you think you're trying to say with that. -c


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              Stan Shannon wrote: trickle-down == capitalism - proven beyond any scientific/economic doubt. yeah. i'm not even sure what you think you're trying to say with that. -c


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              what the left refers to as "trickle-down" economics is nothing more than old fashioned capitalism. Which has worked every time it has been tried. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle

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                Stan Shannon wrote: nice is a lot more expensive than mean prove it -c


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                Chris Losinger wrote: prove it Well, Canada is cannabalizing their military to pay for being nice with no clue as to how they are going to continue to pay for it once the military is gone. On the other hand, we have money to spare to build a missle defense system that might never be used. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle

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                  what the left refers to as "trickle-down" economics is nothing more than old fashioned capitalism. Which has worked every time it has been tried. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle

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                  Stan Shannon wrote: Which has worked every time it has been tried. it worked in tripling the debt, sure.


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                    Chris Losinger wrote: prove it Well, Canada is cannabalizing their military to pay for being nice with no clue as to how they are going to continue to pay for it once the military is gone. On the other hand, we have money to spare to build a missle defense system that might never be used. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle

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                    Stan Shannon wrote: Canada is cannabalizing their military anecdotal. doens't prove your statement. Stan Shannon wrote: we have money to spare to build a missle defense system that might never be used. do you honestly believe that this the best use of that "spare" money? -c


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                      Stan Shannon wrote: Which has worked every time it has been tried. it worked in tripling the debt, sure.


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                      Nope, trying to be nice is what tripled the debt. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle

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                        Stan Shannon wrote: Canada is cannabalizing their military anecdotal. doens't prove your statement. Stan Shannon wrote: we have money to spare to build a missle defense system that might never be used. do you honestly believe that this the best use of that "spare" money? -c


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                        Chris Losinger wrote: anecdotal. doens't prove your statement. It absolutely does prove that you can never get ahead of social welfare spending. The value of any commodity or service is dependent upon how much money there is in the economy to pay for it. When the government artificially makes more money available for it, it simply becomes that much more valuable and therefore that much more expensive. Thus, the government has to spend even more on it. This is a vicious cycle that always leads to the same place - nowhere. Chris Losinger wrote: do you honestly believe that this the best use of that "spare" money? Absolutely not. The best use would be to leave circulating freely in the economy - untaxed, to be used for productive purposes. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle

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                          Chris Losinger wrote: anecdotal. doens't prove your statement. It absolutely does prove that you can never get ahead of social welfare spending. The value of any commodity or service is dependent upon how much money there is in the economy to pay for it. When the government artificially makes more money available for it, it simply becomes that much more valuable and therefore that much more expensive. Thus, the government has to spend even more on it. This is a vicious cycle that always leads to the same place - nowhere. Chris Losinger wrote: do you honestly believe that this the best use of that "spare" money? Absolutely not. The best use would be to leave circulating freely in the economy - untaxed, to be used for productive purposes. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle

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                          Stan Shannon wrote: It absolutely does prove no it doesn't. an anecdote does not prove anything. Stan Shannon wrote: The best use would be to leave circulating freely in the economy - untaxed, to be used for productive purposes. so why the hell are you arguing with me ?


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                            Stan Shannon wrote: It absolutely does prove no it doesn't. an anecdote does not prove anything. Stan Shannon wrote: The best use would be to leave circulating freely in the economy - untaxed, to be used for productive purposes. so why the hell are you arguing with me ?


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                            Because you're a fun guy to argue with, and it keeps me occupied mentally while I'm wrapping presents. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle

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                              Because you're a fun guy to argue with, and it keeps me occupied mentally while I'm wrapping presents. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle

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                              • S Stan Shannon

                                Nope, trying to be nice is what tripled the debt. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle

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                                Stan Shannon wrote: trying to be nice is what tripled the debt. So act like an asshole, is that your conclusion?


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                                  Stan Shannon wrote: trying to be nice is what tripled the debt. So act like an asshole, is that your conclusion?


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                                  KaЯl wrote: So act like an asshole, is that your conclusion? Isn't "asshole" French for "American"? If not, we need to try harder. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle

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                                    KaЯl wrote: So act like an asshole, is that your conclusion? Isn't "asshole" French for "American"? If not, we need to try harder. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle

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                                    Try harder :) The one who fires people to have a raise of his shares is IMO acting like an asshole, that was my point Pure capitalism is a synonym for jungle, where only the best adapted survive. I would agree with this principle if we were not talking about human beings.


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                                      Try harder :) The one who fires people to have a raise of his shares is IMO acting like an asshole, that was my point Pure capitalism is a synonym for jungle, where only the best adapted survive. I would agree with this principle if we were not talking about human beings.


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                                      I'm an American - give me the jungle. I would rather depend on myself in a jungle than to depend on the government to provide for me. :rose: "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle

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                                        Try harder :) The one who fires people to have a raise of his shares is IMO acting like an asshole, that was my point Pure capitalism is a synonym for jungle, where only the best adapted survive. I would agree with this principle if we were not talking about human beings.


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                                        KaЯl wrote: Pure capitalism is a synonym for jungle, where only the best adapted survive. I would agree with this principle if we were not talking about human beings. Interestingly, this is one of several reasons why i do not consider humans to be animals...

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