Hospital won't hire obese
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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/04/05/eeoc-texas-hospital-that-bars-obese-workers-not-necessarily-discriminatory[^] So the hospital wants staff to project a positive, professional image. This is wrong how? Oh, right, it infringes on ones right to be an obese slob and blame others for overeating and not exercising and complain about the cost of healthcare for treating the preventable diseases that come from being an inactive, overweight. And too answer some questions. No obesity is not a disease. There are diseases that cause weight gain but what causes obesity is eating the triple-decker burger, large fries and milkshake then laying on the double-wide sofa to watch TV rather than walking for a mile or two.
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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/04/05/eeoc-texas-hospital-that-bars-obese-workers-not-necessarily-discriminatory[^] So the hospital wants staff to project a positive, professional image. This is wrong how? Oh, right, it infringes on ones right to be an obese slob and blame others for overeating and not exercising and complain about the cost of healthcare for treating the preventable diseases that come from being an inactive, overweight. And too answer some questions. No obesity is not a disease. There are diseases that cause weight gain but what causes obesity is eating the triple-decker burger, large fries and milkshake then laying on the double-wide sofa to watch TV rather than walking for a mile or two.
Failure is not an option; it's the default selection.
I think the phrasing was a bit harsh , but I agree that it's not illegal/wrong. I also agree obesity is not a disease. -edit- I also re-read the article to find that they are not restricting anyone over weight. This is over a BMI of 35. That is well within reason, especially given the education you recieve on your way to this career. -end- OT: Anton Lavey has some interesting takes on weight, and weight vs. pride.
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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/04/05/eeoc-texas-hospital-that-bars-obese-workers-not-necessarily-discriminatory[^] So the hospital wants staff to project a positive, professional image. This is wrong how? Oh, right, it infringes on ones right to be an obese slob and blame others for overeating and not exercising and complain about the cost of healthcare for treating the preventable diseases that come from being an inactive, overweight. And too answer some questions. No obesity is not a disease. There are diseases that cause weight gain but what causes obesity is eating the triple-decker burger, large fries and milkshake then laying on the double-wide sofa to watch TV rather than walking for a mile or two.
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I think the phrasing was a bit harsh , but I agree that it's not illegal/wrong. I also agree obesity is not a disease. -edit- I also re-read the article to find that they are not restricting anyone over weight. This is over a BMI of 35. That is well within reason, especially given the education you recieve on your way to this career. -end- OT: Anton Lavey has some interesting takes on weight, and weight vs. pride.
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loctrice wrote:
Anton Lavey has some interesting takes on weight, and weight vs. pride.
He has some interesting takes on religion too. Did you ever read his famous book, what was it called... ;p
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I think the phrasing was a bit harsh , but I agree that it's not illegal/wrong. I also agree obesity is not a disease. -edit- I also re-read the article to find that they are not restricting anyone over weight. This is over a BMI of 35. That is well within reason, especially given the education you recieve on your way to this career. -end- OT: Anton Lavey has some interesting takes on weight, and weight vs. pride.
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loctrice wrote:
I also agree obesity is not a disease.
Disease is a clinical term which in some cases does include obesity. Clinical terms are not always as well defined as some think they may be - for instance obesity in some societies is seen as a sign of wealth, however nowadays obesity is generally understood to be a disease. I think what you may be getting at is that disease is generally seen as being something one has no control over(one is a 'victim' of disease) and obesity is generally seen as something people do have control over. One thing I will say is that overweight people are remarkably easy target to scoff at and make fun of, it also requires little imagination - wouldn't it be better to take out one's indignation on something a little bit more worthy of it?
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loctrice wrote:
Anton Lavey has some interesting takes on weight, and weight vs. pride.
He has some interesting takes on religion too. Did you ever read his famous book, what was it called... ;p
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loctrice wrote:
I also agree obesity is not a disease.
Disease is a clinical term which in some cases does include obesity. Clinical terms are not always as well defined as some think they may be - for instance obesity in some societies is seen as a sign of wealth, however nowadays obesity is generally understood to be a disease. I think what you may be getting at is that disease is generally seen as being something one has no control over(one is a 'victim' of disease) and obesity is generally seen as something people do have control over. One thing I will say is that overweight people are remarkably easy target to scoff at and make fun of, it also requires little imagination - wouldn't it be better to take out one's indignation on something a little bit more worthy of it?
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GuyThiebaut wrote:
One thing I will say is that overweight people are remarkably easy target to scoff at and make fun of, it also requires little imagination - wouldn't it be better to take out one's indignation on something a little bit more worthy of it?
I used to be fat. I was going to say "I don't target 'them'" , but that would require classing fat people as something different, which I don't believe they are. I have nothing against fat people. I don't target "them". I have nothing to prove, and no desire to mock them. I agree'd with the general idea the OP had, not the harsh comments.
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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/04/05/eeoc-texas-hospital-that-bars-obese-workers-not-necessarily-discriminatory[^] So the hospital wants staff to project a positive, professional image. This is wrong how? Oh, right, it infringes on ones right to be an obese slob and blame others for overeating and not exercising and complain about the cost of healthcare for treating the preventable diseases that come from being an inactive, overweight. And too answer some questions. No obesity is not a disease. There are diseases that cause weight gain but what causes obesity is eating the triple-decker burger, large fries and milkshake then laying on the double-wide sofa to watch TV rather than walking for a mile or two.
Failure is not an option; it's the default selection.
Mark Nischalke wrote:
and blame others for overeating and not exercising
This is apparently not a requirement for rejection
Mark Nischalke wrote:
overeating and not exercising
May I ask what species you are from? Note that I'm not even arguing about whether or not a company should be allowed to reject slobs - for me it's enough to see your ... umm.... slightly outdated model of human biology and your rather simplistic assumption to be thoroughly disappointed. To answer the obvious question: No, they wouldn't reject me on my BMI.
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I think the phrasing was a bit harsh , but I agree that it's not illegal/wrong. I also agree obesity is not a disease. -edit- I also re-read the article to find that they are not restricting anyone over weight. This is over a BMI of 35. That is well within reason, especially given the education you recieve on your way to this career. -end- OT: Anton Lavey has some interesting takes on weight, and weight vs. pride.
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loctrice wrote:
I also agree obesity is not a disease.
Not in 100% of cases, no, but when it is not an actual clinical disease it is usually a symptom of something that is, if not a disease, most assuredly an illness. God forbid that you should ever be a sufferer.
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loctrice wrote:
I also agree obesity is not a disease.
Disease is a clinical term which in some cases does include obesity. Clinical terms are not always as well defined as some think they may be - for instance obesity in some societies is seen as a sign of wealth, however nowadays obesity is generally understood to be a disease. I think what you may be getting at is that disease is generally seen as being something one has no control over(one is a 'victim' of disease) and obesity is generally seen as something people do have control over. One thing I will say is that overweight people are remarkably easy target to scoff at and make fun of, it also requires little imagination - wouldn't it be better to take out one's indignation on something a little bit more worthy of it?
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GuyThiebaut wrote:
wouldn't it be better to take out one's indignation on something a little bit more worthy of it?
Yes, but no matter how slow I talk the stupid people just don't get it. ;P
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loctrice wrote:
I also agree obesity is not a disease.
Not in 100% of cases, no, but when it is not an actual clinical disease it is usually a symptom of something that is, if not a disease, most assuredly an illness. God forbid that you should ever be a sufferer.
Henry Minute Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is. Cogito ergo thumb - Sucking my thumb helps me to think.
I'm aware that weight gain can be a symptom of something else. I've had it happen to me over medication. Thankfully I told my doctor my concerns after being on it for a while and he found a safe medication that did not include weight gain. No, I was not fat as a cause of something else. My case, as I've mentioned else where was just out of ignorance. I didn't know what to eat, didn't understand real portioning, etc..
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Mark Nischalke wrote:
and blame others for overeating and not exercising
This is apparently not a requirement for rejection
Mark Nischalke wrote:
overeating and not exercising
May I ask what species you are from? Note that I'm not even arguing about whether or not a company should be allowed to reject slobs - for me it's enough to see your ... umm.... slightly outdated model of human biology and your rather simplistic assumption to be thoroughly disappointed. To answer the obvious question: No, they wouldn't reject me on my BMI.
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outdated model of human biology
Since evolution happens over millions of years and the obesity epidemic is very, very recent I don't see the how it is outdated to think humans were not meant to be super-sized.
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GuyThiebaut wrote:
One thing I will say is that overweight people are remarkably easy target to scoff at and make fun of, it also requires little imagination - wouldn't it be better to take out one's indignation on something a little bit more worthy of it?
I used to be fat. I was going to say "I don't target 'them'" , but that would require classing fat people as something different, which I don't believe they are. I have nothing against fat people. I don't target "them". I have nothing to prove, and no desire to mock them. I agree'd with the general idea the OP had, not the harsh comments.
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I used to be very lean - I would run 5 miles a day, then after an injury took to swimming, I got a shoulder injury swimming(swimming a mile+ non-stop freestyle a day was overdoing it a bit...). I then went to the gym and the coach at the gym suggested I lift weights that were way too heavy for me, as a consequence I injured my right arm and was off any exercise, that involved arms, for 6 months. So I took up cycling to work. Last year I was knocked off my bike, and injured, by a driver(Cambridge police are a bunch of numpties and I am not into suing people...) and have not been on the bike since. What I am getting at is that I am overweight however when I look at my history of injury and exercise it is actually quite understandable as to why I may be overweight together with my eating habits which suited someone who exercises a lot. So yes I could cut down on the amount I eat and am currently working out on an exercise bike - the point I want to make is from my own experience all obesity implies is just that the person is overweight, drawing conclusions about them being lazy etc is a little bit too simple... And I know that is not what you were doing, I just wanted to relate my own struggle with weight and how I went from being very lean to being overweight largely through injury :)
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I used to be very lean - I would run 5 miles a day, then after an injury took to swimming, I got a shoulder injury swimming(swimming a mile+ non-stop freestyle a day was overdoing it a bit...). I then went to the gym and the coach at the gym suggested I lift weights that were way too heavy for me, as a consequence I injured my right arm and was off any exercise, that involved arms, for 6 months. So I took up cycling to work. Last year I was knocked off my bike, and injured, by a driver(Cambridge police are a bunch of numpties and I am not into suing people...) and have not been on the bike since. What I am getting at is that I am overweight however when I look at my history of injury and exercise it is actually quite understandable as to why I may be overweight together with my eating habits which suited someone who exercises a lot. So yes I could cut down on the amount I eat and am currently working out on an exercise bike - the point I want to make is from my own experience all obesity implies is just that the person is overweight, drawing conclusions about them being lazy etc is a little bit too simple... And I know that is not what you were doing, I just wanted to relate my own struggle with weight and how I went from being very lean to being overweight largely through injury :)
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
I was a bit overweight most of the time. I just started getting in really good shape, after a lot of hard work, when I had a back injury. It was devastating to me. I let it take over, and got really depressed. I stayed that way for several years and ended up being extremely fat. I don't know what combination of things triggered it, but I decided to start getting back in shape. I consulted a homeopath, and started walking. When I first started I could barely walk 3 miles per hour for 15 minutes. Now I am in pretty good shape. I still have some weight to lose overall, but it's worked well for me. I went on a calories in/ calories out diet and started doing some real training ( karate, MMA training gym, home excercise,etc.) I've been through it in my own way. I can relate.
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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/04/05/eeoc-texas-hospital-that-bars-obese-workers-not-necessarily-discriminatory[^] So the hospital wants staff to project a positive, professional image. This is wrong how? Oh, right, it infringes on ones right to be an obese slob and blame others for overeating and not exercising and complain about the cost of healthcare for treating the preventable diseases that come from being an inactive, overweight. And too answer some questions. No obesity is not a disease. There are diseases that cause weight gain but what causes obesity is eating the triple-decker burger, large fries and milkshake then laying on the double-wide sofa to watch TV rather than walking for a mile or two.
Failure is not an option; it's the default selection.
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Obesity is so prevalent because of the amount of sugar in EVERY product on most shelves, just take a look at how much sugar is in everything you will be surprised, it is actually quite hard to get away from all that sugar and still eat a normal diet.
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Yeah, all of his books are religious really (that I know of). I have most of them. I don't own the witch, but I've read parts of it.
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I only got his Satanic bible. It's all good up to the part where he starts about rituals and whatnot. I'm to sober for that stuff... I only read it because I used to listen to black metal a lot and all those guys are into satanism. Well, the ones that aren't gimmicking anyway :)
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I only got his Satanic bible. It's all good up to the part where he starts about rituals and whatnot. I'm to sober for that stuff... I only read it because I used to listen to black metal a lot and all those guys are into satanism. Well, the ones that aren't gimmicking anyway :)
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}Meh, you can take the ritual stuff either way. (IMO) the thing you should take away from the ritual stuff is just expelling that energy from yourself. Not necessarily to get any wicked voodoo magic results... It's sort of like prayer, or therapy. You got to get rid of that junk somehow. Lots of times, if you do it, it creates a sort of reflection. You get new ideas, (not necessarily related), consider the situation differently, or just don't want to pound the pudding out it/them, etc. I never took it to have literal magic effects (in the way most people consider magic). It's , in many ways, the same sorts of effects as actually listening to music (not just having it playing). It's a way to provide misdirection for your mind, so it can get out of your way to deal with the situation once and for all.
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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/04/05/eeoc-texas-hospital-that-bars-obese-workers-not-necessarily-discriminatory[^] So the hospital wants staff to project a positive, professional image. This is wrong how? Oh, right, it infringes on ones right to be an obese slob and blame others for overeating and not exercising and complain about the cost of healthcare for treating the preventable diseases that come from being an inactive, overweight. And too answer some questions. No obesity is not a disease. There are diseases that cause weight gain but what causes obesity is eating the triple-decker burger, large fries and milkshake then laying on the double-wide sofa to watch TV rather than walking for a mile or two.
Failure is not an option; it's the default selection.
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Meh, you can take the ritual stuff either way. (IMO) the thing you should take away from the ritual stuff is just expelling that energy from yourself. Not necessarily to get any wicked voodoo magic results... It's sort of like prayer, or therapy. You got to get rid of that junk somehow. Lots of times, if you do it, it creates a sort of reflection. You get new ideas, (not necessarily related), consider the situation differently, or just don't want to pound the pudding out it/them, etc. I never took it to have literal magic effects (in the way most people consider magic). It's , in many ways, the same sorts of effects as actually listening to music (not just having it playing). It's a way to provide misdirection for your mind, so it can get out of your way to deal with the situation once and for all.
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Actually I was all good with the book until Lavey started on the ritual stuff. It sounded to much like I *needed* to practice these rituals to call myself a satanist (which I didn't and don't). Create an altar, have a whaddayacallit from which you gain strength. Of course it should be emphasised many times that all this is only optional because you should do "what you will"... I'd much rather do something useful with my time ;) To bad almost half the book was about this kind of crap. Another thing that bothered me, or amused me actually, is that satanism is very much about the individual. But by placing so much emphasis on the 'being an individual' and 'doing what you want' it's almost as if they're doing what they want because others expect it from them! If I'd go to church every sunday and lived by the bible I'd still be able to call myself a satanist because doing that would be exactly what I want. Vice versa also seems true, trying so hard to be an individual is almost like sitting in church every sunday because it's expected of you. What's more, by calling individualism satanism you are actually a non-individual (belongen to the group that calls itself 'satanists' by being individual... I love the contradictions! In the end we're all just human and we got big by *not* being individual. We're all just doing what everyone else does and free will is a myth :) By the way, someone gave you a lot of downvotes for no appearent reason in this thread... They kind of stood out so I countered them (in case you're wondering where all the upvotes came from).
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